Sergio Reguilón

[Vesper 30,219]

1 minute ago, Puliiszola said:

Alonso made the TOTY playing as LWB, do undersrand the difference between a LWB and LB? What the roles entail? For someone giving away certifications on football knowledge, I would have thought that would be the bare minimum.

Yes, Milner is right footed and yes he is old, yet he did what the primary job was - defend. I watched him this season against Watford and against Everton (the draw after restart), and yes kimited, like azpi becomes when playing as LB, but saying he was poor has got to be a total and complete exageration which is not really unknown for someone like you. 

nice try

I listed LWB

your arguments are simply wrong and invalid

you do not know football very well, and you are extremely opinionated and combative with other posters

bad combo

[King Kante 1,643]

54 minutes ago, Vesper said:

this is madness

do you even realise that Milner is right footed, nearing 35, and was shit as a LB, was only forced to lay there as they literally had no other options

smdh

and you have the jacobs to ridicule and mock @King Kante??

lol

 

 

Do I need to? I think the poster in question is digging enough of a grave without any help. 

[Vesper 30,219]

2 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Do I need to? I think the poster in question is digging enough of a grave without any help. 

you are fine, you were just the latest one they were attacking and ridiculing

cheers

[Puliiszola 519]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

nice try

I listed LWB

your arguments are simply wrong and invalid

you do not know football very well, and you are extremely opinionated and combative with other posters

bad combo

You might as well list him as a ST, would make 0 sense when the whole argument is about alonso as a LB. Either read what is being written and said or simply don't post. 

Lol. Someone who can't admit they are wrong despite several people saying "no it's not a hand ball" (our first interaction) or when people explain how amortization works (bakayoko thread) is telling others regarding their football knowledge and giving away character certificates too now. Lol. But no thanks.

[Vesper 30,219]

Just now, Puliiszola said:

You might as well list him as a ST, would make 0 sense when the whole argument is about alonso as a LB. Either read what is being written and said or simply don't post. 

Lol. Someone who can't admit they are wrong despite several people saying "no it's not a hand ball" (our first interaction) or when people explain how amortization works (bakayoko thread) is telling others regarding their football knowledge and giving away character certificates too now. Lol. But no thanks.

I think Alonso is fine as a backup and 'change of pace' LB (now speaking solely of LB, not LWB)

Are there others who would be better? Yes, but we are probably not going to buy two LB's in the same window, especially as we will get shit money for either Emerson or Alonso due to the COVID-19 influenced market, and the fact we have other holes to fill in first

Maybe we do surprise and do buy 2, but I cannot hang my hat nor my hopes on that, and between the two (Emerson and Alonso) Alonso is clearly the better player, despite his limitations.

Emerson, other than a few, far too often widely-distanced games, has been a flop overall, same as most of the LB's we have purchased since Ash left

[Puliiszola 519]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think Alonso is fine as a backup and 'change of pace' LB (now speaking solely of LB, not LWB)

Are there others who would be better? Yes, but we are probably not going to buy two LB's in the same window, especially as we will get shit money for either Emerson or Alonso due to the COVID-19 influenced market, and the fact we have other holes to fill in first

Maybe we do surprise and do buy 2, but I cannot hang my hat nor my hopes on that, and between the two (Emerson and Alonso) Alonso is clearly the better player, despite his limitations.

Emerson, other than a few, far too often widely-distanced games, has been a flop overall, same as most of the LB's we have purchased since Ash left

Fair enough.

There is no doubt between alonso and emerson. 

My only disagreement would be with the first line. Like I said to Tomo, it seems most people on here rate alonso far more than I do. I think he is really poor, and very honestly speaking, would not get in many PL teams who are playing with a back 4. I will understand if he stays as a back up as we could not find a buyer, but hard to accept that FL and our board look at him and say "good enough". I mean in case of an injury to our first choice lB, I can bet azpi starts as many games as LB as alonso does or we just move to a back 3 again. That would be my prediction.

[Vesper 30,219]

Just now, Puliiszola said:

I think he is really poor, and very honestly speaking, would not get in many PL teams who are playing with a back 4. 

let's look at this

bold are ones he would most likely start at

it is hard to say on many becuase we do not know transfers in, so this is based off last year

bold red are the only ones he CLEARLY would not be the starter at regardless of formation

Arsenal   if Tierney was played as a LCB, Alonso would start as the LWB
Aston Villa   
Brighton & Hove Albion   
Burnley    
Chelsea   
Crystal Palace   
Everton   
Fulham   
Leeds United   
Leicester City   
Liverpool  
Manchester City  Pep hates his left backs, so much so that Cancelo was played out of position, but not sure if he could deal with Alonso's lack of pace 
Manchester United  hard to say, as Luke Shaw is shit, and Williams is playing of position (he is right footed)
Newcastle United 
Sheffield United   
Southampton    
Tottenham Hotspur   50/50, as Ben Davies is pretty shit, hard to say what Mou would think of Alonso
West Bromwich Albion   
West Ham United  
Wolverhampton Wanderers   they only play a 3 4 3 or 3 5 2 so he would deffo be in the mix as a LWB

12 teams (including us) for sure, as it stands, he would be the starter

plus 5 can be listed as who knows (I listed the reasons)

plus he would have been the starter on

Watford 
Bournemouth    
Norwich City    

so only 3 for sure (out of 23 total) where he almost never would be the starter, barring injury, 4 if Arsenal gets a left CB to replace Tierney, there, or if they play a back 4, as Tierney is a better LB than Alonso, Shitty is arguably the 5th, but Pep is too unpredictable and too unhappy with his current LB's to say 100%, the other 3 (Wolves, Spuds and Manure) are also too iffy to say 100%

15 out of 23 for sure we would and have, or will be be (if he was there) the starter, and it is somewhat possible that number is 18 or 19 or so

 

consider your point refuted
 

[Puliiszola 519]

52 minutes ago, Vesper said:

let's look at this

bold are ones he would most likely start at

it is hard to say on many becuase we do not know transfers in, so this is based off last year

bold red are the only ones he CLEARLY would not be the starter at regardless of formation

Arsenal   if Tierney was played as a LCB, Alonso would start as the LWB
Aston Villa   
Brighton & Hove Albion   
Burnley    
Chelsea   
Crystal Palace   
Everton   
Fulham   
Leeds United   
Leicester City   
Liverpool  
Manchester City  Pep hates his left backs, so much so that Cancelo was played out of position, but not sure if he could deal with Alonso's lack of pace 
Manchester United  hard to say, as Luke Shaw is shit, and Williams is playing of position (he is right footed)
Newcastle United 
Sheffield United   
Southampton    
Tottenham Hotspur   50/50, as Ben Davies is pretty shit, hard to say what Mou would think of Alonso
West Bromwich Albion   
West Ham United  
Wolverhampton Wanderers   they only play a 3 4 3 or 3 5 2 so he would deffo be in the mix as a LWB

12 teams (including us) for sure, as it stands, he would be the starter

plus 5 can be listed as who knows (I listed the reasons)

plus he would have been the starter on

Watford 
Bournemouth    
Norwich City    

so only 3 for sure (out of 23 total) where he almost never would be the starter, barring injury, 4 if Arsenal gets a left CB to replace Tierney, there, or if they play a back 4, as Tierney is a better LB than Alonso, Shitty is arguably the 5th, but Pep is too unpredictable and too unhappy with his current LB's to say 100%, the other 3 (Wolves, Spuds and Manure) are also too iffy to say 100%

15 out of 23 for sure we would and have, or will be be (if he was there) the starter, and it is somewhat possible that number is 18 or 19 or so

 

consider your point refuted
 

Lol. What is this based on? Why would alonso start as a LWB for arsenal ahead of Maitland niles?

Whu? He is a better than Creswell. Lol.

Soton - better than Bertrand - lol

Spurs - better than Davies and/or rose - lol. 

Wolves - better than Doherty? Lol

United - better than Williams or Shaw - lol.

City - better than Mendy? Lololol

Newcastle - Ritchie, solid option. As a LB, better than alonso

Shu - ahead of Stevens? Really?

Norwich - jamal Lewis - really talented and a better lb than alonso

Bournemouth - Rico, another decent option. No way an open and shut case.

Burnley - Pieters? Seriously? And that too in the Burnley system. Got to be shitting. 

Consider your point not even taken seriously.

That's like someone drawing up a list of strikers and baselessly claiming that michy is better than most and would start for majority of PL clubs.. 😂😂

Ps - even here, our own manager has 0 confidence playing him as LB and has recently started azpi in the position. So can't even say he is a starting LB at Chelsea lol 15/23

Anyways, let's just end this discussion here itself. It's simply a massive difference of opinion. For you alonso is a better LB than Cresswell and for me, that's unthinkable. Don't think any of us will be able to change the other's mind, so no point in more back and forths. Let's just agree to disagree 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[Jase 43,479]

13 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Spanish media - CHELSEA WANT REGUILON!

English media - CHELSEA WANT CHILWELL!

(the latter does seem more likely to happen...)

[Pulisicismydaddy 91]

We need this guy so much, Reguilon and Thiago for less than 30 mil would be incredible.

[Liuxas 125]

I'm so confused. So we are after reguilon or chilwell?  Because seems like we buying Chilwell by recent reports if they reliable of course. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Ideal scenario given we are probably signing chilwell anyway would be to get rid of Alonso and Emerson. Sign Regulion as Chilwells bakckup, allow for the buy back closeepxriing in 2021 and afterwards let Regulion play over Chilwell. Then sell Chilwell with a profit.

[Puliiszola 519]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Ideal scenario given we are probably signing chilwell anyway would be to get rid of Alonso and Emerson. Sign Regulion as Chilwells bakckup, allow for the buy back closeepxriing in 2021 and afterwards let Regulion play over Chilwell. Then sell Chilwell with a profit.

I think chilwell is a better all-round player. His defence is definitely way better than reguilon's. Both are the same age too. 

I would definitely flip alonso for reguilon and let RM have a buyback clause for a couple of years. And then flip reguilon for a profit. Think chilwell has a higher ceiling if the first half of the season is anything to go by.

[Liuxas 125]

Just saw the match. He was absolute beast good in defence,  good in attack. Just why why we bought Chilwell instead of him. He's next big thing in World football. And only 25mil. 

[Rekin 835]

2 hours ago, Liuxas said:

Just saw the match. He was absolute beast good in defence,  good in attack. Just why why we bought Chilwell instead of him. He's next big thing in World football. And only 25mil. 

I saw the game too and in no way thought he was a beast in any aspect. Not to say that he was poor, but there were in my opinion few occasions on either end of the pitch were he did anything of note. A typical 7/10 performance as he worked hard, had enough positional awareness to not be a liability and caused no goal for the other team through any errors. 

[Jype 6,398]

51 minutes ago, Rekin said:

I saw the game too and in no way thought he was a beast in any aspect. Not to say that he was poor, but there were in my opinion few occasions on either end of the pitch were he did anything of note. A typical 7/10 performance as he worked hard, had enough positional awareness to not be a liability and caused no goal for the other team through any errors. 

Didn't you hear, Reguilon is the new flavor of the month and he can do no wrong? He probably shits diamonds too.

Some people seem to have set their minds to the narrative that Chillwell is shit and Reguilon is the new Roberto Carlos so they focus on all the positive things Reguilon does and with Chillwell only look at the negatives.

I'm not saying Reguilon isn't good, possibly even a little better than Chillwell, but it's just funny that only a few months ago very few people would have taken Reguilon ahead of Chillwell but now everyone is jumping in on the bandwagon.

Neither Chillwell nor Reguilon are 'beasts' or world class players. They're both good left-backs with a lot of potential to improve further but neither is a finished product yet.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 hours ago, Jype said:

Didn't you hear, Reguilon is the new flavor of the month and he can do no wrong? He probably shits diamonds too.

Some people seem to have set their minds to the narrative that Chillwell is shit and Reguilon is the new Roberto Carlos so they focus on all the positive things Reguilon does and with Chillwell only look at the negatives.

I'm not saying Reguilon isn't good, possibly even a little better than Chillwell, but it's just funny that only a few months ago very few people would have taken Reguilon ahead of Chillwell but now everyone is jumping in on the bandwagon.

Neither Chillwell nor Reguilon are 'beasts' or world class players. They're both good left-backs with a lot of potential to improve further but neither is a finished product yet.

Exactly. Similar players both flavor of the month. the main difference is the price tag and to some extend it is annoying Chilwell is injured. 
those 50m will be a massive chip on Chilwells shoulder while Regu would fly a bit under the Radar for the bargain he is. Would probably also command lower wages. 
Chilwell has the Baba Rahman vibe and we know leftback does not solve itself by throwing money at it. So of we are to throw money let it be not that much so it crippled our room for planing the future. 

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Didn't you hear, Reguilon is the new flavor of the month and he can do no wrong? He probably shits diamonds too.
Some people seem to have set their minds to the narrative that Chillwell is shit and Reguilon is the new Roberto Carlos so they focus on all the positive things Reguilon does and with Chillwell only look at the negatives.
I'm not saying Reguilon isn't good, possibly even a little better than Chillwell, but it's just funny that only a few months ago very few people would have taken Reguilon ahead of Chillwell but now everyone is jumping in on the bandwagon.
Neither Chillwell nor Reguilon are 'beasts' or world class players. They're both good left-backs with a lot of potential to improve further but neither is a finished product yet.

Couldn’t say it better myself. From pretty much unknown two weeks ago and now apparently according to some “experts” he is the third best LB just behind Davies and Robertson [emoji1787] And the best part is Madrid is selling him for a bag of peanuts, what a fantasy world.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

What people dont get? The issue with Chiwell was never that he isnt good or that Reguilon is suddenly better etc.

The issue with Chilwell is his price. He is never ever 50-70m player because then he would not only have to improve but improve to be best fullback in the world. And thats unlikely. Not to mention, money saved from Chilwell fee could be used for CB or GK. 

There are several alternatives like Telles, Tagliafico or Reguilon. Each would cost around 30m.

Even in the crazy crazy world of football and money, only Mendy and the other Mendy cost 40m+ when it comes to fullbacks. 

Now its corona time when every player is a bit cheaper. We will have to sell Emerson, Bats, Baka, Kepa, Alonso, Jorginho etc for even less than usual because corona.

And then comes Leicester demanding 50m for Chilwell in todays climate.

Bottom line, Chilwell is good, maybe even very good LB. Maybe better than Reguilon or Tagliafico. Maybe. But he isnt worth 50m upwards. If he was actualy super talented ala Davies or if he was the only option, but there are alternatives. 

And thats what bothers many people. Because you can get Tagliafico and realy good GK. Or just Chilwell. And what if he flops? Who will pay that for him? Just another player ala Bakayoko we cant get rid off. Reguilon or Tagliafico is easly reselable because they excelled in european football too.

Marina did some great work, but lets not forget 40m Drinkwater, 40m Bakayoko, 40m Batshuayi, 70m Kepa, 70m Morata, 25m Zappacosta etc...