The Sarri Thread

[Special Juan 28,141]

Lampard is coming home.

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm still convinced that that the whole Lampard thing is 100% made up, and I'm also convinced Sarri is staying. All of those rumors about Sarri moving back to Italy and Lampard becoming the manager are coming from the italian press, the same one that were saying until days ago that Pepe Guardiola had signed for Juventus.

[Henrique 9,133]

About Lampard, I don't care if he is coming from Championship. Guardiola had no previous experience before managing Barcelona, he only had one year managing Barcelona B. Appointing Lampard is a better choice than appointing someone like Allegri. 

[Special Juan 28,141]

The loan of Higuain was a risk, same with Kovacic or any other middle of the road player we have ended up getting.

Lampard is a risk, but no bigger risk than any of these washed up players and loans we have seen come here and do fuck all.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Come home Frankie you legend

[Atomiswave 6,117]

54 minutes ago, Henrique said:

I'm still convinced that that the whole Lampard thing is 100% made up, and I'm also convinced Sarri is staying. All of those rumors about Sarri moving back to Italy and Lampard becoming the manager are coming from the italian press, the same one that were saying until days ago that Pepe Guardiola had signed for Juventus.

The Lamps one may be BS, but something is up with Sarri. One thing is for sure, Napoli fans wont be happy if he goes to Juve.

[Costa19 858]

Yeah we know Pep had no track record but he had Messi, Iniesta and Xavi FFS. We have... what? Willian and Giroud? 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

The loan of Higuain was a risk, same with Kovacic or any other middle of the road player we have ended up getting.

Lampard is a risk, but no bigger risk than any of these washed up players and loans we have seen come here and do fuck all.

Said it the other day, we've hired successful and/or experienced managers and gotten nowhere with them. Maybe hiring someone new, up-and-coming manager will do us good?

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Yeah we know Pep had no track record but he had Messi, Iniesta and Xavi FFS. We have... what? Willian and Giroud? 

That he did but he also had a vision and plan to rebuild their squad. Got rid of certain big name players and got players that worked for him. 

[Jase 43,479]

16 minutes ago, Mana said:

If I had to choose between Sarri and Lampard, for next season I’ll have to swallow one of the hardest pills and choose Sarri.

Yes, because things will definitely get better under Sarri especially if we can't sign players...

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11 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes, because things will definitely get better under Sarri especially if we can't sign players...

Thats the problem though, with the ban, Sarri will not cut it. He will keep flogging his favorite 12-14 players with the same tactics and way. You couple that with our rivals buying players and it will likely look a bit grim. And we will have CL on top of that, not ideal imo.

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3 minutes ago, Mana said:

I’m not saying it will get better. I’d rather have a different coach. But if I was forced to the corner, I’ll have to stick with Sarri.

Again, Lampard isn’t ready. I know it’s a dream having him coach here and turn Chelsea around but we need to use our heads inside of our hearts and dreams. It is a HUGE ask from him, and one bad season could damage his career.

He didn’t promote Derby to the PL so now it’ll be until Jan 2021 (assuming Derby gets promoted) before I change my mind.

What must Lampard do to prove that he's ready? Manage in the Premier League? Win a trophy? 

It's ironic of me to say this but why do people keep on focusing on the bad side of this potential appointment? What if Lampard comes in and actually does a good job? What if he does well and prove he is more than capable of managing at the highest level already?

It's a huge ask for anyone to turn this club around but if we are to do so, at least give us a manager who isn't stubborn and inflexible in his own ways.

[the wes 7,212]

The ones jumping on the lampard Train I bet ye they will be first ones calling for him to be sacked if he doesn't do well lamps is not ready yet let him gain experience as a manager FFS before going for him 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Sarri isn't as stubborn as he was. He is adapting but slowing. Don't jump on me, I didn't say he was NO LONGER stubborn I said he was less stubborn. 

He grew more confident in CHO. He dropped kovacic for RLC towards the end. He dropped Alonso for Emerson. He doesn't even start Higuain every game because he can see it's not working. 

He won't be successful in my view next season but i don't think he'd be a disaster, a little stability (that's including some stable performances) wouldn't hurt in this turmoil. 

Without Hazard, we may well have to play more quick passes. It's a shame Ruben got injured as well as CHO

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Like you were gonna suddenly say "Lampard is ready for us" had Derby won. 🙄

Well he isnt but again, there would be more faith from me if his team had at least shown up in their biggest game of the season. He isnt ready and should be appointed on merits as a manager, not as an ex player. Big games have veen our Achilles heel this season as well and other than the game vs Leeds from what I have seen of Derby, if we played like that against big teams many people wouldnt be happy.

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8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well he isnt but again, there would be more faith from me if his team had at least shown up in their biggest game of the season. He isnt ready and should be appointed on merits as a manager, not as an ex player. Big games have veen our Achilles heel this season as well and other than the game vs Leeds from what I have seen of Derby, if we played like that against big teams many people wouldnt be happy.

You talked about merit and yet you're judging Lampard based on 1-2 games rather than the entire season season with Derby...

Playing the big teams? Did you see how his Derby played against us and United in the League Cup? 

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6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Come on now. I’m not asking Lampard to win a trophy. Finishing top half mixing with Everton/Leicester/Wolves would be enough.

A good job at what? Transforming Alonso in to Roberto Carlos? 

If he comes in, develops young talent and gets us to finish in the Top 4 again?

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

If he has done well and proved he is more than capable than managing us, he should have promoted Derby for starters. He barely just about made it to the playoff finals.

Again, I’m not saying Lampard should never manage us. But right now this isn’t the time. Stop trying to rush things. Rushing things 8 times out of 10 will lead to failure.

A final can sometimes go either way and furthermore, it's not like Derby came up against some woeful team. Villa were in good form going into the match.

All people have said is "Lampard is not ready", "now isn't the right time for Lampard" bla bla bla but no one seem bothered to even explain why so. 

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5 minutes ago, Mana said:

The chances of that are very low. Besides, what’s stopping him from doing this in 2021? When we are more background information on Lampard?

Chances...Just like when no expected us to qualify for Champions League in April but we somehow fucking did it.

And having another year of Sarri would be like signing your death warrant...

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

It’s not just the final. It’s the whole season. You DO know there’s automatic promotion to the PL, right? If he’s that good, he would have grabbed those instead of gambling in the final.

So you have to get a team automatically promoted to qualify for the job?

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

Neither did the Lampard ins. All you’ve been doing is trying to sell us a dream like Brexit.

And those anti-Lampards are making this as it's the worst idea ever...

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

You talked about merit and yet you're judging Lampard based on 1-2 games rather than the entire season season with Derby...

Playing the big teams? Did you see how his Derby played against us and United in the League Cup? 

What about Derbys spell this season where they were poor as well and dropped points? Do people honestly think Lampard would take over at get better than a 3rd place finish and 2 cup finals? Even which for a poor season with a lot of rumours regarding Sarri getting sacked, at least we got over the line... I know you dont like Sarri and many others dont but to replace him with Lampard next season would be incredibly risky and a mistake. Derby only finished 6th. Yes they got the play offs but 6th in the championship, considering the fact he spent 9m on Waghorn, signed Mount and Wilson on loan(very good calibre for the championship), has the likes of Huddlestone, Carson, Olsson guys with PL experience... you could argue the likes of Biesla or any other manager with those resources would have gotten a higher finish than 6th.

If Sarri goes, which is looking more and more likely each day, Allegri has to be the top choice although he will have many offers. Very good record, expeirence managing big players at Juventus and AC Milan and which should be a massive appeal to this club a winner with both.

Yes 2 league cup games but a lot of championship teams give PL teams tough games in them. Remember we lost to Bradford City years ago? Does that mean their manager would be a good fit? No. David Wagner got promoted with Huddersfield, would he of been good enough? No. Is the bloke who got Villa promoted good enough? No...

If we had any other manager than Sarri you'd disagree regarding Lamps. I also dont see Lampard coming in and playing youth regularly which people are making a case for again (Tomori and Mount maybe good enough for Derby every week but if people are under the impression theyd manage to be regulars next season, for the love of god, squad players maybe but again squad players dont necessarily feature thst often). For all Sarris faults he used Christensen, RLC and Callum this season - yes not a lot early doors but they made more appearances than most other academy products have here in god knows how long. They are at a much better level than Mount and Tomori to play. Reece James is probably more ready and more mature than those 2 to be integrated into the Chelsea squad despite playing for Wigan, who were at the other end of the table. Even Tammy has a much better chance next year.

Lampard (even Gerrard for Liverpool in the future), yes he will hopefully manage us at some point and Id be all for it based on if hes proven himself in some capacity as a manager but next season, that not far too soon? And when we probably only finish 3rd or 4th next year again? Or maybe worse with the transfer ban and Spurs, Arsenal all strengthening? 

You would think Lampard had done a Jose and won the CL with Porto or done a Pep and won countless trophies with Barca.... And theres no such thing as anybody being anti Lampard but there is definitely an anti Sarri agenda.... has been for months. If Sarri goes, considering the shit we have here, transfer ban, losing key players, we need someone with good experience to build us back up. Lampard would be out of his depth.

[Superblue 6,372]

For me, I see next season (assuming the ban is enforced) to be the perfect opportunity to set in motion a rebuild of the squad. With the inflation of transfer fees over the last couple of years, if we were to rebuild fully through the market it could take years.

We have to create pathways for some of our academy to break through to alleviate the pressure of rebuilding through the transfer market. If there are other players like CHO and RLC who show real potential to become important first choice players at the club, then that is phenomenal but ultimately we need to be finding 4 or 5 players who at the very least can become good, dependable squad players. This will prevent us squandering more money in the future on the likes of Zappacosta and Drinkwater and instead be able to use our resources to buy higher quality players because less are required. If we are ever going to get the ball rolling with this, then this coming season is the one to do that in.

My concern with a manager like Allegri or anyone really on the continent with limited or no experience of English football is would it simply present yet another chance for players who haven't been performing? Would someone like Allegri be prepared to give sufficient game time to CHO and Pulisic who should be afforded that next season, or will the reliance be on the experienced, well renowned names of Willian and Pedro? Would Reece James be given first team opportunities or would Azpi be heavily leaned on again to play 50+ games? Would Tammy be given a go over the likes of Morata and Batshuayi?

This is one of the big reasons why if Sarri were to leave, I would choose Lampard. I've said before that I believe Lampard would manage the club with the club coming first as opposed to any manager who would come in with no prior links to Chelsea and put themselves first. I think Lampard would be prepared to give younger players opportunities and freshen up the squad where he can in that regard, even if he wasn't here to 'finish the job' because he would want the long term success of the club. 

The return of Jody Morris should also not be underestimated as part of such a move either. If Lampard is the man prepared to offer these opportunities, being able to lean on the man who is the most experienced coach in dealing with these boys would be a huge coup. There's no one better placed to offer an expert opinion on all of them from ability to character, strengths to weaknesses.

Next season could be and I think will be rough regardless of who is in charge. We're poised to start next season without our talisman, and question marks over the long term fitness of our best centre back and two best young players. At present there are so many gaps within not just our starting XI but our whole squad but a (forced) year of true transition could answer some of these question marks within the squad and even find another player or two who can be last seasons version of CHO and RLC.

I worry that the wrong move (which ironically may be deemed the safe and less risky option) would waste an opportunity to potentially come out of the mess this transfer ban is leaving us in.