Mason Mount

[Tomo 21,733]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some probably think I'm Mount's h8er or something but I'm not. I didn't say one bad word about him in August - September. Just like I don't mind Tomori being one of four CBs I don't mind Mount being one of our six midfielders. But the fact that he played more minutes in the PL than every other outfield player is just crazy. Kovacic and Barkley are better players. But Mount seems the only undroppable midfielder in the squad. 

Well he was dropped for Ethiad and two do or die CL games so that's hardly true.

And Barkley isn't better, sorry but that's typical absence makes the heart grow fonder syndrome right there.

[Fernando 6,462]

He has been a bit up and down in form but that's expected for youth. 

I'm not mad nor surprised as I actually expected this with youth. 

So it's all good for me. 

[Special Juan 27,429]

There are senior players in this team right now performing as bad, if not worse than Mount.

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Well he was dropped for Ethiad and two do or die CL games so that's hardly true.

Best players of all top clubs don't start every game, that's completely normal especially when you have games every three, four days. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Aguero, KDB, Salah and others started some league and CL games from the bench. 

Not saying Mount is in that category of course. But him being dropped against strongest opponents (City and Liverpool in Super Cup) and in most important CL games make it look even worse. Basically massage Lamps is sending is that he don't trust Mount to play when we face best clubs and when we have most important games where we must take the result. I bet he won't start against Bayern either. I see hypocrisy there. 

[Tomo 21,733]

4 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Best players of all top clubs don't start every game, that's completely normal especially when you have games every three, four days. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Aguero, KDB, Salah and others started some league and CL games from the bench. 

Not saying Mount is in that category of course. But him being dropped against strongest opponents (City and Liverpool in Super Cup) and in most important CL games make it look even worse. Basically massage Lamps is sending is that he don't trust Mount to play when we face best clubs and when we have most important games where we must take the result. I bet he won't start against Bayern either. I see hypocrisy there. 

I would say it's more because the bigger games are one of the very few that having a Jorgi, Kante and Kova midfield trio doesn't massively handicap us offensively.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

On 1/20/2020 at 11:03 AM, Special Juan said:

They just need to grow and mature as well as being nurtured. There is always going to be ups and downs, they have all made massive strides from going from Championship football to PL in the blink of an eye.

But simply put it's cut throat business, if they aren't performing they need to be replaced and not continually played. Our squad depth is OK and behind Mount is Kovacic, and for me he's been our best player this season, he needs to be playing ahead of MM right now.

If we had a "Terry" in defence or "Lamps" in midfield, it would be much easier for the likes of Mount or Tomori to learn and improve and perform at certain level. 

But with, harshly put; bang average senior dudes with crap mentality that cant even keep themselves afloat, the youngsters will be under massive pressure and there will be big inconsistency with the youth.

[Jase 43,479]

Mason Mount is only 21, has played 33 of Chelsea’s 34 matches this season and has been carrying injuries for four months – give him a break

https://theathletic.com/1553056/2020/01/23/chelsea-mason-mount-minutes-rest-midfield-england/?source=shared-article

There are many Chelsea players who have good reason to look forward to the winter break next month but Mason Mount needs it more than most.

Mount is in his first full season at the club he adores and only turned 21 recently, yet has increasingly found himself one of the scapegoats for Chelsea’s ailing form.

Just as fellow academy graduate Callum Hudson-Odoi has been targeted on social media, an issue discussed by The Athletic last month, Mount also finds himself the subject of similarly negative scrutiny on a weekly basis.

Search his name on Twitter and you are instantly met with an array of abusive and critical comments from many members of Chelsea’s global fanbase.

Here are two examples from the past few days:

“Leave my club. Probably the most useless player I’ve ever had the displeasure of watching. You are out of your depth and stealing millions for your worthless and disgraceful performances.”

“Mason Mount is the most limited number 10 I’ve ever seen. Lampard deserves to be sacked just for giving him his debut let alone playing him week in week out.”

Of course seeing this kind of vitriol is commonplace for players at all clubs following a bad result. It is the nature of the beast, however it is still surprising Mount is getting so much, so soon when you consider this is an academy graduate who was only given a senior debut back in August.

It has been a remarkable turn of events for the England international, who was being heralded by all and sundry at Stamford Bridge earlier in the campaign. A run of four goals and two assists in his first 10 Premier League games for Chelsea, having impressed in the previous two years on loan at Vitesse Arnhem and Derby respectively, rightly generated a lot of praise and excitement.

It was always going to be an almost impossible task to sustain such a streak, but a return of one goal and one assist from the last 14 appearances in the top flight (or 19 games in all competitions) is obviously not good enough.

While the level of outcry seems over the top, it is understandable why Mount’s drop in end product has provided cause for concern.

There have been mitigating factors in the relative demise though. The Athletic understands Mount has been playing with various knocks and injury problems over the past four months. This isn’t that unusual. Given the physical demands of the sport, professionals struggle to be 100 per cent fit all of the time. But Mount has been on the receiving end of some tough tackles earlier in the season that he is still feeling the effects of now.

For example, Valencia midfielder Francis Coquelin ended his first Champions League game in September early with a terrible foul on his right ankle.

He confounded expectations by being passed fit to face Liverpool in the following fixture, although with the benefit of hindsight, sources now suggest Mount would have been better off being rested.

Mount sustained a painful blow to the very same ankle, which also forced him to come off, in the next home Champions League contest against Ajax a few months later. Yet once again he started the following weekend.

While the ankle injuries didn’t result in missed time, the numbers suggest that they have taken a physical toll. His shots per game in the Premier League plummeted from 2.4 per game prior to the Valencia injury to just 1.5 after, and 1.1 since the game against Ajax on November 5. 

The same comparison reveals that his chances created per game have also dipped from 2.2 to 1.4, and he is running with the ball half as much — 3.2 dribbles per game down to 1.6. 

General fatigue is another factor. It is to Mount’s credit that his desire to impress and not let Lampard down means he has played in more Premier League games than any Chelsea outfield player. He has started 21 of their 24 matches, with three outings as a substitute.

In fact he has only missed one of Chelsea’s 34 matches in all competitions — when he was left on the bench for the Carabao Cup victory over Grimsby Town in September.

It does raise questions over Lampard’s handling of him. Even in the recent FA Cup victory over Nottingham Forest, a chance to give Mount a rest was ignored. Chelsea were leading 2-0 with 21 minutes to go and yet Mount was still brought on for an unnecessary cameo.

Mount took steps to improve his conditioning last summer, including hiring a personal chef to help his diet. But his high workload is concerning for a young player whose game is founded on hard, energetic running with and without the ball.

Last season at Derby, who were also coached by Lampard, he experienced a first year of senior football without a winter break. On January 26, he limped out of an FA Cup fourth-round victory over Accrington Stanley with what Lampard initially described as hamstring tightness. He did not play again until March 30.

Derby struggled badly in Mount’s absence, only reviving their Championship play-off charge once he returned. He has become as important to the Chelsea team Lampard is building, particularly in light of the fact that Ruben Loftus-Cheek remains a long way off a first-team return and Ross Barkley has failed to earn regular playing time.

Mount played 3,321 minutes in the Championship last season. He has already clocked 2,222 in all competitions for Chelsea, as well as 119 for England.

If he continues to feature regularly in the Premier League and in next month’s Champions League round of 16 tie against Bayern Munich, this will become the most physically taxing campaign of his young career by some distance.

Speaking to Sky Sports before the trip to Newcastle, Lampard did seem aware that the junior talent in general might be feeling the pace.

With Mount clearly one of the players he was referring to, he said: “It’s tough and it will be a tester for the younger players. I’m not an advocate for ‘the players get tired’, they are professional and that’s how it has to be. But mentally, to jump from competition to competition after being in the Championship last year or not getting many games to playing regularly, there are different stresses and strains.

“They have to deal with that, I have to help them deal with that, their team-mates have to help them deal with that.”

The fiercest critics should also bear in mind that while Mount has been selected frequently, his role has regularly changed so no wonder form has become a bit more inconsistent.

Mount has found himself at left wing, the left of a three-man midfield, in the No 10 role and even on the right at times. Not exactly conducive to building rhythm or understanding.

Only last month, Mount put in arguably his best display of the season when Chelsea won at Tottenham 2-0. On that day Lampard used him as an attacking option on the left in a 3-4-3 formation and he combined very effectively with Willian and Tammy Abraham.

Observers noted how much he benefited from receiving quick ball from Chelsea’s midfield — it was a day when the more pedestrian Jorginho started on the bench.

Another more promising display recently was in the 3-0 triumph over Burnley. Like the Spurs contest, Chelsea had a full week to prepare and Mount spoke excitedly afterwards of how the lengthy preparations at training had helped.

But with Chelsea’s grip on fourth spot looking unconvincing after a run of six defeats in 12 Premier League matches, Mount is being judged as harshly — if not more so — as the more experienced and expensive team-mates around him.

Despite having a Twitter account, it is believed he has been advised by those closest to him to stay away from reading the level of abuse on the platform.

One source of inspiration has actually come from a former influential member of the dressing room. Former captain John Terry may now be plying his trade as assistant manager Aston Villa, who have pressures of their own to stay in the division, but The Athletic has learned he has been sending Mount words of encouragement and advice throughout the season via text messages.

As far as Chelsea’s schedule next month is concerned, they face Manchester United 16 days after taking on Leicester City on February 1.

Lampard will not be giving his squad the whole period off as there is an opportunity to benefit from a solid week of training before the United game but it looks like players will be granted up to six days away from their Cobham base and Mount is planning to travel abroad in search of some sunshine, plus some much needed peace and quiet.

It might give others the opportunity to realise they should give him a bit of a break too.
 

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

Yes, bad management by Lampard. Mason would benefit being dropped just like Pulisic earlier in the season. 

[Tomo 21,733]

https://mobile.twitter.com/OllieGlanvill/status/1220266718129467392

[Jase 43,479]

56 minutes ago, Tomo said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OllieGlanvill/status/1220266718129467392

I shared that full article in previous page.

[Vesper 28,803]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

I'm not too sure if Mount is just shite or isn't coached well. But he isn't good enough at the moment, fact.

but he is all we have atm

unless you count Barkley

I do not expect RLC to be back to full true speed and play until next season, if ever

[killer1257 3,282]

I'm not too sure if Mount is just shite or isn't coached well. But he isn't good enough at the moment, fact.

He is very inconsistent and he lacks in creativity. But he is very good at Pressing and pretty fast. Problem is that he is very similar to Oscar and Oscar was never good enough for a top team because he could not create enough chances

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[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

I'm not too sure if Mount is just shite or isn't coached well. But he isn't good enough at the moment, fact.

He's a 20 year old lad playing in a major league for the first time in his career, carrying an injury for months and playing on (even fecking Hazard was below par when he played injured).

If we want these youth to get bleed you need to accept them blowing hot and cold (they all will for the next few years with the exception of James).

[Tomo 21,733]

7 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

He is very inconsistent and he lacks in creativity. But he is very good at Pressing and pretty fast. Problem is that he is very similar to Oscar and Oscar was never good enough for a top team because he could not create enough chances

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Oscar's problem was that he stalled, after a promising 18 months he didn't kick on when he got to the age he needed to start showing more consistency.

An Oscar who furfilled his promise would probably still be in the team today.

[killer1257 3,282]

Oscar's problem was that he stalled, after a promising 18 months he didn't kick on when he got to the age he needed to start showing more consistency.
An Oscar who furfilled his promise would probably still be in the team today.

I think Conte realised that Oscar had not enough qualities and he wanted him to leave. Conte also wanted to sell Willian. Conte usually knows who is good enough and who is not.
It is not like Oscar had no qualities. He just was not Creative enough for a top team as a no. 8 or no. 10

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[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Conte usually knows who is good enough and who is not.

That's debatable, I think.

10 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

It is not like Oscar had no qualities. He just was not Creative enough for a top team as a no. 8 or no. 10

If we're talking about Oscar-Conte, then it's hard to find a place for Oscar under Conte's back 3 system. 

[Milan 17,853]

He was really good at the beginning of the season, basically until the Valencia game and the injury. Part of our attacking/scoring struggles is him never fully recovering from it, as mentioned in the article, posted twice. To say he is shite or not coached well (aka 'Lampard, this is your fault'), well… hardly surprising from the laughing stock. With Barkley now being available again, Mount should definitely take some rest to recover fully.

I seriously cannot wait to see the reactions to RLC coming back from his injury. That will be comedy gold. He should have never played the way he played last season. He will be expected by some members to hit the ground running straight away, knowing the patience of some, and will be bashed soon. Poor lads.

[Tomo 21,733]

49 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

I seriously cannot wait to see the reactions to RLC coming back from his injury. That will be comedy gold. He should have never played the way he played last season. He will be expected by some members to hit the ground running straight away, knowing the patience of some, and will be bashed soon. Poor lads.

It's already annoying me thinking of it, it's getting to the point I wouldn't blame these guys if they said fuck this and asked to leave.

Analogy I can give is it's like the yummy mummies who want a real life baby doll but don't want to deal with the piss and shit.