Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Nuno. Hasenhuttl. Hell, might not even hurt to just hire an upcoming manager like Lampard since we've hired successful managers and somewhat less managers but are philosophers and gotten nowhere with both.

Changing manager isn't great but sticking with Sarri isn't great either based on what we've seen this season. I would be willing to see Sarri stay if there has been progression, a promise that things will get better next season. But nope. We've been going from one disaster to another or if not, looking like idiots out there and Sarri has shown himself to be clueless in different things.

Nuno and Hasenhuttle. I think they would be an ever bigger risk than Sarri was. Decent up and coming managers in terms of building their reputations in England but I think with the incredible demand and pressures here theyd be out of their league. I do have high hopes for Hasenhuttle though, even at Leipzig he showed promise but in my eyes, he needs to do another full season in the PL and take Southampton to the sort of level Pochettino did, with a very exciting team, bringing so many players on to a better level. Poch led them to 8th , highest PL finish theyve ever had and had managed to get I dont know how many players in the England set up (Shaw, Lallana, Clyne, Jay Rodriguez, Lambert) and even now theirs a stat that he has worked with 15 of the last 30 players to make their England debut in the last however long. Hassenhuttl has got a bit to prove over here still, hes doing well but I still think Marco Silva should be the reminder that a decent half a season doesnt mean anything or thst you can cut it at a higher level.

Regarding Sarri I hope has discovered this season that managing Napoli and Chelsea are two completely different things too so I would expect next season to be better, for him to be more demanding and get a better, consistent season than what we had this one.

Lampard isnt anywhere near ready for us yet, he still needs time to build his reputation and Derby are one of those clubs youve no idea what they will do regarding their managers, I mean they sacked Paul Clement who had them 2nd a couple of seasons ago and have had a lot of different managers in recent times. Ex players dont always make hugely successful coaches, even regarding Zola as an assistant here, before he was an assistant his coaching career is hardly that good. So Frank definitely still needs time to build his coaching reputation and gain experience. He has the right personality from being a top player but I would say he still has to forge himself a reputation from doing it at the likes of a Derby and then kick on from there and go to the PL in some capacity.

Did you think this season would have gone smoothly when he was appointed in the summer? I think it was always going to be a huge ask for him to come in, make an instant change and get everything working so well. Regardless of how superior Klopp and Pep are to Sarri, they did not have instant success in England like Conte or Pellegrini did in their first seasons because it is very rare that managers come in first season and win trophies in the PL these days because the money and calibre of top teams around is huge. No doubt, Klopp is a fantastic coach, was a big fan of watching his Dortmund teams but it has taken him huge amounts of time to get that team that good. They finished 8th the year he came in, 4th the next year and 4th last year. How many trophies? Have Liverpool really been that successful under him in the same way we were successful in the period of 10-15 years ago? Not even gonna speak about Pep his career speaks for itself despite whst people think of him he is up there.

We will finish 5th this year more than likely, have already been in a cup final and have the chance to be in another. As bad as our season seems, in terms of a reference point its probably decent enough for Sarri, someone who has never won anything, had to change formations, a way of playing, deal with a squad that lacks in areas compared to City, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool.

With this pending transfer ban, it makes next season difficult but I think another season, proper full pre season this time (maybe not a huge problem but there was a lot of uncertainty this summer with the whole Conte situation) I have plenty of optimism that next sesson will be different. Also I think we will see more of Ruben, Callum, hopefully Reece James will also get a chance. Its not much to go off but who knows next season could be very different, I think Klopp and Pep even adjusted their ways slightly after their first year in the PL. Sarri as stubborn as he is maybe he will too a bit, because as you and many have said before it can be infuriating but I think he has to stick to his guns and go with his gut to implement his identity on the team before making any tweaks. I wouldn't even say we are playing anything like his Napoli side did in his second or third season, so theres still massive potential if we can get to that level.

Anyway. Signings are needed regardless of whoever the manager is. Ban or no ban, 4 or 5 good players would make a huge difference.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Did you think this season would have gone smoothly when he was appointed in the summer? I think it was always going to be a huge ask for him to come in, make an instant change and get everything working so well. Regardless of how superior Klopp and Pep are to Sarri, they did not have instant success in England like Conte or Pellegrini did in their first seasons because it is very rare that managers come in first season and win trophies in the PL these days because the money and calibre of top teams around is huge. No doubt, Klopp is a fantastic coach, was a big fan of watching his Dortmund teams but it has taken him huge amounts of time to get that team that good. They finished 8th the year he came in, 4th the next year and 4th last year. How many trophies? Have Liverpool really been that successful under him in the same way we were successful in the period of 10-15 years ago? Not even gonna speak about Pep his career speaks for itself despite whst people think of him he is up there.

No, I didn't expect the season to be smooth sailing but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting some form of progression or improvement under Sarri. With Pep, with Klopp in their first season, you could see what they were trying to do, you could see they were willing to adapt, make tactical tweaks etc but with Sarri, it's been very messy and it's hard to say that 'yes, things will get better' with all the BS-ness he's pulled off this season. And this is what I keep coming back to when people say Sarri should stay on for a second season. People either counter opposing arguments or in this case, use examples of other managers to justify sticking with Sarri. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE THIS SEASON? What has Sarri done this season to deserve a second season, especially after countless of embarrassments in 2019 alone?!

[Atomiswave 6,117]

To me its safe to say Sarii has been a disaster on every front. Name one good thing he has done? Sure the squad is not up to par, but its still decent enough to play much better. Tactically he is horrible, I always thought Italians were astute tacticians, he definitely aint. Too freaking stubborn.....his 2 love childs gone bad. A pre-season will not rid us of all this. A badly flawed motivator, yes every team needs a motivator, you are deluding yourself if you think its not needed. For all the good managers we have sacked for much much less this clueless board decides to stick with this one......our stock has fallen thanks to the board and only getting worse with Sarii.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

No, I didn't expect the season to be smooth sailing but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting some form of progression or improvement under Sarri. With Pep, with Klopp in their first season, you could see what they were trying to do, you could see they were willing to adapt, make tactical tweaks etc but with Sarri, it's been very messy and it's hard to say that 'yes, things will get better' with all the BS-ness he's pulled off this season. And this is what I keep coming back to when people say Sarri should stay on for a second season. People either counter opposing arguments or in this case, use examples of other managers to justify sticking with Sarri. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE THIS SEASON? What has Sarri done this season to deserve a second season, especially after countless of embarrassments in 2019 alone?!

For sure.....those 2 have a track record, they have won before, you could see what they were doing, you could see progress, willing to mix it up and to change tactics, formations etc. Any supporter can right now tell you how will setup and play, what subs and when. He is like an open book.....pure delight for any manager we are playing against. If we somehow defeat Frankfurt, Emery will have us for dinner.

[Antonio8 736]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

No, I didn't expect the season to be smooth sailing but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting some form of progression or improvement under Sarri. With Pep, with Klopp in their first season, you could see what they were trying to do, you could see they were willing to adapt, make tactical tweaks etc but with Sarri, it's been very messy and it's hard to say that 'yes, things will get better' with all the BS-ness he's pulled off this season. And this is what I keep coming back to when people say Sarri should stay on for a second season. People either counter opposing arguments or in this case, use examples of other managers to justify sticking with Sarri. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE THIS SEASON? What has Sarri done this season to deserve a second season, especially after countless of embarrassments in 2019 alone?!

you have to wait the end of the season to answer that, maybe he will reach the targets maybe not  

[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

No, I didn't expect the season to be smooth sailing but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting some form of progression or improvement under Sarri. With Pep, with Klopp in their first season, you could see what they were trying to do, you could see they were willing to adapt, make tactical tweaks etc but with Sarri, it's been very messy and it's hard to say that 'yes, things will get better' with all the BS-ness he's pulled off this season. And this is what I keep coming back to when people say Sarri should stay on for a second season. People either counter opposing arguments or in this case, use examples of other managers to justify sticking with Sarri. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE THIS SEASON? What has Sarri done this season to deserve a second season, especially after countless of embarrassments in 2019 alone?!

There's a hell of a lot of re writing history with Klopp's early time at Liverpool.

His first season he oversaw statically their worse season for about half a century and he didn't sort out the defensive woes for over two years giving the likes of Lovren, Moreno and the two chuckle brother in goal chance after chance before finally replacing them in the market, as recently as last season some Liverpool fans turned against Klopp for it.

Up until the back end of last season, there was absolutely no signs whatsoever that Klopp was going to have Liverpool anywhere near the level they currently are.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Antonio8 said:

you have to wait the end of the season to answer that, maybe he will reach the targets maybe not  

Even if we win the Europa League and/or finish in the Top 4, it doesn't take away the fact that Sarri hasn't done greatly this season.

[Antonio8 736]

Just now, Jason said:

Even if we win the Europa League and/or finish in the Top 4, it doesn't take away the fact that Sarri hasn't done greatly this season.

lol 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

There's a hell of a lot of re writing history with Klopp's early time at Liverpool.

His first season he oversaw statically their worse season for about half a century and he didn't sort out the defensive woes for over two years giving the likes of Lovren, Moreno and the two chuckle brother in goal chance after chance before finally replacing them in the market, as recently as last season some Liverpool fans turned against Klopp for it.

Up until the back end of last season, there was absolutely no signs whatsoever that Klopp was going to have Liverpool anywhere near the level they currently are.

It was slow but there was progression. He started improving Liverpool from the front before going backwards. 

[Fernando 6,585]

I'm starting to realize that the coming years are going to be another golden years of youth. Since the Lampard, Terry, Scholes, Rooney and what not. 

The German teams are realizing this and thus wanting to get the younger players from the PL. 

Mourinho nor Conte where good for this. Sarri was not until recently. He has bought me a bit with the treatment of RLC. 

I want to give him next season and see what kind of progress we get with our youth because we need to have a manager that will play youth and help them develop. 

[Henrique 9,133]

Its pretty funny:

-People says Sarri must say, because Guardiola was also bad in his first season, then became superb in 2 season.

-Same people go to European Football topic and call Guardiola a fraud after he is out of UCL.

[Henrique 9,133]

16 hours ago, Tomo said:

Four games away from the end of the league and we are 4 points of last seasons total, you would think/hope we will at the very worst match it. 

Considering Conte job last season was as bad as our famous renegades: Scolari and Villas Boas, I won't read too much into matching the total points of last season.

Sarri is probably the worst manager of Abramovich era. He doesn't deserve another season. 

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

No, I didn't expect the season to be smooth sailing but I don't think there is anything wrong with expecting some form of progression or improvement under Sarri. With Pep, with Klopp in their first season, you could see what they were trying to do, you could see they were willing to adapt, make tactical tweaks etc but with Sarri, it's been very messy and it's hard to say that 'yes, things will get better' with all the BS-ness he's pulled off this season. And this is what I keep coming back to when people say Sarri should stay on for a second season. People either counter opposing arguments or in this case, use examples of other managers to justify sticking with Sarri. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE THIS SEASON? What has Sarri done this season to deserve a second season, especially after countless of embarrassments in 2019 alone?!

I think its clear to see what hes trying to implenent, no? Whether or not, Sarri is for some people or not but for anybody to say they cant see what hes trying to do here is a bit naive in all honesty. The way of playing is totally the opposite of what it was last year. Playing out at every opportunity, taking the game to the opposition, having more possession, more pressure higher up the pitch to recover the ball. Its clesd to see, although attack is not effective.

Lets not forget Klopp and Pep again (although they are better coaches) were stubborn in their first seasons, Pep suffered some heavy loses in his first season and people said his style "would not work", fast forward to his 3rd season, hes potentially gonna be the first manager to win the PL 2 years in a row since Sir Alex Ferguson. Yes hes signed players, changed things but his first season probably mirrors Sarris in a lot of ways, City struggled for consistency, remember they got turned over 4-2 by Leicester, beat 4-0 by Everton, lost to us, United, Spurs, Arsenal... also drew with Boro and Southampton and people were unconvinced that his style was sustainable.

I think Sarri deserves every chance to have another season, the change in style is massive, its towards the style of football fans and even the owner has wanted to see associated with this club since Pep burst onto the scene at Barca as a manager. Or look at it this way, for instance put any coach here, even another guy doing the reverse of what Sarri is doing changing the philosophy with a squad of players that arent suited or arent his players. Do you bin him after a year? Yes weve not put any trees up this season but neither did we under Jose in our first year of his 2nd spell although we still got top 4 but the work he'd got in to the team along with a few top additions helped us win the league. 2nd half of the season we ground a lot of results out playing like we did under Jose in some of those games against the bigger and better sides the previous season. Your saying what has Sarri shown this year, yes not a massive deal but again you can see whats tryna be implemented. I dont know if Pep or even Klopp would do a lot lot better with this squad, with Morata for half a season and Higuain for the next half of it. With average back line and no creativity in midfield. They are elite coaches but hardly miracle workers, still feel Conte was very lucky he inherited a squad that had the brilliance of Hazard, 20 goals a season striker in Costa, Cesc who could turn a game in a pass and Matic whos steady performances along side Kante gave us a massive chance. Doesnt take away all the changes he made but still if we had a 20 goal a season striker and a creative midfielder wed be top 4. 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

It was slow but there was progression

So you have seen no progression under Sarri? 

I see a team that has endured 2 managers who imposed conservative methods. Sarri comes in, and I see that same team improve in ball retention and the ability to play out from the back under pressure. Better than we ever have. 

2 hours ago, Jason said:

 He started improving Liverpool from the front before going backwards. 

And Sarri is changing the playing culture of the team before upgrading on what we have. 

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

Its pretty funny:

-People says Sarri must say, because Guardiola was also bad in his first season, then became superb in 2 season.

-Same people go to European Football topic and call Guardiola a fraud after he is out of UCL.

Only fools call Pep a fraud. 

Anyone with a right mind can see the differences he has done for the teams. 

Just because he gets bad luck in CL does not mean much. 

The real test is always the league, and he has transform city immense in the league.