mccg 1,528 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Overall i think its fair to say that it will be good when we get a Mikel upgrade! Vybz Kartel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 People call him a loyal servant not because he's stayed a long period, they call him loyal because throughout his time here he always did his best for the team and always acted professionally, helping when asked to and never complaining or acting in a selfish manner. And even when that term is used as one of the reasons to keep him, it's not meant that the club owes him anything, at least not to me; it is used in a sense that we know the level of professionalism and dedication we can expect from him. Also, Mikel and Ramires are NOT the reasons why Matic and Fabregas were never rested. They were rarely rested because because Jose Mourinho does not believe in rotation. In fact, Ramires and Mikel were still our most used squad players along with Zouma despite all the minutes that Matic and Fabregas still played. You're killing me, Choulo. Mikel and Ramires. Flawed, such flawed individuals. Just saying their names sounds like I'm mentioning a bad TV sitcom.Question marks over whether Matic and Fabregas are good enough to start for Chelsea? Question marks over whether Mikel and Ramires are good enough to be back-ups? Sigh. I know what my answer is. Midfield is dead. Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You're killing me, Choulo. Mikel and Ramires. Flawed, such flawed individuals. Just saying their names sounds like I'm mentioning a bad TV sitcom.Question marks over whether Matic and Fabregas are good enough to start for Chelsea? Question marks over whether Mikel and Ramires are good enough to be back-ups? Sigh. I know what my answer is. Midfield is dead.Not really the points you originally made and I tried to refute, but anyway...Yes, Ramires(technical ability) and Mikel(dynamism) are deeply flawed and so are Matic(consistency) and Fabregas(physical abilities). For me, Fabregas should not be starting for any top team, while Matic is certainly good enough to start and Mikel and Ramires good enough to be backups, though you can definitely have better options than all three of them. I just don't think that that is a pressing priority considering all the other more critical deficiencies we have in team at the moment (including replacing Fabregas himself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You're killing me, Choulo. Mikel and Ramires. Flawed, such flawed individuals. Just saying their names sounds like I'm mentioning a bad TV sitcom.Question marks over whether Matic and Fabregas are good enough to start for Chelsea? Question marks over whether Mikel and Ramires are good enough to be back-ups? Sigh. I know what my answer is. Midfield is dead.Only one of these players played at the highest level for long stretches of time (for us and previous club) and yet he gets put in the same bucket as others who have never showed and consistency at same high level in their entire careers. * not my opinion only: go back to winning season and check ratings/stats pundits.I know which players will turn good again once we get the teamwork is back... the ones who were good once. DYC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Not really the points you originally made and I tried to refute, but anyway...Yes, Ramires(technical ability) and Mikel(dynamism) are deeply flawed and so are Matic(consistency) and Fabregas(physical abilities).For me, Fabregas should not be starting for any top team, while Matic is certainly good enough to start and Mikel and Ramires good enough to be backups, though you can definitely have better options than all three of them. I just don't think that that is a pressing priority considering all the other more critical deficiencies we have in team at the moment (including replacing Fabregas himself).You mentioned Mourinho not willing to rotate but I thought he rotated (a lot) more in his Inter and Real Madrid days. But that's not even important, my post wasn't about rotation. My post was about the lack of quality of Mikel (and Ramires) and what they offer to the team. Maybe I should've made that more clear. I know how you feel about Mikel so any discussion about him would be useless.That last part of my post was an extension of sorts. You made think of Chelsea's midfield. I can be all over the place. It's your own fault for quoting me.You think you could convince Juve to switch midfields with Chelsea? They've been weakened after the summer but I'd still prefer that bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Only one of these players played at the highest level for long stretches of time (for us and previous club) and yet he gets put in the same bucket as others who have never showed and consistency at same high level in their entire careers. * not my opinion only: go back to winning season and check ratings/stats pundits.I know which players will turn good again once we get the teamwork is back... the ones who were good once.Fair enough on Matic. I'm not his biggest fan at the moment so I'm probably being harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Every time a new manager comes in he seems to get a new lease of life it's so frustrating that this cycle will never end. Regardless of him being a long time servant his simply not good enough for what we aim to achieve at the club. That's why Matic has arguably dropped in form because there was no real competition for him  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,723 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah he does good for like a game or two before going back to being mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The only three certain things in life: 1.Death 2.Taxes 3.Mikel Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! DYC. 7,542 Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted January 3, 2016 I called you average. I questioned your role in the team. Well, I said you need to go. You must've read my posts. Unrecognisable for me. He rocked it today. Shaan, kellzfresh, Stats and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 minute ago, DYC. said: I called you average. I questioned your role in the team. Well, I said you have to need to go. You must've read my posts. Unrecognisable for me. He rocked it today. Fair play to you for having the balls to say that. I'll join you. Never disliked Mikel but not his biggest fan, yet he put in an outstanding performance today. Please keep it up. LDN Blue, Blue-in-me-Veins and Fulham Broadway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,722 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Superb today, probably his best game since Munich BlueLion. and Ossie the King 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Ossie the King said: Fair play to you for having the balls to say that. I'll join you. Never disliked Mikel but not his biggest fan, yet he put in an outstanding performance today. Please keep it up. I have nothing against Mikel. Not the slightest bit. But I don't like his football at all. Think he's regressed from what he used to be years back. He does too little for me. But today he was fantastic. Big move from Hiddink too. But it worked out brilliantly. Ossie the King and LDN Blue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 *applause for Mikel* *scattered applause for Mikel's backers* LDN Blue, Ossie the King and The Skipper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidur the Spider 4,515 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Outstanding play today, was phenomenal. Gets so much stick but in games like today he's invaluable. Really happy for the guy! Ossie the King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be hugely disappointed if Mikel didn't start the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Easily the most enjoyable part of today's game. Was great to see a player who could actually play football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 "He's won more than you! He's won more than youuuuuu! John Obi Mikel, he's won more than you! " Couldn't stop laughing  Great performance today. kellzfresh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y10edn 185 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Mikel: Chelsea 1st signing in January 2016 transfer window had a wonderful debut today against Crystal Palace in a 3-0 away win, we wish our new signing a brilliant season in Chelsea. Old boy Matic would have to raise his game to get back into the team. CHOULO19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,227 Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted January 3, 2016 I hope this performance makes his critics realise how useful of a squad player he is. He does his job. He is not going to play consistently world class but for a player who knows he is a back up role and comes in and performs like that, we should appreciate that. He proves that he can do a role in Matic absence and hopefully that performance assures people he will be fine in place of Matic for PSG. Great game and great valuable player. Why people think we should ship him. I never know. Anyway, today he showed the quality he has. Simply brilliant. Kieran., Beigl, Essien19 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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