The Sarri Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Let's be honest, against a top team this was going to happen. We've conceded too many big chances this season, probably the most of out the top 6 teams in the PL.

Sarri said it would take a year and anyone who followed Napoli will know that it took him half a season to get something started. 

We've had some good results, good performances and some bad results and performances. Realistically we have the experience to compete for the title, the best PL player and a manager who has changed everything in comparison to his predecessor but top 4 was always the goal, even if Morata or Giroud scored 30 goals this season (we'd have to cross much more often for any chances of 15 yet alone 30 goals) we'd finish in the top 4 and not as winners still.

Lack of fire power is an excuse that is mentioned a lot in comparision to the real problem which is the defence (or so I would say), David Luiz plays every game this season and we concede a huge amount of chances, is it any surprise? Conte tightened up a average back line with his system using Kante and Matic as shields as well while putting Azpi and Cahill to the right and left of Luiz (all 3 excelled in the first season particularly and impressed me with how they adapted to that change). Sarri has to find defensive solutions quick because we've a lot of matches coming up in the next 5 or 6 weeks and we've seen in the past winter time isn't always the best time for the team. This isn't new either, Jorginho for all he does when we have the ball has struggled off it at times too, which he's maybe due a grace period because the tempo in Italy is slower to it is here but still that can only last so long. We've conceded big chances in other games and been lucky, some point the run was due to come unstuck.

Lots of positives still from Sarri's start dont get me wrong but teams with a solid defence always have a chance, we don't have one and I think Luiz and Alonso (although not anywhere near as big a Culprit as Luiz) find themselves struggling too much for my liking.

Every team that we've won titles with has had one thing in common, a solid defence to build upon. You defend as a team and that sure but we've seen Christensen make huge individual errors last season and Luiz putting in poor pefromances this season. Nothing new either before anybody starts with passing out from the back bullshit please do me a favour and save it. Means fuck all if your a liability defensively.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Sarri should figure out how to cover the centrebacks more effectively and find Kante a more fitting role. Right now he's trying to replicate his Napoli team and its Hamsik-Jorginho-Allan midfield but he might have to realize that at Chelsea there are different players available. I think would be more wise to play Kante as a LCM, covering Hazard, Luiz, Jorginho and Alonso/Emerson rather than as a RCM where he is currently being wasted. Other thing about our current system is that the right side is completely unable to create anything as Willian, Kante and Azpilicueta offer very little if anything going forward. Switching Kante's position could make the team more balanced both defensively and offensively. 

For the next league games:

---------Hazard------------------Giroud-----------------------Pedro------------

---------------------------------------------------Barkley/Kovacic----------------

--------------------Kante-------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------Jorginho-----------------------------------------

-----Emerson/Alonso-------------------------------------------Azpilicueta-----

-----------------------Luiz---------------------------Rudiger------------------------

[sainttourist 68]

We didn't progress lately. Main reason, as i see it, because of the good results. So players rather adapt to Sarri tactics than transform, and because of good results Sarri allowed them to play like this, not pushing them. We play from the back, but too slow and not benefit from it much. We press, but rarely win the ball in dangerous situations, and we move ball fast, but again with very carefull approach, so it didn't lead to anything. All this need to change, hopefully Sarri find out how to do it, current football will bring more upsets. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Other teams have started figuring out his weakness, man-mark Jorginho and we fall like a pack of cards. Everton did it against us, we had to sub Jorginho out and now Tottenham have done it agaist us.

We need a plan B, and David Luiz/Alonso will be the death of Sarri, every big team keeps attacking us through that wing but we dont seem to see that it is those two that are costing us. Alonso deceives us that he is a great attacker when he cant cross, dribble and is too slow to save his life. Azpilicueta is also getting on my nerves with his reluctance to attack, but at least he knows how to put in a cross like modern fullbacks do these days( not the fraud Alonso)

Guardiola went and got two fast dribbling fullbacks Kyle walker and Mendy and won the league that season. He sold the slow Kolarov (Alonso) and the non-attacking Sagna(Azpi) to get better. Sarri is underestimating the importance of fullbacks as a whole to the system and that will be his downfall if he doesn't take it seriously.

[manpe 10,861]

I still wish he would try the 4-2-3-1 formation with Kante and Jorginho in double pivot against stronger teams. Kante goes too far up when we get hit by counters, so it's up to the Jorginhos, Luizes and Alonsos to track back against speedsters. We saw how that ended up yesterday with Son's goal. Some tactical flexibility needed or we get predictable (aka honeymoon period ends). Kante and Jorginho would still have the license to bomb forward, but more conservatively than in our current system.

[Vesper 30,175]

7 minutes ago, manpe said:

I still wish he would try the 4-2-3-1 formation with Kante and Jorginho in double pivot against stronger teams. Kante goes too far up when we get hit by counters, so it's up to the Jorginhos, Luizes and Alonsos to track back against speedsters. We saw how that ended up yesterday with Son's goal. Some tactical flexibility needed or we get predictable (aka honeymoon period ends). Kante and Jorginho would still have the license to bomb forward, but more conservatively than in our current system.

I am down with this

or trying the 

3 1 3 3

we came up with

 

                                                       Kepa

 

  Azpi                               AC or Ampadu (fuck Luiz)                                Rudiger

 

                                  <<<<<<<<<Kante>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

                                             

Barkely                                       Jorginho                                                 Kovacic

 

 

Pedro                                            Giroud                                                    Eden

 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Something needs to change. Only lost one yet behind Spurs who have lost 3 and one above Arsenal. The stupid drawers are costing us. Yesterday was a disaster as well. 

How we can say we won't spend in January..

Know things have changed but be harder next year if out of Champions league again. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am down with this

or trying the 

3 1 3 3

we came up with

 

                                                       Kepa

 

  Azpi                               AC or Ampadu (fuck Luiz)                                Rudiger

 

                                  <<<<<<<<<Kante>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

                                             

Barkely                                       Jorginho                                                 Kovacic

 

 

Pedro                                            Giroud                                                    Eden

 

So Kante the only midfielder with any sort of defensive instinct covering that whole area of that pitch himself and playing without any fullbacks at all? Great... might as well have AVBs 433 which was more or less 3 7 1 when we lost the ball 😂

 

Anyway Sarri still needs time, he said one year we will be able to compete. Has it been a year yet? We've had a good start but yet to see Sarriball in its full because he needs more time to fine tune the squad. Results have been good apart from that but look at the footage of the games its been comibg. Defence has been an issue whenever we've tried to play properly open offensive football for years. Sarri sorts that we have a solid platform at least to go off.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

3 hours ago, manpe said:

I still wish he would try the 4-2-3-1 formation with Kante and Jorginho in double pivot against stronger teams. Kante goes too far up when we get hit by counters, so it's up to the Jorginhos, Luizes and Alonsos to track back against speedsters. We saw how that ended up yesterday with Son's goal. Some tactical flexibility needed or we get predictable (aka honeymoon period ends). Kante and Jorginho would still have the license to bomb forward, but more conservatively than in our current system.

                   Kepa

Azpi     Luiz   Rudi   Alonso

       Kante     Jorginho

Eden       Kovacic      Pedro

               Giroud

why not? but Sarri wont do it

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, Johnnyeye said:

                   Kepa

Azpi     Luiz   Rudi   Alonso

       Kante     Jorginho

Eden       Kovacic      Pedro

               Giroud

why not? but Sarri wont do it

I'd stick Barkley instead of Kova in this formation, he's more of a goal threat and probably a more natural nr. 10. But yes doubt we'll see it.

[Tomo 21,751]

5 hours ago, manpe said:

I still wish he would try the 4-2-3-1 formation with Kante and Jorginho in double pivot against stronger teams. Kante goes too far up when we get hit by counters, so it's up to the Jorginhos, Luizes and Alonsos to track back against speedsters. We saw how that ended up yesterday with Son's goal. Some tactical flexibility needed or we get predictable (aka honeymoon period ends). Kante and Jorginho would still have the license to bomb forward, but more conservatively than in our current system.

If he's got a solid idea on what he's trying to build i would rather he sticks to it than adapts to get a few short term results  (especially given it would 99% not be good enough for the title) even if it means a few humblings. If Sarri reverts to the type we have been use to the players subconsciously would revert to a comfort zone and stop fully listening to him and it would be the beginning of thd end of his time here.

Everyone thought Pep was mental not adapting more defensive tactics in his first season, but he stuck to his guns and has arguably created the best PL team ever, we need to stop this reverting to type for short term results as it ultimately ends us back into square one, it's time to build something sustainable. If Sarri ultimately fails results wise here he could still end up creating a style and way of playing someone say Lamps could seemlessly continue on from.

[Vesper 30,175]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

So Kante the only midfielder with any sort of defensive instinct covering that whole area of that pitch himself and playing without any fullbacks at all? Great... might as well have AVBs 433 which was more or less 3 7 1 when we lost the ball 😂

 

Anyway Sarri still needs time, he said one year we will be able to compete. Has it been a year yet? We've had a good start but yet to see Sarriball in its full because he needs more time to fine tune the squad. Results have been good apart from that but look at the footage of the games its been comibg. Defence has been an issue whenever we've tried to play properly open offensive football for years. Sarri sorts that we have a solid platform at least to go off.

You would have cover and width. You have 3 CBs plus a floating  Kante and also 2 MFs who would also take situational rotatings back for defense if the ball is not on their side. It frees up Kante to be a complete hybrid roaming destroyer and gives you width in all 3 zones.

Also, if we dont immediately and massively upgrade at CB, RW and CF we arent going to compete for anything but EL again next year, with Eden gone and probably transfer bans in place.

[the wes 7,212]

sarri needs to ditch 4-3-3 formation and play the 4-2-3-1 formation 

[Vesper 30,175]

4 hours ago, the wes said:

sarri needs to ditch 4-3-3 formation and play the 4-2-3-1 formation 

good luck with that, lolol

 

[mccg 1,528]

Maurizio Sarri's reluctance to rotate is a gamble for Chelsea

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11564365/sarris-selection-gamble

[mccg 1,528]

Chelsea players called in for individual Sarri meetings after Tottenham debacle

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/28/chelsea-players-meetings-sarri-tottenham-debacle

[mccg 1,528]

Chelsea boss Sarri launches stinging attack on Kante for his role in Spurs loss

https://www.givemesport.com/1422849-chelsea-boss-sarri-launches-stinging-attack-on-kante-for-his-role-in-spurs-loss?autoplay=off

[manpe 10,861]

2 hours ago, mccg said:

Maurizio Sarri's reluctance to rotate is a gamble for Chelsea

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11564365/sarris-selection-gamble

Some good points made tbh. Non-rotation doesn't work in EPL, it is more demanding than Italy and even there it backfired. He NEEDS to stop using key players in games where we can afford to rest them (EL and cup ties). Some players are fatigued already I think and it won't get better with games coming thick and fast. There is no reason for the likes of Emerson, CHO and Christensen to be completely frozen out from EPL fixtures.

Chelsea is a different animal to any club he has managed so far, he must be careful not to alienate a large group of the squad, or else we know how that ends up for managers over here.

[mccg 1,528]

53 minutes ago, manpe said:

Some good points made tbh. Non-rotation doesn't work in EPL, it is more demanding than Italy and even there it backfired. He NEEDS to stop using key players in games where we can afford to rest them (EL and cup ties). Some players are fatigued already I think and it won't get better with games coming thick and fast. There is no reason for the likes of Emerson, CHO and Christensen to be completely frozen out from EPL fixtures.

Chelsea is a different animal to any club he has managed so far, he must be careful not to alienate a large group of the squad, or else we know how that ends up for managers over here.

Yeah and also alot of teams have already worked out the Sarri system ,and i don't know how flexible Sarri will be in tweaking it and or personnel,hopefully we hang in the top4 till january and change afew things?!

[Tomo 21,751]

On 27/11/2018 at 5:26 PM, the wes said:

sarri needs to ditch 4-3-3 formation and play the 4-2-3-1 formation 

That formation doesn't work for non counter attack teams, reverting to that formation would render Sarri's appointment and especially what we want him to build null and void.

We commited to this new direction so we have to see it through, no comprises!