Jorginho

[Jase 43,479]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/chelsea-midfielder-will-get-important-proposals-summer-agent-says-theyll-evaluate-situation/

Jorginho has a very talkative agent...

[Rapkun 668]

16 minutes ago, Jason said:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/chelsea-midfielder-will-get-important-proposals-summer-agent-says-theyll-evaluate-situation/

If a club is willing to play close to the £57m we spent on him, that's a no-brainer for me.

[chippy 342]

Imho, our midfield needs to be rebuilt because the current set of players simply don't do anywhere near enough damage where it matters most.  We'd get decent money for Jorginho and Kante, so they're two i'd move on.

[Vesper 29,087]

On 04/02/2020 at 8:18 PM, Vesper said:

Verratti has been a beast all year

And here is this from today backing me up

Revealed: Here is list of most in-form players in Europe (Ronaldo, Messi out of top 10)

Marco Verratti was ranked above both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi in CIES' list of in-form players

https://www.legit.ng/1299521-marco-verratti-psg-star-beats-messi-ronaldo-ciess-list-form-players.html

The Paris-Saint-German attacking midfielder surprisingly came top with 92.3% efficiency ratio

- Liverpool's Joe Gomez and Vigil van Dijk secured third and fourth spots respectively with efficiency ratio of 90.5 and 89.4

Paris-Saint-Germain sensation, Marco Verratti, has surprisingly emerged the player with the most incredible form since the beginning of the season across Europe's top five leagues.

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[Vesper 29,087]

Jorginho's Agent on Chelsea to Juventus Transfer: 'Anything Can Happen'

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2875369-jorginhos-agent-on-chelsea-to-juventus-transfer-anything-can-happen

The agent of Chelsea's Jorginho has doubled down on his stance that the midfielder might leave Stamford Bridge this summer, saying "anything could happen" in regard to a transfer to Juventus.

The 28-year-old previously played under coach Maurizio Sarri at Chelsea and Napoli, and the tactician's move to Juve in 2019 has led to speculation of another reunion, this time in Turin.

Jorginho's representative, Joao Santos, told TuttoJuve.com (h/t Football Italia) they are ready to consider their options "from Italy, France and England," singling out Juventus as a desirable destination:

"Anything can happen in the transfer market. I said 'why not?' to Juventus because Jorginho has a three-year contract with Chelsea, so the priority is clearly to remain there, but we could also evaluate leaving the club in July.

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[OneMoSalah 8,799]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Jorginho's Agent on Chelsea to Juventus Transfer: 'Anything Can Happen'

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2875369-jorginhos-agent-on-chelsea-to-juventus-transfer-anything-can-happen

The agent of Chelsea's Jorginho has doubled down on his stance that the midfielder might leave Stamford Bridge this summer, saying "anything could happen" in regard to a transfer to Juventus.

The 28-year-old previously played under coach Maurizio Sarri at Chelsea and Napoli, and the tactician's move to Juve in 2019 has led to speculation of another reunion, this time in Turin.

Jorginho's representative, Joao Santos, told TuttoJuve.com (h/t Football Italia) they are ready to consider their options "from Italy, France and England," singling out Juventus as a desirable destination:

"Anything can happen in the transfer market. I said 'why not?' to Juventus because Jorginho has a three-year contract with Chelsea, so the priority is clearly to remain there, but we could also evaluate leaving the club in July.

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Probably his way of saying he has 3 years left lets look to get a new deal. Juventus dont need him. Pjanic is just as good.

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

What a pass for the first goal 🤩

My captain 🤙💙

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

His continuing lack of discipline is concerning 

[DDA 9,689]

Massive fan of Jorginho but have to say he has clearly gone of the boil recently. He isn't and will never be of the same class as Busquets. If we want to challenge the elite (that is a huge if) ... then we need to think about upgrading in this position. 

[Jase 43,479]

He is the vice captain, a supposedly leader in the dressing room but went all Verratti and got a stupid yellow card that will keep him out of the second leg.  

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

He is the vice captain, a supposedly leader in the dressing room but went all Verratti and got a stupid yellow card that will keep him out of the second leg.  

Again being vice captain and getting a booking it means nothing at all, these things happen, how many times did Cahill, Terry etc all get bookings or worse?

Plus if him getting booked is one of the biggest issues or a problem from that game then we clearly watched different games. If it wasnt Jorginho youd not make a fuss I reckon...

Would be more concerned about the performance as a whole, the defence and team shape again after all the praise v Spurs, Mount and Barkleys performances especially and Alonso's red all much much bigger issues. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Again being vice captain and getting a booking it means nothing at all, these things happen, how many times did Cahill, Terry etc all get bookings or worse?

Plus if him getting booked is one of the biggest issues or a problem from that game then we clearly watched different games.

He got booked for dissent, which is stupid considering the injury problems we've had. He even had to be held back by Azpi!

Obviously there are much bigger problems from yesterday's game but it's little things like that that just explains the individual problems in the team.

 

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

Just now, Jason said:

He got booked for dissent, which is stupid considering the injury problems we've had. He even had to be held back by Azpi!

Obviously there are much bigger problems from yesterday's game but it's little things like that that just explains the individual problems in the team.

 

Perhaps but its not as if nobody gets booked for dissent in other teams or leagues or as if players getting booked for dissent is a major issue that only we have. Its part and parcel of modern day football because referees are so protected from players giving them a bit back or disagreeing with their decisions.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but its not as if nobody gets booked for dissent in other teams or leagues or as if players getting booked for dissent is a major issue that only we have. Its part and parcel of modern day football because referees are so protected from players giving them a bit back or disagreeing with their decisions.

Still doesn't mean it's okay to not criticize players when they pick up a yellow in such stupid fashion. 

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

18 minutes ago, Jason said:

Still doesn't mean it's okay to not criticize players when they pick up a yellow in such stupid fashion. 

Again though if it was anyone else would it be as big a problem? Jorginho seems to get some sort of special criticism everytime we lose for something even if it is minimal such as a booking for dissent. Be it 1 bad pass or a wee booking that hardly altered the game or this or that. Theres still an heir of the whole Sarri's man scapegoat sort of thing around him I feel. He isnt immune to criticism but he seems to get it more or less every week for wee stupid things that if it was anyone else it wouldnt be mentioned or an issue in my eyes.

Even more annoying nobody's brought this comment up that Frank said this after the game

"Our choice of pass in the final third has to improve."

I mean really?! What does he expect? He started 2 of our most inconsistent players in advanded positions vs Bayern Municu ffs. Wont go into it as we've been discussing in Mason's thread and Ross' for a long long time about these things. I mean as bad as it sounds not starting Willian, who showed vs Barcelona 2 seasons ago over 2 games he can hurt top teams and even in some of the minutes he had yesterday he looked more purposeful thsn both, then says that. He is starting to sound like Ole Solskjaer a lot. Particularly after big games. Excuses after excuses despite the things hes bringing up being directly created by his selections. Questions need to be asked.

[Jase 43,479]

28 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Again though if it was anyone else would it be as big a problem? Jorginho seems to get some sort of special criticism everytime we lose for something even if it is minimal such as a booking for dissent. Be it 1 bad pass or a wee booking that hardly altered the game or this or that. Theres still an heir of the whole Sarri's man scapegoat sort of thing around him I feel. He isnt immune to criticism but he seems to get it more or less every week for wee stupid things that if it was anyone else it wouldnt be mentioned or an issue in my eyes.

Pardon me if I expect the vice captain to be a little more control of himself in the big moments. Agree to disagree.

28 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Even more annoying nobody's brought this comment up that Frank said this after the game

"Our choice of pass in the final third has to improve."

I mean really?! What does he expect? He started 2 of our most inconsistent players in advanded positions vs Bayern Municu ffs. Wont go into it as we've been discussing in Mason's thread and Ross' for a long long time about these things. I mean as bad as it sounds not starting Willian, who showed vs Barcelona 2 seasons ago over 2 games he can hurt top teams and even in some of the minutes he had yesterday he looked more purposeful thsn both, then says that. He is starting to sound like Ole Solskjaer a lot. Particularly after big games. Excuses after excuses despite the things hes bringing up being directly created by his selections. Questions need to be asked.

And no one seems to question why we are so easy to score against. No one seems to bother why we, as a team, have not made life difficult for opponents to score against us (even if you take the individual fuck ups along the way). Lampard always seems to gloss over that by talking about our attacking problems instead and even when he does talk about the goals conceded, he'll just casually put them down to individual mistakes, like they're not important. He's not always wrong about that but the collective defending leaves a lot to be desired a lot of the time. The pressing is some times all over the place, the defensive lines aren't compact, it's easy for opponents to play through us etc. For instance and I said this in the Bayern match thread, Kante & Hazard aside, our starting XI last night wasn't much different to the starting XI that played Barcelona in the R16 1st leg 2 years ago but the defensive organization was night and day.

XI vs Barca at SB
Courtois - Rudiger/Christensen/Azpi - Alonso/Kante/Fabregas/Moses - Hazard/Willian/Pedro

vs

XI vs Bayern at SB
Caballero - Rudiger/Christensen/Azpi - Alonso/Jorginho/Kovacic/James - Barkley/Mount/Giroud

[Special Juan 27,457]

His form is more worrying than his discipline.

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

Not sure what people expect from him? 

He made great pass against Spurs for first goal. Last night also for Mount chance. 3-4-3 is not his system. Stats show he's our best defensive player with interceptions etc... 

He has his flaws of course but if he plays for City or Barca he would be very praised player.