🇮🇹 Jorginho

[1905didierblue 748]

7 minutes ago, communicate said:

Anybody but Jorginho. Is Bakayoko still on the team? then play him next to Kovacic. 

 

Without Kante, yes, we seem poor defensively. But come on man. Baka? Seriously? Atleast jorginho can pass, baka would be the worst thing for this team

[NikkiCFC 8,459]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

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[communicate 2,703]

27 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Not really. Bakayoko just need to sit and let kova bring the ball forward 

[communicate 2,703]

31 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Without Kante, yes, we seem poor defensively. But come on man. Baka? Seriously? Atleast jorginho can pass, baka would be the worst thing for this team

Who care that Jorginho can pass. We don't need passer. We need a destroyer. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Not his best game today a bit of a passager. But ot was the kind of game where i would have liked someone with the ability to control the temponof the game. After our first half leads he should have put the foot on the brake. But yeah if we do not want to take this option, kill games with posession we dont need really him

[OneMoSalah 8,947]

1 hour ago, communicate said:

I have no clue why Lamp keep playing Jorginho. There is 0 reason to play jorginho in this system 

Is this a joke? How many times did he pick the ball up and play a 20 or 30m pass outwide,  through the lines or directly to the frontman today? Kovacic doesnt do it enough. In a game where your going to have all off the ball Jorginho is essential. He wasnt all that bad defensively for me its more a collective issue than individuals.

[Joe Ay 66]

Thought he was terrific today. Distributed the ball really and was tenacious in trying to win it back. Him and Kovacic were great today.

 

 

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[1905didierblue 748]

31 minutes ago, communicate said:

Who care that Jorginho can pass. We don't need passer. We need a destroyer. 

I am sorry bro. If baka was actually good at it, I would have agreed. The tempo at which we play, the game would literally pass him by.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Is this a joke? How many times did he pick the ball up and play a 20 or 30m pass outwide,  through the lines or directly to the frontman today? Kovacic doesnt do it enough. In a game where your going to have all off the ball Jorginho is essential. He wasnt all that bad defensively for me its more a collective issue than individuals.

Nope he was poor. I defended Jorginho last year but this year, we can't play Jorginho . We are essentially playing 442 with mount playing behind a striker. Your 2 cm need to protect your d line otherwise it was too easy for your opp to pick up the ball and just run at your d line. 

 

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

I am sorry bro. If baka was actually good at it, I would have agreed. The tempo at which we play, the game would literally pass him by.

What I need from Baka is to just sit in front of the defense and let kante/kova bring the ball forward 

[OneMoSalah 8,947]

3 hours ago, communicate said:

Nope he was poor. I defended Jorginho last year but this year, we can't play Jorginho . We are essentially playing 442 with mount playing behind a striker. Your 2 cm need to protect your d line otherwise it was too easy for your opp to pick up the ball and just run at your d line. 

 

We must of watched different games then. Norwich played through us but its more tactical and a collective problem as we seem to press in a group of 4 or 5 with 5 behind the ball as opposed to as a team. Thats why the spaces are too big. 4 or 5 go and then theres lots of room for teams to utilize and youve basically got Jorginho and Kovacic, who both arent amazingly defensively but again arent exactly piss poor, trying to defend in a situation where they will be outnumbered or isolated more than often. 

If you want your team to be progressive and dominate the ball, Jorginho is an essential out of squad. Thats why I dont get why you are insistent on dropping him. Last season was the same, it was a collective issue than individuals with regards to defending and pressing.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I don't think Jorginho can take blame. The midfield doesn't work as a unit. Even in a 3 last year Sarri was conservative ON PURPOSE because it wasn't working early on.

If kova and Jorginho are in a 2 and they press forward, the defence has to be about 5 metres behind and well positioned. It's like everyone is positioned to go forward without thinking 'what happens if we lose the ball now?'

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[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, communicate said:

What I need from Baka is to just sit in front of the defense and let kante/kova bring the ball forward 

We are pressing team, so that wouldnt work.  

Baka would have to press too if we wanted to be sucessful and he would get lost somewhere in row 6.

Having Kante back instead of Kovacic will help us big big time because he can defend brilliantly. But the problems are nowhere fixed then.

[Azul 1,615]

I personally think that Jorginho is good at what he does and that is to keep the ball and to pass to the right players.

However he is horrible off the ball which worries me, it got me thinking that playing him in a 4-2-3-1 formation simply doesn't work. I think that Kovacic has been superb in the last few games and we should let Kovacic play with Kante instead. 

[Stats 7,190]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11793779/is-jorginho-winning-over-the-chelsea-supporters-under-frank-lampard

Fantastic read. Also, for the people who give him stick for no assists etc, have a read.

[manpe 10,861]

On 24/08/2019 at 5:27 PM, communicate said:

Who care that Jorginho can pass. We don't need passer. We need a destroyer. 

Baka is a destroyer alright. Destroyer of our game.

[communicate 2,703]

On 8/25/2019 at 5:06 AM, BlueLyon said:

We are pressing team, so that wouldnt work.  

Baka would have to press too if we wanted to be sucessful and he would get lost somewhere in row 6.

Having Kante back instead of Kovacic will help us big big time because he can defend brilliantly. But the problems are nowhere fixed then.

Baka has no problem with pressing. Passing is a bit of a problem. But we don't need him to  make plenty of pass. I am pretty sure Jorginho made at least 50% more passes last year than this season. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

6 hours ago, communicate said:

Baka has no problem with pressing. Passing is a bit of a problem. But we don't need him to  make plenty of pass. I am pretty sure Jorginho made at least 50% more passes last year than this season. 

Baka has essentialy problems with both tbh.

[manpe 10,861]

7 hours ago, communicate said:

Baka has no problem with pressing. Passing is a bit of a problem. But we don't need him to  make plenty of pass. I am pretty sure Jorginho made at least 50% more passes last year than this season. 

So we have then Zouma and Bakayoko in the same line-up, with a bit of passing problems ("a bit" being understatement of the year). You wanna handicap our offensive play entirely? Jorginho is good but not so good to do it all alone. Bakayoko losing possession instead of keeping possession would put our defence under a lot more pressure and we would concede a lot more goals. Keeping the ball efficiently is part of defending, not merely being big enough to outjump your opponents (and even that is suspect because his positioning is bad).

[El P. 1,354]

Glad Lamps mentioned that Jorginho can work on his passing range. I mean, his passes are pretty good even right now, but they are not excellent. And they COULD be just that, he has it in him.

As for defence - Jorginho is not bad defensively, he is tactically mature, but not very fast or strong. Most of the time that should be enough alongside Kante. But let's not talk about how can we improve his defending, or even replacing him with some destroyoko, let's talk about how can we improve our defence.

Also, his character is just awesome, it's really great having someone more vocal, mature and experienced, alongside all those kids.