Super Frank Thread

[killer1257 3,282]

Next 6 games before the November international break:
Sevilla (h)
Man United (a)
Krasnodar (a)
Burnley (a)
Rennes (h)
Sheffield United (h)
How many wins from those games...?

Depends how many games Mendy will play [emoji23]

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Just now, killer1257 said:

Steve Holland said in an interview that one reason for Chelsea's success under Conte in the first season was that no other team could deal with a 3-4-3 because it is not used in England and other coaches had no clue how to beat us. After one season, when teams analyzed it to pieces, they found a way to beat us and beat us more often.

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Yeah plus all kinds of shit going on behind the scenes that didnt help. But that season under Conte was sublime, so good that everyone copied us.

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Nobody associated with Chelsea wants to see Lampard fail at the club but at the moment and based on what we've seen so far, it feels like Lampard is just another of those typical English or British managers we've seen over the years - someone who is a good communicator and/or man manager but not very good when it comes to the tactical side of the game and/or coaching. 

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13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Nobody associated with Chelsea wants to see Lampard fail at the club but at the moment and based on what we've seen so far, it feels like Lampard is just another of those typical English or British managers we've seen over the years - someone who is a good communicator and/or man manager but not very good when it comes to the tactical side of the game and/or coaching. 

I'd agree there's some concerns tactically but he's done quite well developing players on an individual basis.

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32 minutes ago, Jason said:

And we went on to concede only 39 league goals that season under Sarri, which is 15 less than last season despite the heaviest loss being 4-0. 

there are some people twisting themselves into pretzels to deny reality

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I'd agree there's some concerns tactically but he's done quite well developing players on an individual basis.

If the individual in your mind is Pulisic, don't...it doesn't really count when it's only one player. 

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

If the individual in your mind is Pulisic, don't...it doesn't really count when it's only one player. 

Tomori looked like he was finding his level as a Championship player pre Frank. 

Tammy's all round game developed a lot last season.

Kova and Willian had the best season's of their careers.

Early signs are Chilwell is going up a level under his management although too early to make a definitive judgement.

Mount depends on what your preference is, he's turned him into a better all rounder but he has lost a lot of the creativity he had at Vitese/youth level.

And finally, as you say, Pulisic, his talent has always been obvious but at Dortmund and his first couple of months with us he was widely inconsistent and would often totally ghost games. Lampard has not only got a level of consistentcy out of him that we will thought would take atleast a season minimum, but has got him to a Hazard level which was beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

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No one can defend at the moment. 

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Tomori looked like he was finding his level as a Championship player pre Frank. 

And yet, he can't get into the starting XI ahead of Christensen.

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Tammy's all round game developed a lot last season.

But is he really developed enough to succeed at the highest level?

And also, great confidence shown by Lampard to go out and buy another striker...

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Kova and Willian had the best season's of their careers.

That is highly debatable. Kovacic was in and out of the team and Willian was consistently inconsistent.

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Mount depends on what your preference is, he's turned him into a better all rounder but he has lost a lot of the creativity he had at Vitese/youth level.

Better all rounder but at what cost? What even is Mount's best position now? What is Mount really good at apart from his workrate?

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

If the individual in your mind is Pulisic, don't...it doesn't really count when it's only one player. 

Reece James and Zouma have also improved during is reign. lampard basically made Mount, Tomori and Tammy even tho both are still average. I woudl say he has improved BArkley and Kovacic played the best season of his career last season.

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

And yet, he can't get into the starting XI ahead of Christensen.

Still beats the Piazon esque career in the loan army he was destined for.

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

But is he really developed enough to succeed at the highest level?

And also, great confidence shown by Lampard to go out and buy another striker...

Not really as straight forward as that, United chased Sancho all summer but that doesn't mean they have no faith in Greenwood.

Tammy looks like he can at the very least be a good option for a squad at PL level, which again is more than was looking likely before, he was pretty pants at Swansea so much so he had to take another drop down a level.

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

That is highly debatable. Kovacic was in and out of the team and Willian was consistently inconsistent.

But got more top performances out of him than any of his predecessors.

And what season has Kova had better than last on the individual level? The only debatable one would be his last season at Inter.

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12 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Reece James and Zouma have also improved during is reign. lampard basically made Mount, Tomori and Tammy even tho both are still average. I woudl say he has improved BArkley and Kovacic played the best season of his career last season.

Zouma is dross

we keep rolling with him as a regular CB over the coming years we are not going to win shit

he is absolutely dreadful with the ball