Super Frank Thread

[Johnnyeye 7,501]

I love Lamps as a player and person, he's a legend, always will be, but i think this job is too much for him to handle, no disrespect.

[killer1257 3,282]

What obvious writing.
Naturally if we were to lose our next 2 games, one assumes Lampard's neck would really be on the chopping block then but I would rather believe an English source rather than a German source when it comes to that.
People have been widely talking about potential replacements but the funny thing is we haven't heard a single thing about Lampard getting the sack (yet), certainly not from the English media. If we go back to winning ways today and beat City for example, then Lampard will definitely be nowhere near getting the sack and all the talk will be moot. 

I just made a quick research. Apparently, Tuchel and Leonardo didn't like each other because Tuchel said in interviews that he needs more transfers and Leonardo did not like that.
Based on their current injuries, they might have needed a new left back. But their midfield and offense is still crazy.
We have a far worse midfield and offense than PSG on paper. He will probably ask for better players here too.

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[11Drogba 2,000]

PSG lost against Monaco, Lyon, Lens and Marseille this season. 4 losses and 2 draws in 17 games in Ligue 1.

I watched most of their games and they are so boring like sarriball.  Center back gives the ball to left back, left back gives the ball back to the same center back, the center back gives the ball to left back, then they repeat this betwen center backs or with right back. Tuchel is one of the most overrated managers.

[killer1257 3,282]

 

 

 

PSG lost against Monaco, Lyon, Lens and Marseille this season. 4 losses and 2 draws in 17 games in Ligue 1.

I watched most of their games and they are so boring like sarriball.  Center back gives the ball to left back, left back gives the ball back to the same center back, the center back gives the ball to left back, then they repeat this betwen center backs or with right back. Tuchel is one of the most overrated managers.

 

I agree. He is very overrated. His team has so many great offensive players and guys like verratti and Herrera are much better than Mount/Kova/Kante from an offensive point of view and they still play like shit. Without Mbappe, Di Maria and Neymar, they are nothing.

 

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[Atomiswave 6,117]

Tuchel will be another stop-gap, enough with that shit already. Poch has agreed to coach PSG rumours claim now.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Special Juan said:

if we are talking about getting the maximum from players and would a new coach help then I say the answer is yes. Currently we have FL playing Timo Werner out wide, that in itself is a total fuck up for a start. What comes with that is having chase back and do more fucking donkey work, no wonder he look dead on his feet. That's another point, he's not rested Werner and game managed him, take for example Salah, Klopp did this with him v Palace, benched him and fetched him on to score.

Frank also played Reece James and Chilwell injured against Arsenal, that is another huge fuck up and adds to the list of questions that need to be asked...what the fuck is FL doing and why is he pushing players into the ground.

And maybe if a new coach arrives he would give instructions from the sidelines rather than stand motionless and idealess like a complete waste of space.

He's been out of the side and no one is talking about him but the Havertz situation also needs to be addressed. Just like Werner, I don't think Lampard knows how to use Havertz either. Granted, Havertz got COVID-19 but that aside, he has been used in so many different positions and despite his potential, we have yet to really see a game where he has shown what he can do or maybe even offer glimpses of it. It's almost as if Lampard bought them to just abuse their versatility without any actual idea how to get the best out of them. I seriously want to know what Lampard told those two when trying to persuade them to join us.

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

But if our next coach plays Kovacic, Mount and Kante, I don't think the next coach can turn any of them into Xavi or Iniesta type of players.

Maybe not but do you think we can at least play better football than what we're seeing now? Ever since the turn of the year, a lot of our attacking play has boiled down to sending balls out wide for players to just dump crosses onto the head of Abraham or Giroud. There's very little variation, creativity and ingenuity in our style. And not to mention, we had to heavily rely on a 21-year-old last season to carry us into the Top 4. Given Lampard has been able to spend way more than any Chelsea manager could - since Mourinho 1.0 IIRC - and that we are 18 months into his regime, I don't think it's wrong to expect more than what we're seeing. There were reports earlier this year saying that this is a 3-year project to get us back to challenging for the league title and Champions League and assuming if true, do we even close to getting to that stage halfway through the 3 years? 

[Special Juan 28,088]

Just now, Jason said:

He's been out of the side and no one is talking about him but the Havertz situation also needs to be addressed. Just like Werner, I don't think Lampard knows how to use Havertz either. Granted, Havertz got COVID-19 but that aside, he has been used in so many different positions and despite his potential, we have yet to really see a game where he has shown what he can do or maybe even offer glimpses of it. It's almost as if Lampard bought them to just abuse their versatility without any actual idea how to get the best out of them. I seriously want to know what Lampard told those two when trying to persuade them to join us.

If you'd of seen my posts you will see I have mentioned a lot regarding Havertz.

I actually don't think it's just Havertz all this, and granted he's been pretty average at best since he signed. Like you mentioned it's as if FL is abusing their so called versatility, yet for me both need to be in their relevant positions and that is not wide like he has both him and Werner.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

2 hours ago, DDA said:

And contrary to most on here who reject the idea of Simione, I think he would be great to have here. His passion and drive would ensure we never see performances like the one we had to endure the other day.

And accompanied with those performances were unforgivable shitehouse tactics against Juventus in 2018 and getting knocked out and completely outplayed by Leipzig last season. We were out with pitchforks when Conte did the same against City and when we got outplayed Roma. 

We need to continue the work we put in making this club sustainable. One of the German blokes in Nagelsmann or Tuchel for me. 

 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

If the club were to move on from Lampard, then I don't think Tuchel would be the right appointment. Winning trophies with PSG doesn't really mean much with the talent in their squad compared to everyone else in France and when I've watched them they rely far too much on individual quality to win games. It should also be noted that reports are he fell out with Leonardo, and also left Mainz and Dortmund after falling out with the board. I don't think the club would tolerate that type of personality at the club.

Would the club revert back to type and go for a bigger name manager, or would they look at something a little out the box like they did with Lampard? Someone who I really like is Hassenhuttl. He helped the initial build of Leipzig before Nagelsman arrived, and I enjoy the football Southampton try to play under him despite a distinctly average squad at his disposal. I think with a better crop of players he could actually do some really great work.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

If the club were to move on from Lampard, then I don't think Tuchel would be the right appointment. Winning trophies with PSG doesn't really mean much with the talent in their squad compared to everyone else in France and when I've watched them they rely far too much on individual quality to win games. It should also be noted that reports are he fell out with Leonardo, and also left Mainz and Dortmund after falling out with the board. I don't think the club would tolerate that type of personality at the club.

Would the club revert back to type and go for a bigger name manager, or would they look at something a little out the box like they did with Lampard? Someone who I really like is Hassenhuttl. He helped the initial build of Leipzig before Nagelsman arrived, and I enjoy the football Southampton try to play under him despite a distinctly average squad at his disposal. I think with a better crop of players he could actually do some really great work.

 

This argument wouldn't of collapsed in the manner it did if you didn't criticise Tuchel for not winning anything then avertedly wanting a manager who also won nothing. 

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

This argument wouldn't of collapsed in the manner it did if you didn't criticise Tuchel for not winning anything then avertedly wanting a manager who also won nothing. 

I didn't criticise Tuchel for not winning anything, I simply mentioned that I wouldn't place winning trophies in France as a "big deal". I'm pretty sure he won the cup too with Dortmund in his time there. 

My arguments against him are more to do that I'm rarely impressed watching PSG play and his last 3 appointments have ended with him leaving under a cloud after disagreements with the board.

With the squad we currently have, I'm not sure whether the experience of winning trophies is as big a need as it was 10 years ago. Someone capable of continuing the development of the young talent we have at the club I think is far more important over the next couple of years. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

9 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Someone capable of continuing the development of the young talent we have at the club I think is far more important over the next couple of years. 

That is exactly what Tuchel is capable of. 

I can say with utmost confidence that if Poch didn't see eye to eye with Levy, he will go to war with Leonardo at PSG. He will virtually have no say in any transfers and is expected to be a Yes man simply put. It's amazing how this is seen as a negative on Tuchel when virtually any manager will experience the same thing.