the wes 7,212 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Chelsea are prepared to battle it out with Tottenham for the signing of Ross Barkley, The Telegraph reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,908 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 What use would we have for Barkley if we sign Drinkwater? Seems like it should be one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin123 534 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Spurs to face competition from Chelsea in £20m bid for Ross Barkley https://t.co/2S66AGrU2CSent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blusan Alamb 295 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Koeman says Everton don't have "any offer on the table" for Ross Barkley #cfc #thfc #efc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blusan Alamb 295 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We could use the Diego Costa loan deal to get Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, Blusan Alamb said: We could use the Diego Costa loan deal to get Barkley. What??? We arent loaning Costa. We are selling to A.Madrid who are then loaning to Everton as they cant add him to their squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Polo7 said: What??? We arent loaning Costa. We are selling to A.Madrid who are then loaning to Everton as they cant add him to their squad. Atletico can't loan him apparently. So the loan has to be from us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 52 minutes ago, Chelsea? said: Atletico can't loan him apparently. So the loan has to be from us Atletico managed to loan Vitolo to Las Palmas just fine, so why couldn't they do the same with Costa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Im completely lost why would we need Barkley? If we are signing Ox and Drinkwater, plus Cahill and few youth players, we have more than enough english players. Why the hell will we spend 30m on average player when we can eventualy get RLC, Baker and Palmer back. This club would now spend 100m+ on Ox, Drinkwater and Barkley, but neither improves our squad apart from depth. Fucking idiotic. Meanwhile even Pool is buying Keita and Lemar, while also buying english player in Solanke, except they paid just few millions on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, BlueLyon said: Im completely lost why would we need Barkley? If we are signing Ox and Drinkwater, plus Cahill and few youth players, we have more than enough english players. Why the hell will we spend 30m on average player when we can eventualy get RLC, Baker and Palmer back. This club would now spend 100m+ on Ox, Drinkwater and Barkley, but neither improves our squad apart from depth. Fucking idiotic. Meanwhile even Pool is buying Keita and Lemar, while also buying english player in Solanke, except they paid just few millions on him. arguably we could use someone of his ilk, who can attract 2-3 defenders and dribble, this is more evident when hazard is out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, BlueLyon said: Im completely lost why would we need Barkley? If we are signing Ox and Drinkwater, plus Cahill and few youth players, we have more than enough english players. Why the hell will we spend 30m on average player when we can eventualy get RLC, Baker and Palmer back. This club would now spend 100m+ on Ox, Drinkwater and Barkley, but neither improves our squad apart from depth. Fucking idiotic. Meanwhile even Pool is buying Keita and Lemar, while also buying english player in Solanke, except they paid just few millions on him. Pool also has more English players in their team so they can afford to buy foreign players out team however is made up of foreign players with little to no englishmen. We went from being bale to send the most or second most english players away with national side to having one player in the team, that is kind of disgraceful. Now I'm not saying to have average English players in the team just so we contribute but Ox and Barkley I feel have a future in 3 Lions set up if they hit their potential both currently need a change of scenery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-3001 286 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 hours ago, bluesman2610 said: Pool also has more English players in their team so they can afford to buy foreign players out team however is made up of foreign players with little to no englishmen. We went from being bale to send the most or second most english players away with national side to having one player in the team, that is kind of disgraceful. Now I'm not saying to have average English players in the team just so we contribute but Ox and Barkley I feel have a future in 3 Lions set up if they hit their potential both currently need a change of scenery Homegrowns don't need to be Englishmen. At this moment, our HG players are Fabregas, Moses and Cahill. If we sign Ox and Drinkwater, that takes the number to 5. Which is very healthy. In the PL, a club has to have not more than 17 Non HomeGrown players. Club needs to have at least 4 HG players and the rest 4 can be covered by U-21 players if the club doesn't have more than 4 HG players. Our U21 this season are Kenedy, Musonda and Christensen at the moment. All in all, we have a very healthy squad balance in that sense. It doesn't matter if we don't have a player from England or have only one. That tells us more about the National Team than our squad to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, AK-3001 said: Homegrowns don't need to be Englishmen. At this moment, our HG players are Fabregas, Moses and Cahill. If we sign Ox and Drinkwater, that takes the number to 5. Which is very healthy. In the PL, a club has to have not more than 17 Non HomeGrown players. Club needs to have at least 4 HG players and the rest 4 can be covered by U-21 players if the club doesn't have more than 4 HG players. Our U21 this season are Kenedy, Musonda and Christensen at the moment. All in all, we have a very healthy squad balance in that sense. It doesn't matter if we don't have a player from England or have only one. That tells us more about the National Team than our squad to be honest. I'm well aware of what constitutes homegrown vs Englishmen - my point in there was a time when Chelsea had at least 4 players in the England first 11 and that was something to be proud of because when they did well it reflected well on Chelsea . Sorry that i'd like one of the top clubs in England to have a few more Englishmen in the team contributing to the national team. I get that Chelsea is a diverse team always has been especially after Mourinho but in terms of improving that National side of the club we support if Gary Cahill is our only representation that is embarrassing and if you can't see that oh well. But thank you for the discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 11 hours ago, Blusan Alamb said: We could use the Diego Costa loan deal to get Barkley. Leaving aside Diego's situation, that would have to start with us actually wanting Barkley. Ronald Koeman's comment, quoted above, gives me hope that in fact we don't. Unless we've decided, for tactical reasons, to place our bid on deadline day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, bluesman2610 said: I'm well aware of what constitutes homegrown vs Englishmen - my point in there was a time when Chelsea had at least 4 players in the England first 11 and that was something to be proud of because when they did well it reflected well on Chelsea . Sorry that i'd like one of the top clubs in England to have a few more Englishmen in the team contributing to the national team. I get that Chelsea is a diverse team always has been especially after Mourinho but in terms of improving that National side of the club we support if Gary Cahill is our only representation that is embarrassing and if you can't see that oh well. But thank you for the discussion Even before Mourinho, Chelsea were a continental team. I am okay with a spine without English players. Times have changed and signing good English players is tough now. Look at our pursuits of Shaw, Stones who were young prospects, not even established players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 12 hours ago, bluesman2610 said: Pool also has more English players in their team so they can afford to buy foreign players out team however is made up of foreign players with little to no englishmen. We went from being bale to send the most or second most english players away with national side to having one player in the team, that is kind of disgraceful. Now I'm not saying to have average English players in the team just so we contribute but Ox and Barkley I feel have a future in 3 Lions set up if they hit their potential both currently need a change of scenery Barkley doesn't fit our system. He's not a winger and He's not defensively good enough to play in a midfield-2 alongside Kante. If we're going to sign homegrown players, at least sign someone who is useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 13 hours ago, Jype said: Atletico managed to loan Vitolo to Las Palmas just fine, so why couldn't they do the same with Costa? Maybe the rules are different for domestic and international loans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: Barkley doesn't fit our system. He's not a winger and He's not defensively good enough to play in a midfield-2 alongside Kante. If we're going to sign homegrown players, at least sign someone who is useful. We could have said the same thing about Fabregas tbh. Without having seen him play in a midfield 2 or in the front three, we wouldn't believe he could be of any use. If we did get him, I think he would play in a number of positions - CAM in 3-5-2, CM or RAM in 3-4-3. But I agree, he wouldn't be tailor-made for any position in our system, he would need to be moulded and eased in slowly. Would be easier to fit him in if our system had a dedicated nr.10, but it doesn't. I don't think we need him, we will (hopefully) have Ox covering a number of positions and Drinkwater as a natural tried and tested in a midfield 2. Wish we were linked to a LWB instead, but there is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blusan Alamb 295 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Barkley doesn't fit our system. He's not a winger and He's not defensively good enough to play in a midfield-2 alongside Kante. If we're going to sign homegrown players, at least sign someone who is useful. Sounds like the same rhetoric they used to describe Moses, Alonso and Luiz last year. Conte knows how to improve players and get the most out of them. You think the same can be said about Moyes, Martinez and Koeman? There is a very good chance he would flourish under Conte since much of what we do in games is rehearsed over and over again. He'll be required to use less of his instincts and more of his skill on the ball. I'd rather him than Drinkwater any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.