Sergio Reguilón

[Valdo 583]

They can have Alonso + 5/10mil. And no buyback clause.

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[Jase 43,479]

Just wondering, has anyone here actually watched Reguilon week in week out, throughout the season and not just the last few Sevilla games before his name was suddenly mentioned, to know his strengths and weaknesses? I haven't seen enough of him to know those myself but judging by the reaction on here and elsewhere, you would think he's the second coming of Roberto Carlos or something. Everything is focused only on the positives with Reguilon and then with someone like Chilwell, everything is focused only on the negatives. 

[Puliiszola 519]

41 minutes ago, Jason said:

Just wondering, has anyone here actually watched Reguilon week in week out, throughout the season and not just the last few Sevilla games before his name was suddenly mentioned, to know his strengths and weaknesses? I haven't seen enough of him to know those myself but judging by the reaction on here and elsewhere, you would think he's the second coming of Roberto Carlos or something. Everything is focused only on the positives with Reguilon and then with someone like Chilwell, everything is focused only on the negatives. 

Watched him a number of times before this season. And even in RM, I think he started the ajax game.

Don't think he is great defensively or even very good. He is great in offense though. 

But given the figures being quoted (25m€) it's a no brainer. A massive upgrade on our LB position. 

Is he better than chilwell, maybe. I think chilwell is better defensively, and reguilon is better in attack. 

Also, I feel he is bigged up because of the fee, while chilwell is brought down because of the same thing. If the fees were reverswd, I am pretty sure, the opinions would be reversed too, or atleast mine surely would.

[Jase 43,479]

37 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Watched him a number of times before this season. And even in RM, I think he started the ajax game.

Don't think he is great defensively or even very good. He is great in offense though. 

But given the figures being quoted (25m€) it's a no brainer. A massive upgrade on our LB position. 

Is he better than chilwell, maybe. I think chilwell is better defensively, and reguilon is better in attack. 

Also, I feel he is bigged up because of the fee, while chilwell is brought down because of the same thing. If the fees were reverswd, I am pretty sure, the opinions would be reversed too, or atleast mine surely would.

If we are strictly talking about the fee, then for sure. Going for Reguilon makes more sense all day long.

But based on what you said there, do we want another defender who is not good defensively when we seemingly already have so many of them? 

Plus and am just throwing this out here, can Reguilon handle the physicality and intensity of the Premier League? Maybe the club aren't convinced about it? I know some said he handled it well against Wan-Bissaka yesterday but that was only a game and it's different to do it in an one-off game and 38-50 domestic games. Also given we are seemingly going to change half of the squad this summer, it might be wise to get someone who already knows the league at the very least rather than have another player to settle in and all that.

And if Real Madrid insist on having the buy-back clause, then the Reguilon deal is off the table. 

[killer1257 3,282]

If we are strictly talking about the fee, then for sure. Going for Reguilon makes more sense all day long.
But based on what you said there, do we want another defender who is not good defensively when we seemingly already have so many of them? 
Plus and am just throwing this out here, can Reguilon handle the physicality and intensity of the Premier League? Maybe the club aren't convinced about it? I know some said he handled it well against Wan-Bissaka yesterday but that was only a game and it's different to do it in an one-off game and 38-50 domestic games. Also given we are seemingly going to change half of the squad this summer, it might be wise to get someone who already knows the league at the very least rather than have another player to settle in and all that.
And if Real Madrid insist on having the buy-back clause, then the Reguilon deal is off the table. 

Why should Reguilon not handle PL when he destroyed Bissaka, one of the best and most physical tacklers in PL? Also, Greenwood, one of the most efficient PL RW, did not do that much. Most of Uniteds attack came from left or the middle apart from that one shot from Fred. Lampard and his scout Ashley Cole just love English players too much, so that is why we will not go for a pressing machine like Reguilon. His defending style is so modern because he starts pressing higher up. Really like his profile overall.

By the way, there is not one available target that is good at defending. Tagliafico has his flaws, Telles is not good at defending most of the times, Gosens is from what I have seen bad at defending too, Chilwell is also bad. So, all the available LB targets are no Ashley Coles at defending. So we should get the overall best and from what I see it should be Reguilon. Costs the least, played good quality opponents in La Liga and also showed that physical opponents are not a problem for him.

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[King Kante 1,643]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Just wondering, has anyone here actually watched Reguilon week in week out, throughout the season and not just the last few Sevilla games before his name was suddenly mentioned, to know his strengths and weaknesses? I haven't seen enough of him to know those myself but judging by the reaction on here and elsewhere, you would think he's the second coming of Roberto Carlos or something. Everything is focused only on the positives with Reguilon and then with someone like Chilwell, everything is focused only on the negatives. 

Jason I think it is quite clear that on here a lot of people just watch YouTube clips and look at stats. That is not necessarily an issue, but as you indicate it is not a great way of evaluating a player as you cannot evaluate the whole player as you do not know a variety of variables such as mentality, physicality, ability to play against top teams, ability to play in the clutch (as the American's like to say) etc. 

That said, he did get rated best LB in La Liga so he must've done something right. Also as he does play in La Liga it is more likely people may have seen him play a lot rather than some of the others touted such as Cakir and Rajkovic (not saying they are not good players, just saying it seems doubtful people have seen enough full 90 min games from them.) 

For me, Telles is the one I want as I have seen a fair bit of him at Inter (were I saw potential) and then via Porto in the Ropey League. For me, Telles isn't the greatest defender (but a lot of LB's these days aren't. Robinson for instance is great going forward and getting up and down but just good at defending and he is pretty much rated as the best LB in the world.) Also, he is available for £20m'ish and is currently only on €40k a week, so he wouldn't break the bank. 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Why should Reguilon not handle PL when he destroyed Bissaka, one of the best and most physical tacklers in PL? Also, Greenwood, one of the most efficient PL RW, did not do that much. Most of Uniteds attack came from left or the middle apart from that one shot from Fred. Lampard and his scout Ashley Cole just love English players too much, so that is why we will not go for a pressing machine like Reguilon. His defending style is so modern because he starts pressing higher up. Really like his profile overall.

By the way, there is not one available target that is good at defending. Tagliafico has his flaws, Telles is not good at defending most of the times, Gosens is from what I have seen bad at defending too, Chilwell is also bad. So, all the available LB targets are no Ashley Coles at defending. So we should get the overall best and from what I see it should be Reguilon. Costs the least, played good quality opponents in La Liga and also showed that physical opponents are not a problem for him.

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This is exactly why I posted this earlier...

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Just wondering, has anyone here actually watched Reguilon week in week out, throughout the season and not just the last few Sevilla games before his name was suddenly mentioned, to know his strengths and weaknesses? I haven't seen enough of him to know those myself but judging by the reaction on here and elsewhere, you would think he's the second coming of Roberto Carlos or something. Everything is focused only on the positives with Reguilon and then with someone like Chilwell, everything is focused only on the negatives. 

Have you seen Reguilon play week in week out before we were linked with him? Or did you only watch him recently, like most other people?

Of course, United did not make much of an impact down their right side. Greenwood, as well as he has done, is not exactly an out-and-out winger and he is only 18 years old, who isn't consistent yet. Wan-Bissaka is also hardly an attacking right back or is rather poor at going forward.

And again, doing well in an one-off game against United is one thing but to do it over the course of 38-50 domestic games is another. Scouts, managers etc do not base players off 1-2 games.

On top all of this, what if we decide against pursuing Reguilon because of the buy-back clause that Real Madrid reportedly want to have in the contract?

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, King Kante said:

That said, he did get rated best LB in La Liga so he must've done something right. Also as he does play in La Liga it is more likely people may have seen him play a lot rather than some of the others touted such as Cakir and Rajkovic (not saying they are not good players, just saying it seems doubtful people have seen enough full 90 min games from them.) 

He may play in La Liga but he plays for Sevilla. Unless they are playing one of the notable sides in the league, people may not watch Sevilla at all. 

[King Kante 1,643]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

He may play in La Liga but he plays for Sevilla. Unless they are playing one of the notable sides in the league, people may not watch Sevilla at all. 

Of course. I thought I had indicated that with the first part of the post. I added this caveat as playing for Sevilla means it is more likely he has been watched than a bloke from a mid-low table French team or a block from the Turkish league. 

For me, I only really believe people have seen enough of a player if they are; a) playing for a PL side, b ) playing for a top 10 German side (as the Bundesliga has start to pick up popularity in the UK and we seem to have quite a few decent German posters) c) playing for one of the elite European sides outside of those leagues i.e. Milan, Inter, Real, Barca, Juve, PSG. D) Playing for a big domestic European side that play in the CL/Ropey League a lot i.e. Benfica, Porto, Napoli, Ajax, Sevilla etc. This last category is where it starts to become less likely. 

Outside of those categories, I am pretty sure it is highlights/youtube clups/stats as the amount of football you would have to watch otherwise is insane. I for instance will usually watch around 4-6 PL games on any match week, a big domestic fixture from one of the German/Spanish/Italian leagues (if there is one that weekend) and then 1-2 matches from each day of the CL/Ropey League when possible (a 5:30 ko then a 20:00 ko). However, even though I watch that amount of football, I cannot vouch for half the players that get touted on here and struggle to see how people have more time to watch even more football than I do. 

[Jype 6,398]

Why's everyone acting like he had a great game yesterday? Was I watching a completely different match or did they not concede a ton of great chances only for United to fuck them up?

That assist for Sevilla's first goal was nice but other than that he was not really all that good.

Would still take him at €25M ahead of Chillwell at £60M if there was no buy-back included but let's not go over the top with the praise.

[Simon1991 233]

@Jason to add to your question. I have read his thread on a Sevilla forum, and basically they all valued the bloke to some extent.

The main takeaways were that he had great potential, great energy down the flank, but not a world beater neither offensively nor defensively at this point in time. Very interestingly, most of them did not want the club to spend 20M on him. 

I also think we need to bring a bit of context when looking at this. Their top transfer was 25M with Rony Lopes, so they are obviously looking at 20M in a different light than we would.

But in purely footballing terms, most of them agreed he is a good footballer.

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

@Jason to add to your question. I have read his thread on a Sevilla forum, and basically they all valued the bloke to some extent.

The main takeaways were that he had great potential, great energy down the flank, but not a world beater neither offensively nor defensively at this point in time. Very interestingly, most of them did not want the club to spend 20M on him. 

I also think we need to bring a bit of context when looking at this. Their top transfer was 25M with Rony Lopes, so they are obviously looking at 20M in a different light than we would.

But in purely footballing terms, most of them agreed he is a good footballer.

Thanks, but I still will stick with a proven Premier English player. 

I have no doubt we will get at least 5 good years from Chilwell.