Hakim Ziyech

[killer1257 3,282]

I swear if we get this guy instead of Sancho...

You will moan like you never moaned before?

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[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Mana said:

...I’ll make sugar rainbows.

[OneMoSalah 8,889]

I dont see what the hassle is.

I was slightly apprehensive after the links based one that one season last year but he has like over 20 assists this sesson and like 8 goals already. Hes shown he can do it again.

As I said before, I think he lacks that geniune pace you'd want in a wide player and for me it feels like if he plays outwide it would be like Mourinho shunting Mata there. I do think centrally he could be a lot more influential and have lots more touches of the ball. His final pass, shooting and dribbling are great qualities as well as his deliveries from set pieces and freekicks as we have seen this season.

For 38m, he is as good as it gets at that price range in the modern market imo.

Hopefully if the deal is done, he does play as a 10 in contention for a place with Mount or as a more advanced option in a 3. If hes shunted wide in the PL, I think he may struggle to have the same influence he has at Ajax, here. Although maybe not.

I dont think FL will necessarily see him as an out and out winger. I know he plays there for Ajax but he floats infield a lot more than he would perhaps get to do here as they are a lot more fluid with their line up.

For 38m, at 27 years old, it seems logical because we lack a bit of that x factor in the final third. Technically he is probably just as good as anybody out there I would say bar the Messis, Neymars, Ronaldos etc and I am geniunely surprised that Spurs didn't go for him on Van der Vaarts recommendation in the summer because he is probably just as good as Eriksen and more adaptable.

[SUNZ 155]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I dont see what the hassle is.

I was slightly apprehensive after the links based one that one season last year but he has like over 20 assists this sesson and nearly 8 goals already. Hes shown he can do it again.

As I said before, I think he lacks that geniune pace you'd want in a wide player and for me it feels like if he plays outwide it would be like Mourinho shunting Mata there. I do think centrally he could be a lot more influential and have lots more touches of the ball. His final pass, shooting and dribbling are great qualities as well as his deliveries from set pieces and freekicks as we have seen this season.

For 38m, he is as good as it gets at that price range in the modern market imo.

Hopefully if the deal is done, he does play as a 10 in contention for a place with Mount or as a more advanced option in a 3. If hes shunted wide in the PL, I think he may struggle to have the same influence he has at Ajax, here. Although maybe not.

I dont think FL will necessarily see him as an out and out winger. I know he plays there for Ajax but he floats infield a lot more than he would perhaps get to do here as they are a lot more fluid with their line up.

He won't face competition for #10 from anyone. Ziyech is a different league to anybody currently on our books.

Mount is OK but please, there'll be no competition for Ziyech's place in the team.

[Nicco 927]

Only a Barkley sell announcement will make me believe Ziyech is coming to play in the middle.

[OneMoSalah 8,889]

5 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Why buy him when we could have gone for sancho

He is good but very inconsistent

Wasnt one willian enough in this lifetime

Inconsistent? 

In like the last 160 games hes scored like 50 goals and assisted around 60-70 or more (was a vague stat off twitter). Another one saying in 113 games for Ajax hes been involved in 92 goals in the league. Has created over 400 chances since moving there in 2016.

What the fuck is consistent if that isnt?

You mentioned Sancho, who in the first half of the season for Dortmund, was very inconsistent as well..... so I dint know.

Seems to be because he isnt Sancho he isnt going to cut it here, which is ridiculous. Like Pulisic because he wasnt Hazard.... some people need to take their heads out of the sand. Inconsistent, fuck me, madness.

[Vesper 30,297]

5 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Why buy him when we could have gone for sancho

He is good but very inconsistent

Wasnt one willian enough in this lifetime

We are so still going for Sancho

obviously no guarantees we get him, but a miss on him is devastating

Ziyech will shuffle between AMF and winger

which means we still only have 2 full wingers

Pulisic and CHO

signing Ziyech means 2 things for me

Willian is GONE

woooooot wooot

and we are probably not going to make a move for Maddison, or the more likely before this, Grealish, grrrrr

although

and here people are going to go bonkers

I would not lose my mind if we sold Mount and bought Grealish

AMF Grealish

AMF RLC <<< we do not even know if he will ever fully recover BTW, in which case, if we did sell mount, we absolutely need two options, which means Ziyesch here

LW Pulisic

LW CHO

RW Sancho

RW Ziyech << also an AMF option

I do not expect that to happen though

I think Grealish is off our board now

sorta unhappy

as I would much rather have Grealish, and Boga, and Sancho

i assume if we disastrously miss out on Sancho, we roll with Boga

if the two wingers we bring in are Boga and Ziyech and that's it, plus at that point we also do not even make a move for Grealish or Maddison

they are going to be some raging people here

now add in a very likely missing out on Werner

and Shitty grabbing Chilwell and then the board goes into shutdown mode and does NOTHING at LB

the raging will go OFF THE CHARTS

especially if we also miss out on Dembele and end up with some speculative dice roll at CF

which if that also occurred, with all else listed happening as well, puts us in real danger of having a really shit overall window, a potentially horrific one, if Ziyech bombs out

i have so little faith in the board, i could see all of that rot actually going down

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,297]

on reflection

maybe I am being too optimistic

maybe we have given up on Sancho

and will do exact what I just said and only bring in Ziyech and Boga

IF that is indeed the case we damn well better go for bloody Lautaro if/when Werner shits out

we certainly will have the cash if we do give up on Sancho

simply bringing in Dembele or worse

Ziyech

Boga

no pure AMF/Number 10

is a bit of an upgrade but is simply more than likely not good enough unless Boga goes supernova

especially if the Ziyech haters are correct and he ends up an EPL bust

IF that £150m is additional and  all that £200m we have in done, concrete net sales revenue already

then Dembele, Boga Ziyech combined still leaves

£250m or so left to spend 

hell, even buying Lautaro instead of Dembele means £200m still left

and that doesnt even count NEW sales, like Barkley, one or both of the LB's etc etc

so we damn well better spend a shit tonne on beefing up the defence with that monster pile of cash left over

 

 

 

[Rapkun 668]

Having watched the player an awful lot of times, I'm a bit concerned about this signing. There are positive aspects but also a lot of negatives.

Pros:

- Set Piece Specialist

- Crosses

- Creativity

- Left footed

- Price (although it could be argued he was 15m cheaper last summer)

Cons:

- Lightweight

- Poor dribbling ability for a winger

- Loses the ball far too often

- Takes a lot of shots

- Sancho unlikely

He's an exciting player to watch, talented one for sure but he can be very frustrating. I always wondered wether he could play for a top club especially in the PL. He had a 30 mil release clause last summer but it seems no big club were interested. They probably had their concerns. He's a high risk high reward player.

[shrenshah 186]

Love this transfer if we still get sancho

Hate him if we bought him instead of sancho

 

Reminds me a lot of the marko marin deal, where we had champions league uncertainty hence we bought him early but we ended up winning the champions league and bought in hazard...be bye marin

[Alabama 1,992]

Sancho pursuit is still on....although I can relate with the club due to the transfer price he will command but we can't just end his signing him just like that because we have stack of cash to spend and army of other players to sell...

[Tomo 21,751]

11 hours ago, Mana said:

I swear if we get this guy instead of Sancho...

And if we get Sancho.

'I swear if we get him instead of (insert whoever Arsenal are linked with)'

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Love this transfer if we still get sancho

Hate him if we bought him instead of sancho

Why does Ziyech get the hate when he's not the one who made the decision to be brought to Chelsea?  

3 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Reminds me a lot of the marko marin deal, where we had champions league uncertainty hence we bought him early but we ended up winning the champions league and bought in hazard...be bye marin

Was thinking the same yesterday but you could argue that Ziyech has more pedigree than Marin back in 2012 and if you believe the reports, Lampard already wanted him last month but couldn't get him because Ajax didn't want to sell. So, this doesn't feel like a backup signing at all. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Alabama said:

Sancho pursuit is still on....although I can relate with the club due to the transfer price he will command but we can't just end his signing him just like that because we have stack of cash to spend and army of other players to sell...

Sure, we have a lot of players to sell but people need to realize that we're not living in the world of Football Manager or FIFA. We aren't just going to sell everyone in one go because that's not just possible. Otherwise, they wouldn't still be in the club's books after all this time.

We have money to spend but it's not bottomless and in case people have forgotten, we still gotta buy at least a ST, a LB and potentially a new GK. That's going to cost a lot of money. It might be great to get Sancho but it would be mismanagement if we were to bomb a large of sum of our resources on him and then having to scrape the barrels with whatever that's left for the other positions. If we do get Ziyech, Sancho then feels like a luxury signing all of a sudden. If we do get Ziyech, the priority should then be turned to securing a ST and LB. 

[Styl1994 188]

9 hours ago, Vesper said:

We are so still going for Sancho

obviously no guarantees we get him, but a miss on him is devastating

Ziyech will shuffle between AMF and winger

which means we still only have 2 full wingers

Pulisic and CHO

signing Ziyech means 2 things for me

Willian is GONE

woooooot wooot

and we are probably not going to make a move for Maddison, or the more likely before this, Grealish, grrrrr

although

and here people are going to go bonkers

I would not lose my mind if we sold Mount and bought Grealish

AMF Grealish

AMF RLC <<< we do not even know if he will ever fully recover BTW, in which case, if we did sell mount, we absolutely need two options, which means Ziyesch here

LW Pulisic

LW CHO

RW Sancho

RW Ziyech << also an AMF option

I do not expect that to happen though

I think Grealish is off our board now

sorta unhappy

as I would much rather have Grealish, and Boga, and Sancho

i assume if we disastrously miss out on Sancho, we roll with Boga

if the two wingers we bring in are Boga and Ziyech and that's it, plus at that point we also do not even make a move for Grealish or Maddison

they are going to be some raging people here

now add in a very likely missing out on Werner

and Shitty grabbing Chilwell and then the board goes into shutdown mode and does NOTHING at LB

the raging will go OFF THE CHARTS

especially if we also miss out on Dembele and end up with some speculative dice roll at CF

which if that also occurred, with all else listed happening as well, puts us in real danger of having a really shit overall window, a potentially horrific one, if Ziyech bombs out

i have so little faith in the board, i could see all of that rot actually going down

 

 

 

Giving up on a young player who at 20-21 had 10 goal involvements in the Premier League so far haven’t we learned our lesson yet. 

[Special Juan 28,186]

Sounds like we have got him, just need a top striker now to get on the end of Reece and Ziyech's crosses now.

[Malito 17]

Hey folks, first time poster.  So go easy on Me

From the little info I have, Ziyech has very much been driven by Frank Lampard.  Which is interesting because according to many the Head Coach doesn't have any say in who comes & who goes.

Sancho will definitely not be moving to Chelsea in the Summer and unlikely ever because the financials are astronomical and far greater than is being bandied about in the media.

The costs are far too great for most Clubs including Chelsea who operate from revenue generated in house and not Roman's Deep Pockets.  Which has actually been the case for well over a decade now.

 

KTBFFH!!

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Done

[!Hazard! 3,394]

 YASSS

[Jase 43,479]

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