killer1257 3,282 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Makes sense if he a smart kid. If you are 28 or something then CL football might be the deal breaker. But at 21 it should be all about a long term project and development. Chelsea is the perfect place to come and be a part of a club back on the up with a great mix of experience and youth. CLÂ footy is a bonus.Depends how good you are. If you are Mbappe level, you need to go to a club that plays CL. If you are Havertz level and still inconsistent with your performances, non CL football with the right project would be fine too. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Pizy said: Makes sense if he a smart kid. If you are 28 or something then CL football might be the deal breaker. But at 21 it should be all about a long term project and development. Chelsea is the perfect place to come and be a part of a club back on the up with a great mix of experience and youth. CL footy is a bonus. Yep, the BBC article says pretty much exactly what I wrote a few pages back. For a young player it should be all about the club's ambition, their long-term vision and of course getting a nice big salary is welcomed too. Havertz can have all of that at Chelsea if he joins. Obviously an immediate trophy contender (Bayern, Real Madrid) can offer the same too with the added bonus of more chances of short-term success but as a downside the pressure is higher at those clubs too, not to mention there are better players competing for the same positions so there's also a higher chance of his development stalling if he doesn't hit it off immediately. But that's something for him to consider before making his move, if he's happy with Chelsea's project and the club can agree a deal with Leverkusen I'm sure he'd want to join with or without CL because those two clubs don't seem to be after him for a 2020 move. Werner was more than willing to join Lampard's project so why wouldn't his pal Havertz want to do the same? Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, killer1257 said: Depends how good you are. If you are Mbappe level, you need to go to a club that plays CL. If you are Havertz level and still inconsistent with your performances, non CL football with the right project would be fine too. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk  Do you not rate him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Do you not rate him? I rate him very highly, but Mbappe is another level.Havertz is an amazing talent and usually I do not go nuts over a German player apart from guys like Reus or Sane, but Havertz is the best German talent right now.I just said that for a guy like Havertz, who still is inconsistent with his performances, would benefit from a good project rather than just CL football. For instance, I am not 100% sure if Madrid would be the right fit for him right now, even though he would play CL football Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk ulsterchelsea and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 "The truth is that nothing is decided and nothing will be decided any time soon." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, killer1257 said: I rate him very highly, but Mbappe is another level. Havertz is an amazing talent and usually I do not go nuts over a German player apart from guys like Reus or Sane, but Havertz is the best German talent right now. I just said that for a guy like Havertz, who still is inconsistent with his performances, would benefit from a good project rather than just CL football. For instance, I am not 100% sure if Madrid would be the right fit for him right now, even though he would play CL football Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk  I've genuinely never watched him that's why I asked. Is he overly inconstant in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jason said: "The truth is that nothing is decided and nothing will be decided any time soon." So everything about us being in the front of the queue etc has been bullshit? ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 So everything about us being in the front of the queue etc has been bullshit? [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24]No because Lampard seems interested in him.But Honigstein says more or less that Havertz does not know where he will end up Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Pizy said: So everything about us being in the front of the queue etc has been bullshit? ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ The media said that only because other clubs supposedly can't afford him. Otherwise, have yet to see any genuine report that says we have actually put in a bid for him and/or that he wants to join us (being interested and wanting to join are two different things). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,939 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Bored of this Havertz saga already. Especially when we have bigger problems in defence and GK. I'm not even that fuseed if we don't get him for the price quoted. That being said, if we get him, I'll be 2 stepping around the house like Usher. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzy_Vance 454 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Why do I have a feeling he’s City bound? Especially after Pep’s comments.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Â Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXL70 396 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I think we need a top-class offensive midfielder - like Kai - that can score goals or breach the lines of the opponent or make something happen out of nothing. His link-up with Timo would be a fantastic motivational to him. Neither Kova, nor Jorginho nor Kante are scoring goals - or expectionally. RBC is more of an attacking profile, I would keep him in our squad. Kova is our best mid-fielder, he had a difficult first season with us, but is very consistent during that second season, and when not playing, we feel it. Kante is injured a lot, if we have to sell him it is now or never - if our medical staff believes he can reach again his top level again, I would definitely keep. Jorginho, I do not really see its added value: sell. Barkley is making his best but not enough talented for Chelsea and will never be: sell. Regarding defense: sell AC. We would need a world-class CB and LB. If they are aged, around 28-30 or so, it is not a concern to me: actually what we need in defense is experienced players who have already played CL etc and that we would get for moderate prices, not very young players with high potential, we already have these profiles, actually we can't wait to fix our defense. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,320 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 He probably wants to play for Bayer EL. So I do not expect anything till September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Money for Havertz... Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! NikkiCFC 8,320 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted July 15, 2020 If we miss out on Havertz go for Sancho and play Ziyech as AM. Johnnyeye, Massie, kellzfresh and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 According to Kicker, he chose Chelsea and we are willing to pay 100 mio Euros Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk    Johnnyeye and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: If we miss out on Havertz go for Sancho and play Ziyech as AM. the main problem is that Sancho is £30m or so more and there goes our LB killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 the main problem is that Sancho is £30m or so more and there goes our LB Sancho costs 120 mio Euros according to reliable German sources. Havertz costs 100 mio. Euros. So I guess he costs 10 to 15 Mio. pounds more.  Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Ziyech will have a better season than Sancho. We don't need him anymore. If Havertz doesn't happen invest that cash at the back or maybe even Oblak if that's remotely possible. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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