The Sarri Thread

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 hours ago, Robchels said:

we have a good/decent squad for a top team, which is only truly competitive when all players are giving 100%

But we Don't!!

They Don't!

We dont have players suited to this style of football.

We either have to buy fully - 100% into it, re build the team to reflect what he is trying to do.

Or we give up again and get the managers revolving door out again who will have the same bunch of players that need to be rebuilt!

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, 0007 said:

In his first season City  got 10 points from the matches against the other 5  teams in the "Big Six". Our current tally is 7 points and we still have 3 games to play. They didn't reach any of the domestic cups' finals(in fact, they were eliminated by the only two big opponents they faced - Arsenal and MU, while we've already beaten Tottenham and Liverpool), Monaco eliminated them early in the CL's knockout stage and they  had only 5 points more than us at the same stage of the season(and they even failed to win the next 4 games - 3 draws and 1 loss). 

 They lost back-to-back games(against us and against City) in which they conceded 7 goals and were hammered by Everton(4:0) a month later. They won only one out of six  games between 8th  March and 5th April. 

Sure but with the way things are going, Sarri will end up with zero trophy and a worse record than Guardiola, that is assuming he stays till the end of the season.

9 hours ago, 0007 said:

The problem is the difference between Sarri's and Guardiola's backgrounds. But let's not pretend that City were world-beaters back then. 

I don't think I was pretending City were world beaters back then and no, the difference between Sarri and Guardiola is that while they both play attacking football, Guardiola is far more adaptable in his methods to achieve that style while Sarri is stuck with his predictable, one tricky pony method to implement the style. The fact that we're playing bingo with Sarri's subs each game these days says it all. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 hour ago, Johnnyeye said:

 Salah, De Bruyne, Lukaku, etc to leave without any proper buyback 

These are more of Mou fault rather than the board 

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

12 minutes ago, communicate said:

These are more of Mou fault rather than the board 

but the board are the ones who dictate tranfers not the managers, they have no vision.

[communicate 2,703]

6 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

but the board are the ones who dictate tranfers not the managers, they have no vision.

Mou did not want Lukaku, kdb and salah. I understand if they are youth player but they are not. People want the board to support the manager, so they sold the player that the manager did not want and signed (Diego, Cesc, filipe Luis and Willian) players that the manager want. 

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

2 minutes ago, communicate said:

Mou did not want Lukaku, kdb and salah. I understand if they are youth player but they are not. People want the board to support the manager, so they sold the player that the manager did not want and signed (Diego, Cesc, filipe Luis and Willian) players that the manager want. 

like i said before the board have no vision, regardless of who the manager wants or not.

[El P. 1,354]

Sometimes you need to touch very bottom to really start rebuilding things. More and more I want just that scenario to happen. I am sick of this, every two years, having false hope and false image of our team and club as a whole. We are cheaply stitching scar after scar every year, but it would be healthier to just go to the hospital.

Touch the fucking bottom. Reveal all of our mistakes. And then let's start again. Maybe that shakes whole club up.

[Antonio8 736]

11 minutes ago, El P. said:

Sometimes you need to touch very bottom to really start rebuilding things. More and more I want just that scenario to happen. I am sick of this, every two years, having false hope and false image of our team and club as a whole. We are cheaply stitching scar after scar every year, but it would be healthier to just go to the hospital.

Touch the fucking bottom. Reveal all of our mistakes. And then let's start again. Maybe that shakes whole club up.

let's wait the next summer, with the departures of hazard, luiz, willian, drinkwater, moses, giroud, cahill, zappacosta, kovacic 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Also, what the fuck is the crack with this 'media watch' crap on the official site? Is it just one big distraction from the shit carnage going on right now?

It's very cringe worthy.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Johnnyeye said:

but the board are the ones who dictate tranfers not the managers, they have no vision.

Nah, always both. You can't sell or buy player without at least letting the manager know beforehand. Put it this way if Mou said kdb, salah and Lukaku is important part of my squad, we wil not let them go. 

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, El P. said:

Sometimes you need to touch very bottom to really start rebuilding things. More and more I want just that scenario to happen. I am sick of this, every two years, having false hope and false image of our team and club as a whole. We are cheaply stitching scar after scar every year, but it would be healthier to just go to the hospital.

Touch the fucking bottom. Reveal all of our mistakes. And then let's start again. Maybe that shakes whole club up.

At this point I personally don't care anymore if they fire Sarri because the pressure on Sarri is too much. I have a feeling he will get fired sooner rather than later because most Chelsea fans doesn't like Sarri football although big picture wise we are not in a very bad spot. They much prefer we go back to Conte/Mou football. I remember somebody in this forum while watching El classico mentioned that we should teach this team how to defend. I was amazed, you can't ask team to play offensive football and sit deep for long period of time. That is not how they defend. 

Sarri mistake imo was telling the board that we only need one player (jorginho) and this team can play his football. I'll be surprised if he honestly think that is the case right now. 

For me decide what the team want to be. If they want to play Sarri style then stick at least with him till next year. Don't listen to the pundit, most of them have no clue what they are talking about. If they decide nope, this sarri experiment is not working. Then hire maybe a coach like simeone. By doing this at least our transfer policy align well. If keep changing between different playstyle, it will be a mess. 

[manpe 10,861]

17 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Ive said it before. Its because the previous 2 managers (and the board) brought in players that suited their defensive ways of playing.

I don't think they necessarily pushed for exclusively defensive players. Conte wanted Sandro to replace Alonso for example. It's just that the board bought shit and that lack of quality forced Conte to play defensively.

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

I don't think they necessarily pushed for exclusively defensive players. Conte wanted Sandro to replace Alonso for example. It's just that the board bought shit and that lack of quality forced Conte to play defensively.

No bud didn't mean necessarily BUYING defensive players (tho it's a shame Conte didn't get some of his wants) but having the ones we had defending at all cost. So much so that their natural instinct to attack and score goals wtent by the wayside.

What Sarri is now doing tho is using the players that Mou and the Don bought (along with some who was already here pre Mou mkII) and trying to get them to play his way of football.

Hes trying to make a silk sheet out of a patchwork quilt.

I'm not making any excuses for Sarri as I think hes at fault too but this aint no 1 sided problem we have. And it won't be solved purely by getting a new manager no matter who it is.

[Antonio8 736]

13 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

No bud didn't mean necessarily BUYING defensive players (tho it's a shame Conte didn't get some of his wants) but having the ones we had defending at all cost. So much so that their natural instinct to attack and score goals wtent by the wayside.

What Sarri is now doing tho is using the players that Mou and the Don bought (along with some who was already here pre Mou mkII) and trying to get them to play his way of football.

Hes trying to make a silk sheet out of a patchwork quilt.

I'm not making any excuses for Sarri as I think hes at fault too but this aint no 1 sided problem we have. And it won't be solved purely by getting a new manager no matter who it is.

I completely agree. 

besides this, for years fans were asking for someone with attacking mentality, now there is one coach with offensive mentality 

that he is trying to begin a difficult process of changing and he is criticized because of the results (the truth is this)  

people believe that you can switch from a defensive football to an offensive football in 6 months, with the same players that last year 

played counter-attack football. 

need patience here, and to be united, the fans, the players, the coach, the board, to go beyond their limits and improving year after year 

 

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

15 hours ago, BluesMadLad said:

 

I hope he stays too. Am sick to death of this merry go round of managers and players, so what we are losing, when had learning a completely different style of play ever been easy. You learn more about your self and the team when your at your worst, some times u have to take a couple of steps back to go forward. And in regards to he only makes the same subs...... Who the fuck eles do we actually have to bring on? 

the subs are inexcusable.  Who else do we have to bring on? There is options, he just needs to be flexible.  Its really not rocket science, he is too stubborn

 

Any other manager, would come in and make use of the squad and vary the subs.  Because they adjust. Any top top manager adjusts, and adapts.  It's nothing admirable on Sarri's part, its foolishness

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Zappacosta for Azpilicueta was arguably the worst sub you'll see this season.  Inexcusable. Infact, it was baffling. 

 

We will win tonight quite comfortably youd imagine, but it's Malmo.  Even Blackpool would give them a game. (mind you, we'd have lost last week if it were a decent outfit)  I have never approached a final with such dread. I'd love to see this sarriball in action, at its best.

 

But i also want the club to appoint a manager with some nous and understanding how to change a football match and improve your chances of winning

[manpe 10,861]

17 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

I completely agree. 

besides this, for years fans were asking for someone with attacking mentality, now there is one coach with offensive mentality 

that he is trying to begin a difficult process of changing and he is criticized because of the results (the truth is this)  

people believe that you can switch from a defensive football to an offensive football in 6 months, with the same players that last year 

played counter-attack football. 

need patience here, and to be united, the fans, the players, the coach, the board, to go beyond their limits and improving year after year 

 

I get what you're saying, this is something I'd been saying until recently and in general it is true. But you just have to look at what Sarri is and isn't doing and it becomes clear that he doesn't have what it takes to lead us to success. You have a winger (CHO) and a striker (Giroud) on the bench, yet he brings on a defender for a defender in a competition you're about to crash out from, nothing to lose anymore - all to win. Defender for a defender, fuck's sake.  It's not an isolated case either, his game management has been shit all season when things get tough, but that one just took the cake. Predictability? The easiest manager to plan against, you know every single time how and who he will play and what his subs will be. Defeatist comments in pressers? I'd rather take "suffering" than somebody who flat out admits he's got no idea.

If he showed some reactions and some signs that he knows what he's doing and changing things up while maintaining his core philosophy and improving the team (the infamous Pep and Klopp comparisons, but they at least tried different things until they got where they wanted)... but it's not been like that! No reaction, no nothing. Aurelio De Laurentiis had a point about him.

[Fernando 6,585]

17 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Zappacosta for Azpilicueta was arguably the worst sub you'll see this season.  Inexcusable. Infact, it was baffling. 

 

We will win tonight quite comfortably youd imagine, but it's Malmo.  Even Blackpool would give them a game. (mind you, we'd have lost last week if it were a decent outfit)  I have never approached a final with such dread. I'd love to see this sarriball in action, at its best.

 

But i also want the club to appoint a manager with some nous and understanding how to change a football match and improve your chances of winning

Carlo used to do that. It's something the Italians see that we don't. 

[Antonio8 736]

35 minutes ago, manpe said:

I get what you're saying, this is something I'd been saying until recently and in general it is true. But you just have to look at what Sarri is and isn't doing and it becomes clear that he doesn't have what it takes to lead us to success. You have a winger (CHO) and a striker (Giroud) on the bench, yet he brings on a defender for a defender in a competition you're about to crash out from, nothing to lose anymore - all to win. Defender for a defender, fuck's sake.  It's not an isolated case either, his game management has been shit all season when things get tough, but that one just took the cake. Predictability? The easiest manager to plan against, you know every single time how and who he will play and what his subs will be. Defeatist comments in pressers? I'd rather take "suffering" than somebody who flat out admits he's got no idea.

If he showed some reactions and some signs that he knows what he's doing and changing things up while maintaining his core philosophy and improving the team (the infamous Pep and Klopp comparisons, but they at least tried different things until they got where they wanted)... but it's not been like that! No reaction, no nothing. Aurelio De Laurentiis had a point about him.

1) the sub question:  also in napoli he made the same sub, always the same at the same minute,  so if the board take him, the board must know this 

2) predictability: his game becomes predictable because some players don't respect his indications: it's from september that he talks about movements without the ball, but hazard, willian, kovacic are just not good in that. If in a possession football, players don't go without the ball the entire system doesn't work (see how city plays, with sane and sterling) 

3)defeatist comments in pressers: like point 1. the same was in napoli experience 

4) I think that he will change something if the board gives him some time 

[manpe 10,861]

4 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

1) the sub question:  also in napoli he made the same sub, always the same at the same minute,  so if you (the board) take him, you (the board) must know this 

2) predictability: his game becomes predictable because some players don't respect his indications: it's from september that he talks about movements without the ball, but hazard, willian, kovacic are just not good in that. If in a possession football, players don't go without the ball the entire system doesn't work (see how city plays, with sane and sterling) 

3)defeatist comments in pressers: like point 1. the same was in napoli experience 

4) I think that he will change something if the board gives him some time 

I don't care what he did in Napoli and our board has proven to be clueless time and time again. I now see the reality of who he is and I don't like it. I knew he got Napoli playing some delicious stuff, but had no idea he was so stubborn... I also can't see such a one-dimensional manager winning anything meaningful. It's all tease and no cumshot with him.