Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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Just now, DDA said:

It was a breath of fresh air. He took the burden on his shoudlers and represented the donkies he is trying to coach. That takes a real man. It is just a shame our selfish players don't recognise this.

Even if the players had come to apologize, they would probably have gotten abused.

In any case, action speaks louder than words. Would rather Sarri start being less stubborn and all that and the players buck up the ideas on the pitch rather than throw some hollow words around.

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1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

And you would expect Sarri to bring the same methods he used there and I am 100% he did that, but why it is not working? It's either because the players are not good enough or simply don't want to pick up his methods.

 

Or because his methods do not work in more physical and much faster league than Serie A. Also, see how bad his Napoli was in Champions League/Europa League.

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

Maurizio Sarri’s job is safe but ball-hogging tedium at Chelsea cannot go on

he's done then. players will sabotage him for sure.

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2 hours ago, DDA said:

Who the fuck is going to want this job after Sarri?

Only Lampard can get away with following and losing more thaa handful of games.

The state of this club is leaving me feeling depressed. It really is.

No top manager will want the job if we sack Sarri this season. Like him or not, he is highly regarded in the football world, both for his football ideas/tactics and his ethos, I have read so many interviews of players and managers who were praising him. I am afraid that sacking him will have a really negative impact on our already bad reputation with managers.

And that is exactly what baffles me the most. Are all those Chelsea fans that are asking for his head considering the implications of sacking him, or they just want to see Chelsea winning the next match even if it means that we will never have a long term plan as a club? I am not even taking part in the whole "who's fault is it" debate, i am just tired of talking the same fucking things every couple of years and genuinely worried about the direction that our club is taking.

As for Frank, i really hope he stays the fuck away from this club as long as we have the current set of players and mainly the current board. The fans will turn against him after a year or even less.

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11 hours ago, Jason said:

Yeah but they adapted, eventually. Our problems are clear and obvious but is Sarri doing anything? Nope. No tactical tweaks, no switch of formation, no nothing!

Again, you are confusing the criticism of Sarri with his style. Have no issues about with his style, but rather how he's going about it to implement that style!

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too.

Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years,  yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

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I think we have lost sight of what Sarri is TRYING to do and what happens in it.

Everyone moaning bitching whining about the sideways,backpassing - thats for a reason. But its pointless UNLESS the players take advantage of the spaces it creates.

You say he doesn't try new things and is stubborn. OK yes in some ways.

But please - just do me a favor. Go grab the Shitty game - only played it 2 months ago.

We had a OK 1st half. Sarri went in at half time told them some changes and we came out and took them apart.

 

Shitty like everyone else sat back tight waiting.

We was passing it sideways,back,sideways,forward,back and thats to get the other team to come out and get pissed off.

It worked.

It brought out the forwards and broke up their shape.

Our lads saw it and they were in like Flynn!"

We took control of the center 1/3 of the pitch real tight. Even Kepa was 1/2 way up to the 1/2 way line.

Wee Baldy Man was closer to Jorgi for backup, but still close enough to press high up.

That there was our perfect set up.

I had been away and not seen a game in months and the very 1st thing I did when I got in was grab that game, I didn;t even know what the result was before hand.

 

It just blew me away how great we played. I was throwing myself around my chair I couldn't believe we were so good.

But the problem is we fuckin forget that. We supporters forget it. The players forget it.

This Sarri system CAN work. But the players HAVE to play it and not just do whatever the fuck they want!

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I just saw this. The 24 man squad named for the rest of the season!!

Chelsea Premier League squad

(*Home grown)

Alonso Mendoza, Marcos

Arrizabalaga Revuelta, Kepa

Azpilicueta Tanco, Cesar

Barkley, Ross*

Borges Da Silva, Willian

Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel

Cahill, Gary James*

Christensen, Andreas Bodtker*

Drinkwater, Daniel Noel*

Giroud, Olivier

Green, Robert Paul*

Hazard, Eden

Higuain, Gonzalo Gerardo

Jorge Luiz, Frello Filho

Kante, Ngolo

Kovacic, Mateo

Loftus Cheek, Ruben*

Luiz Moreira Marinho, David

Palmieri Dos Santos, Emerson

Piazon, Lucas Domingues*

Rodriguez Ledesma, Pedro Eliezer

Rudiger, Antonio

Van Ginkel, Marco Wulfert Cornelius

Zappacosta, Davide

Now doesn't that fill you all with cofidence!!! 

 

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1st half against city was ok? It was embarrassing..

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too.

Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years,  yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

This pep adapt. Lol lol. I was laughing at all this pundit that say pep need to change his football to suit epl. Nope, that is not the problem. It was as simple as changing fb and gk. Problem solved. 

What people want is for us to basically forget about trying to develop Sarri football, he should maximize this team potential rather than developing his football . Then what is the point of hiring Sarri. It is like if we hire klopp but our team is suck at pressing so let's not press or hire pep but our team does not not know how to play possession football, so let's play on the counter more. 

 

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8 hours ago, whats happening said:

he's done then. players will sabotage him for sure.

The manager is stubborn to adapt and that's the player's fault. Of course!

8 hours ago, BlueSunshine said:

No top manager will want the job if we sack Sarri this season. Like him or not, he is highly regarded in the football world, both for his football ideas/tactics and his ethos, I have read so many interviews of players and managers who were praising him. I am afraid that sacking him will have a really negative impact on our already bad reputation with managers.

I'm sure you can easily find comments from managers that they still highly regard Mourinho. But does that really mean much?

8 hours ago, BlueSunshine said:

And that is exactly what baffles me the most. Are all those Chelsea fans that are asking for his head considering the implications of sacking him, or they just want to see Chelsea winning the next match even if it means that we will never have a long term plan as a club? I am not even taking part in the whole "who's fault is it" debate, i am just tired of talking the same fucking things every couple of years and genuinely worried about the direction that our club is taking

Has anyone considered that maybe Sarri's and methods just do not work in England? Has anyone considered maybe this job is just too big for someone like Sarri, who let's face it, only has decent success at ONE club for 1-2 seasons. Have seen plenty of people who want Sarri to stay but have not seen a convincing argument on why he should stay based on what he is doing THIS season. All the arguments have just been (a) look at Guardiola/Klopp's first season and look where they are now, (b) he needs time, his own players or basically, (c) it's the players' fault or (d) backing the manager for the sake of it. Sarri has shown that he incapable of adapting, be flexible etc and those were some of the things we criticized Mourinho, Conte for in the past and some even wanted them out because of that. So, why is Sarri getting the free pass now? No manager will succeed at the highest level if he's stubborn and can't adapt.

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

How did they adapt? They still play the same styles they've always used in their careers... its just better because they were more persistent with it at the beginning. Klopp and Pep both still hardly rotate that often too.

Sometimes to change the culture and style you need to be more drastic, if Sarri has to do what he has to do to get us there then so be it. Seems some people just dont want to change and would rather we were this quick fix team who changed manager every 2 years,  yes theres been success but success wont always happen with this method.

For the love of god Ryan, I'm not asking Sarri to change his style but rather how he's going about in implementing it! Are you really telling me that you're happy with Sarri just rolling out the 4-3-3, same like-for-like players, making no tactical alterations, no Plan B?! Even some of the poorer sides in the league are finding it easy to play against us! Klopp and Guardiola have their style but unlike Sarri, they aren't averse to making changes, to tweaking things! Am all for the manager to stay long term but in Sarri's case, he is showing that he's a one trick pony and he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to be that, regardless of his style.  

And oh, Klopp and Guardiola hardly rotate that often? There's a game like every 3-4 days in England, you can't say that they do not rotate often. Plus, have seen people go nuts over their Fantasy Premier League team every week because of Guardiola's constant rotation.

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Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

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21 minutes ago, mccg said:

Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

They're probably the same back stabbing snake cunts thats always kissed her arse!

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

I just saw this. The 24 man squad named for the rest of the season!!

Chelsea Premier League squad

(*Home grown)

Alonso Mendoza, Marcos

Arrizabalaga Revuelta, Kepa

Azpilicueta Tanco, Cesar

Barkley, Ross*

Borges Da Silva, Willian

Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel

Cahill, Gary James*

Christensen, Andreas Bodtker*

Drinkwater, Daniel Noel*

Giroud, Olivier

Green, Robert Paul*

Hazard, Eden

Higuain, Gonzalo Gerardo

Jorge Luiz, Frello Filho

Kante, Ngolo

Kovacic, Mateo

Loftus Cheek, Ruben*

Luiz Moreira Marinho, David

Palmieri Dos Santos, Emerson

Piazon, Lucas Domingues*

Rodriguez Ledesma, Pedro Eliezer

Rudiger, Antonio

Van Ginkel, Marco Wulfert Cornelius

Zappacosta, Davide

Now doesn't that fill you all with cofidence!!! 

 

Barella and Kante in a double pivot.

Oh wait........

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46 minutes ago, mccg said:

Chelsea boss Sarri thinks backroom staff are LEAKING information to Granovskaia - Castles

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1081443/Chelsea-Maurizio-Sarri-Granovskaia-Roman-Abramovich-Duncan-Castles

The plot thickens

Are we seriously taking shit from Mourinho's mouthpiece that is Duncan Castles now?

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Barella and Kante in a double pivot.

Oh wait........

You have those same dreams I do eh!

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

The manager is stubborn to adapt and that's the player's fault. Of course!

I'm sure you can easily find comments from managers that they still highly regard Mourinho. But does that really mean much?

Has anyone considered that maybe Sarri's and methods just do not work in England? Has anyone considered maybe this job is just too big for someone like Sarri, who let's face it, only has decent success at ONE club for 1-2 seasons. Have seen plenty of people who want Sarri to stay but have not seen a convincing argument on why he should stay based on what he is doing THIS season. All the arguments have just been (a) look at Guardiola/Klopp's first season and look where they are now, (b) he needs time, his own players or basically, (c) it's the players' fault or (d) backing the manager for the sake of it. Sarri has shown that he incapable of adapting, be flexible etc and those were some of the things we criticized Mourinho, Conte for in the past and some even wanted them out because of that. So, why is Sarri getting the free pass now? No manager will succeed at the highest level if he's stubborn and can't adapt.

For the love of god Ryan, I'm not asking Sarri to change his style but rather how he's going about in implementing it! Are you really telling me that you're happy with Sarri just rolling out the 4-3-3, same like-for-like players, making no tactical alterations, no Plan B?! Even some of the poorer sides in the league are finding it easy to play against us! Klopp and Guardiola have their style but unlike Sarri, they aren't averse to making changes, to tweaking things! Am all for the manager to stay long term but in Sarri's case, he is showing that he's a one trick pony and he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to be that, regardless of his style.  

And oh, Klopp and Guardiola hardly rotate that often? There's a game like every 3-4 days in England, you can't say that they do not rotate often. Plus, have seen people go nuts over their Fantasy Premier League team every week because of Guardiola's constant rotation.

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

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47 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. And Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becasze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to move the ball out when we have it. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball...

The issue with our play is with the ball in the final third (if your going to use David Luiz and Emerson in your back 4 you should 100% expect to concede big chances/goals imo) , its more patterns of play than the formation. We always come inside, always into overcrowded central areas. Theres no selfless movement off the ball. No overloads in wider areas. Everyone wants to dribble or take too many touches instead of 1 or 2 touch combination plays.

Sarris Napoli were exceptional at one and two touch passing, the formation doesnt neccessarily matter because regardless of where Hazard, Willian, Kovacic/Barkley play they will dribble when they could pass or take too many touches... I mean Sarri said we haven't even learned the basics and hes right, in the final third we are slow because players dont look to play quickly or change it up. Napoli were hard to play against because they played at such a tempo and were unpredictable in attack, they could get at you from wide areas, come inside, they were inventive in the final third. Defensively they would be narrow and let teams try to attack them through the wings because at CB theh had 2 strong defenders in the air and a goalkeeper who was comfortable at coming for higher crosses.