Super Frank Thread

[whats happening 1,612]

what about luis enrique. surely he can do two jobs at once.

[killer1257 3,282]

what about luis enrique. surely he can do two jobs at once.

Omg, not that guy.

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[ZaynChelsea 423]

Read in some newspapers, Rüdiger wanted to leave because Lamps pissed him off big time. Today he fields him again. This P.E. teacher in the dugout is fking clueless.

[killer1257 3,282]

The English journalists probably wouldn't dare to write anything against Lampard but I would really, REALLY like to know whether the players still believe in whatever Lampard is trying to do. Because what we're seeing now is just not good enough and Lampard's style of play is becoming really predictable and dull. Is this Sam Allardyce-esque football what he told to Werner, Havertz, Ziyech etc when he convinced them to join us? We spent over 100 million on those 3 and Lampard doesn't seem to have a clue on how to get the best out of them, especially the German lads. We used to see stories from the media about the players being unhappy with the manager about this and that during a bad run but is there really nothing right now? Even if this group of players don't have big egos, I don't believe for one second they would just be passive, be yes men and not at least question whatever the hell Lampard is doing right now. If this is really a 3-year plan to get us back to challenging for the league title and the Champions League, then it feels like we're far behind schedule. 

Maybe some players actually take credit for their bad performances. I mean, it is not like Lampard says to them "hey, just put 30 crosses per game and when you don't cross, just do sideway passes until you can cross it again without any variation of the cross".

We have been through these periods many times. It is not the only time we lack creativity. Sarri Ball was boring as hell, Conte had his moments but second season was horrible and in Mou's second season, first half was very good but then we collapsed and Hazard alone won us the title in the end. But I remember those horrible Mou performances during second part of the season. Is it always the coachs fault?
Mou definitely was fault in the third season when he did not see the obvious that Ivanovic was finished as a player at a top club. Conte came and benched him for good. Mou deserved the sack because he had his favourites, but I think Chelsea still should have done better because back then we had a much better midfield compared to now. Also, Hazard is much better than Pulisic and Costa better than our strikers.

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[Milan 17,955]

On 4. 12. 2020 at 11:35 PM, Jason said:

Just realized that Lampard is already halfway through his 3-year contract with the club. Am assuming any contract extension discussion will begin in the coming months (assuming things continue on the right track).

Ouch.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Maybe some players actually take credit for their bad performances.

Am sure players took responsibilities in the past as well but there were still always stories about players being unhappy with the manager about something during a bad run. Obviously it's not a good look but if we're sitting here questioning Lampard on all sort of things, then imagine the players and whoever else who are working with Lampard on a daily basis and what they think. I mean, imagine the company you work executing a certain business approach but then things aren't working so well, the company is achieving bad results, would you at least be questioning whether things are being done right etc?

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I mean, it is not like Lampard says to them "hey, just put 30 crosses per game and when you don't cross, just do sideway passes until you can cross it again without any variation of the cross".

lol Not even going to go deep into this. What we're seeing out there is clearly whatever Lampard has been working with the players. He's the one training the players and the players are the ones executing whatever that is asked of them. If the players aren't doing things right, then it's Lampard's job to set them straight and guide them. But he isn't. You're lying if you don't think our football now is just all about spamming crosses. 

[Tomo 21,751]

The most damming thing of all is things look broken structurally. The reason I defended him last season is because it was obvious to anyone with eyes and (even basic) knowledge of underlying metrics that the defense would improve once we got better players in and it has. However the current problem's with our attacking play are so alarming I genuinely don't think a prime Pele would sort us out.

This month has been a huge fall from grace, not quite unprecedented but we've gone from Lampard finally looking like he was cracking the consistency issues to looking totally lost, and whenever that type of "snap" happens it usually only ends one way unfortunately.

[ZaynChelsea 423]

I‘d still like to introduce the name Hasenhüttl again. He is a great coach, one of the best in the PL imo and he has a proven track record of developing youngsters

[Jase 43,479]

21 minutes ago, Milan said:

Ouch.

Results since Lampard said he wants to extend his contract...

W 3-1 Leeds
D 1-1 Krasnodar
L 0-1 Everton
L 1-2 Wolves
W 3-0 West Ham
L 1-3 Arsenal
D 1-1 Aston Villa

[killer1257 3,282]

lol Not even going to go deep into this. What we're seeing out there is clearly whatever Lampard has been working with the players. He's the one training the players and the players are the ones executing whatever that is asked of them. If the players aren't doing things right, then it's Lampard's job to set them straight and guide them. But he isn't. You're lying if you don't think our football now is just all about spamming crosses. 

I was just thinking. We used to have Cesc, Matic and Oscar. In my opinion, Oscar was a low level player that I actually scouted for a while before he came to us because I read that he was a Brazilian Modric. I was a huge fan of Spurs Modric and knew he was the real deal. So I watched him and came to the conclusion that Oscar was nothing like Modric and he was garbage [emoji23]. So, I really think Oscar was a poor player that could press and shoot well and nothing more. Nothing special to me, especially because I wanted a Modric [emoji24]. I would say that Mount is worse than Oscar. Stats probably say the same.

Cesc is a one of a kind and all time PL legend. In my opinion, he has more creativity and passing technique than kante, Mount, Kovacic and Kai combined. This is how much I rated Cesc.

Matic had his flaws, but was great overall. Kante is much better though.

Overall, a midfield out of matic cesc and oscar had more balance than our current midfield. It actually had everything. Size, world class passing abilities because of Cesc and a goalscorer in Oscar, even though he was a bad player.
Even they had periods when Cesc did not perform well and played bad under Mou and under Conte(cesc and Matic together because Conte sold Oscar because he saw the light). Our current midfield does not have either size and does definitely not have the same technique and creativity than our old midfield.

This might be a mixture between lack of individual quality and bad coaching or just lack of individual quality. We played garbage under Mou, Conte and Sarri. But I remember teams like prime Barcelona changed managers frequently and still won titles because of their individual quality, regardless how shit the coaches were. When Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez etc regressed, Barcelona was over. Individual quality matters a lot. You will not make an average team turn into prime Barcelona. Not going to happen, regardless who the coach is.



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[killer1257 3,282]

I‘d still like to introduce the name Hasenhüttl again. He is a great coach, one of the best in the PL imo and he has a proven track record of developing youngsters

I think he might be my favorite right now. Also PL proven

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[Tomo 21,751]

Would prefer him to Pochettino 100/100.