Clockwork 1,794 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Mount is only 22, still has time to improve. I don’t think it is harsh to see him similar to Willian who regularly gave you 7/10 performances at his best seasons. He was in his prime, Mount is much younger got time to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 The video of him picking out the girl and giving her his shirt is lovely! Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Tomo said: Assists are subjective, Mount has been robbed of many assists this past season 1 hour ago, Tomo said: Unless they do it a ridicolous rate like KDB or Fabregas then the quality of assists need looking deeper into. Any instances? Can't remember many off my head. It would be nice to know the breakdown of chances created or rather key passes from open play and set pieces by Mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Didn’t Squawka report only Bruno Fernandes created more chances than Mount last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jas said: Any instances? Can't remember many off my head. It would be nice to know the breakdown of chances created or rather key passes from open play and set pieces by Mount. Examples from the Euros would be Sterling's hesitation and Kane's sitter vs Croatia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Didn’t Squawka report only Bruno Fernandes created more chances than Mount last season? Pretty sure chances created from set pieces were included. Am curious to know what's Mount numbers when it comes to creating from open play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Laylabelle, robsblubot and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: ZAPHOD2319 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Didn’t Squawka report only Bruno Fernandes created more chances than Mount last season? MoroccanBlue and OneMoSalah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Vesper said: What makes this more impressive is the other four have their entire teams systems built around getting the (creative) best out of them. Edited July 9, 2021 by Tomo OneMoSalah and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tomo said: What makes this more impressive is the other four have their entire teams systems built around getting the (creative) best out of them. Did you not argue once before about the loose definition or subjective-ness (can't think of the right word/phrase) of chances created? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jas said: Did you not argue once before about the loose definition or subjective-ness (can't think of the right word/phrase) of chances created? I actually said it should be used as a more accurate way to judge creativity than the assist stat. You can make the best through pass of all time but are still relying on the player at the other end to do his job for it to go on the assist chart but on the flip side whoever passed to Maradona before that goal against England or Henry before that goal against Spurs got an "assist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tomo said: I actually said it should be used as a more accurate way to judge creativity than the assist stat. You can make the best through pass of all time but are still relying on the player at the other end to do his job for it to go on the assist chart but on the flip side whoever passed to Maradona before that goal against England or Henry before that goal against Spurs got an "assist". Problem with 'chances created' is the same with your problem about 'assist' because it includes the latter, according to Opta definition. Like the example you gave, Player A can simply make a 5-yard pass to Player B, who then shoots at goal from 30 yards and that will be counted as a chance created. If we want to judge creativity, then I'd prefer to have at least the chances created broken down to chances created from open play and set pieces because creating from open play requires more than creating from set pieces. In Mount's case, not to devalue his number but it's no surprise that his chances created were high because he also took a lot of our set pieces. The others in that Top 5 also took set pieces for their team, which is why the 'chances created' stat can be misleading (that's the word!) to judge creativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Awful tournament. Thought he’d step up a level after winning the Champions League. Hopefully comes back stronger next season. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 No wonder he looked absolutely gassed after having played a mammoth season. Hopefully Southgate the sucker has not completely burned him out Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Awful tournament. Thought he’d step up a level after winning the Champions League. Is it? 5 games - 0 goals - 1 set piece assist for 4th goal against Ukraine. This is pretty much perfect measure of MM. This is how his average 5 games at Chelsea look like. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Tbf he probably did better than Foden did at least… next Gazza my arse. Did nothing. Mount was quiet all tournament but again, other than Sterling, not as if Englands attackers were exactly great or consistent. Kane had 2 games where he was good. Saka one game. Grealish one real impact off the bench despite the constant ranting and raving about him. Sancho, the 80m benchwarmer. And its not that England were the most expansive or progressive team or that their 2 holding midfielders didn’t play sideways as opposed to through the lines into the front players as often as Italy, Spain, Belgium etc either so no surprise none of them really did well bar Sterling who’s goals again probably got him more plaudits. But again no surprise the same folk taking digs. Excited to see him kick on again with a proper manager in Tuchel. Think hes going to have a better return this season again. Edited July 13, 2021 by OneMoSalah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Mason mount is a team fixer. he makes the team more competitive, which in turn makes it more likely to win silverware. some folks don’t like that and prefer flashier players, but consider that if it’s not mason it’d have to be another player like him elsewhere. I reckon he’s one of the best at what he does. we don’t have Messi, Neymar, mbappe… we are not a powerhouse. If we play as equals with them, will lose more often than not. We can level the playing field with intensity, tactics, and smarts -and Mason mount helps with all that. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 16 hours ago, robsblubot said: Mason mount is a team fixer. he makes the team more competitive, which in turn makes it more likely to win silverware. some folks don’t like that and prefer flashier players, but consider that if it’s not mason it’d have to be another player like him elsewhere. I reckon he’s one of the best at what he does. we don’t have Messi, Neymar, mbappe… we are not a powerhouse. If we play as equals with them, will lose more often than not. We can level the playing field with intensity, tactics, and smarts -and Mason mount helps with all that. I agree, not a flashy player but a good players that brings a good balance to the team. Reminds me of Damien Duff. He was not as flashy as your Robben back then, but like Mount he had a tenacity and gave us a good balance. Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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