1905didierblue 748 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 He will have the RW spot on lock down by the end of the season. But people who can't see why he is being benched just need to see his games and performances with us so far. It's a tough league and young players need time to acclimatize which Frank is rightly affording him. I expect him to come through, but not at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Miguelito said: I understand what you're saying...but disagree. Theoretically, Bernardo Silva, David Silva, even KDB you could argue "occupying the same space". But practically it doesn't cause them many problems. Intelligent players figure it out and interchange well. Ruben is also a deeper player than mount should be at this point. Ruben is at his best box to box. Mount is currently better higher up. That may change, and I have no doubt they'll be competing for the same/similar positions in the future, but they can play together. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Contrary to popular belief, Pep is a very2 rigid manager. His team playing like robot, so when KDB and Bernardo silva playing at the same side (They won't occupy the same space if one is playing on the left and one on the right) and when Bernardo is asked to play on the wing, he will stay wide as possible and it allow KDB to play inside. So no they don't occupy the same space. Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Jason said: Our midfield is giving a major headache. Only Kante has any sense of defensive mindset and the rest are just awful in defensive situations. We almost have to compromise with our selections. If only we hadn't loaned Ampadu out... My question to you Jason, what quality will pulisic bring to our team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, communicate said: My question to you Jason, what quality will pulisic bring to our team? Pace, directness, off the ball runs, ability to beat players 1 v 1. You look at yesterday's team and barring Abraham and maybe Mount, everyone likes to come to the ball, likes to have the ball at their feet and go from there. There was hardly enough threat to take advantage of the space Liverpool were giving to us at back. We have seen glimpses of what Pulisic can do when he has space to operate in, notably against RB Salzburg in pre-season and Liverpool in the Super Cup. Now, I'm not saying we would have 100% drawn or won the game yesterday and I know our sub options got limited due to the injuries, but he would have given us something different upfront if he had come on. Moreover, he works hard, can press the opposition but the thing that's majorly holding him back right now is the physicality of the league, which he's struggled to cope with. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Pace, directness, off the ball runs, ability to beat players 1 v 1. You look at yesterday's team and barring Abraham and maybe Mount, everyone likes to come to the ball, likes to have the ball at their feet and go from there. There was hardly enough threat to take advantage of the space Liverpool were giving to us at back. We have seen glimpses of what Pulisic can do when he has big space to operate in, notably against RB Salzburg in pre-season and Liverpool in the Super Cup. Now, I'm not saying we would have 100% drawn or won the game yesterday and I know our sub options got limited due to the injuries, but he would have given us something different upfront if he had come on. Moreover, he works hard, can press the opposition but the thing that's majorly holding him back right now is the physicality of the league, which he's struggled to cope with. I think you want somebody who make run behind. That mean you have to drop mount otherwise it is going to be very imbalance. At the same time, Mount has produced and at this point he is kinda lamp favorite player so it is difficult. If you play him over Willian, and he keep making run behind, somebody need to drop. Tammy is a striker, Mount will be ineffective deeper. So he will drop and play Willian role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 hours ago, communicate said: I think you want somebody who make run behind. That mean you have to drop mount otherwise it is going to be very imbalance. At the same time, Mount has produced and at this point he is kinda lamp favorite player so it is difficult. If you play him over Willian, and he keep making run behind, somebody need to drop. Tammy is a striker, Mount will be ineffective deeper. So he will drop and play Willian role Probably been the right thing against Liverpool and Wolves who are two of the best drilled teams in the league with regards to counter attacking and making use of spaces left. However, I think you can afford to play with Pulisic as a winger higher up the pitch in some of our games coming up if we either played with wing backs or played with the 3 in midfield we had yesterday because either of those two formations should give a better balance and platform for the attacking players to operate higher up the pitch. The likes of Mount and Pulisic are hardly like Hazard either, they will be more than willing to put the hard yards in when defending. Pulisic just needs time. He has some very appealing attributes, namely his pace and ability and willingness to run in behind. From what I've seen too, he looks a decent finisher when in those positions and I think could become a very important weapon for us but he needs time to adapt to the pace and power of the league. Just because of the money we paid for him it's easy to forget just how young and raw he is. You only have to look at yesterday's opponents, Klopp ignored the clamour for Robertson and Fabinho to be chucked in immediately and gave both ample time to acclimatise (in Robertson's case the way Klopp wanted to play and in Fabinho's case both Klopp's way and adapt to the English game). He kept both out of the firing line and made sure they were ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: Probably been the right thing against Liverpool and Wolves who are two of the best drilled teams in the league with regards to counter attacking and making use of spaces left. However, I think you can afford to play with Pulisic as a winger higher up the pitch in some of our games coming up if we either played with wing backs or played with the 3 in midfield we had yesterday because either of those two formations should give a better balance and platform for the attacking players to operate higher up the pitch. The likes of Mount and Pulisic are hardly like Hazard either, they will be more than willing to put the hard yards in when defending. Pulisic just needs time. He has some very appealing attributes, namely his pace and ability and willingness to run in behind. From what I've seen too, he looks a decent finisher when in those positions and I think could become a very important weapon for us but he needs time to adapt to the pace and power of the league. Just because of the money we paid for him it's easy to forget just how young and raw he is. You only have to look at yesterday's opponents, Klopp ignored the clamour for Robertson and Fabinho to be chucked in immediately and gave both ample time to acclimatise (in Robertson's case the way Klopp wanted to play and in Fabinho's case both Klopp's way and adapt to the English game). He kept both out of the firing line and made sure they were ready. Against pool, I thought he should have come on for mount. I want somebody to test Alexander Arnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Willian is better than him right now. With that reasoning none of our youngsters would start... while I do t disagree with what you wrote, the younger players offer something different. A bit more impetus and pace, so it’s up to the manager to a balance that out. balance is the keyword and what has been missing tho. on the subject, think someone else here got it right, Tammy prob was struggling a bit which made frank opted to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Abreu03 292 Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted September 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Willian is better than him right now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Willian is better at doing nothing. killer1257, Alabama, Dazzy_Vance and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It always amazes me that no one can see middle ground with Willian. He's either amazing or hopeless when in reality he's always been something in between. robsblubot, Sir Mikel OBE and Supermonkey92 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Tomo said: It always amazes me that no one can see middle ground with Willian. He's either amazing or hopeless when in reality he's always been something in between as the post above demonstrates. I agree with you. He is very good at carrying the ball into some spaces in a very fast way through his athleticism. His athleticism is his biggest strenght. He is very fast, mobile and has good cardio. His pressing is decent and he can start good counter attacking movements. What he is not good at is his decision making. He sometimes does not see the right passes and he is also not the most creative player. Furthermore, his crossing is not good at all and his dribbling abilities at right winger is pretty bad. His dribbling abilities as a left winger is way better, even though he still in not a world class dribbler. His shooting could be way better. He is not bad, but not a player for a world class team overall. robsblubot and Tomo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tomo said: It always amazes me that no one can see middle ground with Willian. He's either amazing or hopeless when in reality he's always been something in between as the post above demonstrates. Despite all the evidence stating otherwise. Brazil Call ups, several managers starting or using him, interest by other top clubs. it’s really his final ball that is mostly lacking: like killer said, decisions mostly. what willian offers is exactly what most of our younger players lack, so reckon he will see a lot of minutes this season. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Willian is better than him right now. Yeah because he is playing and Pulisic is sitting on his arse, not difficult, but even saying that Willian is just rank poor has been for ages. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,381 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Willian for me has always been a 10-7th league table player. His numbers justify that. Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Robchels said: what willian offers is exactly what most of our younger players lack, so reckon he will see a lot of minutes this season. Lovely...just watch him sign a new contract too! What a turnaround after being pushed to fringes by Sarri last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 12 hours ago, communicate said: I think you want somebody who make run behind. That mean you have to drop mount otherwise it is going to be very imbalance. At the same time, Mount has produced and at this point he is kinda lamp favorite player so it is difficult. If you play him over Willian, and he keep making run behind, somebody need to drop. Tammy is a striker, Mount will be ineffective deeper. So he will drop and play Willian role Not saying Pulisic should stick up there and not drop back when he has to. Admittedly, he might not be as good as Willian in dribbling with the ball but he can still carry it from deep areas and if we have any sense of play at all, we can work around pressing or getting up the field through passing combination moves. It's just that Pulisic would provide more in the attacking third than Willian, in terms of making those off the ball runs, being more direct etc. And here's a little stat - Mount has more goals this season than Pulisic, Pedro and Willian combined (3 vs 0) but on the other hand, Pulisic has more assists than Mount, Pedro and Willian combined (2 vs 0). Vybz Kartel and Bosnian Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jason said: Lovely...just watch him sign a new contract too! What a turnaround after being pushed to fringes by Sarri last season. It really depends on how quickly the young players develop doesn’t it? And also whether we have a window or not. football is about winning, unless folks here want us to become one of those clubs who develop players only... yeah pretty much mutually exclusive. And mount had a shitty game yesterday... that’s a young player for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: Pulisic just needs time. He has some very appealing attributes, namely his pace and ability and willingness to run in behind. From what I've seen too, he looks a decent finisher when in those positions and I think could become a very important weapon for us but he needs time to adapt to the pace and power of the league. Just because of the money we paid for him it's easy to forget just how young and raw he is. You only have to look at yesterday's opponents, Klopp ignored the clamour for Robertson and Fabinho to be chucked in immediately and gave both ample time to acclimatise (in Robertson's case the way Klopp wanted to play and in Fabinho's case both Klopp's way and adapt to the English game). He kept both out of the firing line and made sure they were ready. Perhaps so but it would be nice if Lampard could explain a tad more than just say "He will get lots of opportunities. It's just my choice now because I have options" . I don't know if he doesn't want to do that knowing all the US attention is on him - Pulisic already has a lot of pressure from them to deal with and he doesn't need more - but having said what he has said, it has kinda just left us all wondering 'what the hell is going on?'. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jason said: Perhaps so but it would be nice if Lampard could explain a tad more than just say "He will get lots of opportunities. It's just my choice now because I have options" . I don't know if he doesn't want to do that knowing all the US attention is on him - Pulisic already has a lot of pressure from them to deal with and he doesn't need more - but having said what he has said, it has kinda just left us all wondering 'what the hell is going on?'. Well saying the right thing, and sometimes strategically saying then wrong thing, may be just another aspect of the job that frank has yet to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Jason said: Not saying Pulisic should stick up there and not drop back when he has to. Admittedly, he might not be as good as Willian in dribbling with the ball but he can still carry it from deep areas and if we have any sense of play at all, we can work around pressing or getting up the field through passing combination moves. It's just that Pulisic would provide more in the attacking third than Willian, in terms of making those off the ball runs, being more direct etc. And here's a little stat - Mount has more goals this season than Pulisic, Pedro and Willian combined (3 vs 0) but on the other hand, Pulisic has more assists than Mount, Pedro and Willian combined (2 vs 0). You just don't like Willian. 😄😄 For me in our current setup I like Willian. He is not very direct and good dribller which mean less turnover and it help with moving the forward. I think michy and and Mount late chances both came from Willian crossfield passes to Alonso. I maybe wrong, but I remember there is one he hit with his left foot. You want both winger that make more run behind, that is fine. Then you need your striker to drop more, play more like a target man. So Tammy need to drop more and play like Giroud. Just watch pool, sometimes salah will drop deep and feed firmino but the majority of the time salah will make run behind and firmino will drop deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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