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[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, communicate said:

But playing in a weaker league allow them to keep their model for long time. Imagine doing the same thing in epl, you can easily get relegated. 

For me I like having our youth going on loan and get back when they are ready like what Otherwise, they can get stuck on the bench and never develop properly

The Ajax and Monaco teams i was talking about would have comfortably made top 4 in the prem.

I'm not saying we should play an U21 team (and neither did those teams in question, Ajax especially had a lot of experience to balance it out) however with City over the hill for atleast two more years and prices going through the roof, there's never been a better time to build up this new generation.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

14 minutes ago, communicate said:

But playing in a weaker league allow them to keep their model for long time. Imagine doing the same thing in epl, you can easily get relegated. 

For me I like having our youth going on loan and get back when they are ready like what Otherwise, they can get stuck on the bench and never develop properly

 

It is a double edged sword. Players might not develop as good out on loan as at the club or might never want to come back. 

Dortmund also play for the German championship with green youngsters. Sure it is the league but would we be so much worse off having played CHO for Willian and Mount for Kovacic/Barkley last season . I doubt it

Still it is striking that almost all world class clubs I know have a better record of flooding in youth from their academy than us. It is not even that I believe our youngsters deserve so much more rather that we prefer to spend on average players to make up squad numbers than give them to you haters. Some will not be satisfied with that but some will. Signing and playing the bakayokos, drinkwater, Williams, alonsos of this world over youth players that really identify with the club is the problem imo

[communicate 2,703]

40 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The Ajax and Monaco teams i was talking about would have comfortably made top 4 in the prem.

I'm not saying we should play an U21 team (and neither did those teams in question, Ajax especially had a lot of experience to balance it out) however with City over the hill for atleast two more years and prices going through the roof, there's never been a better time to build up this new generation.

Don't get me wrong they are fantastic but in epl where the league is very competitive (a relegated side can even sign player like schurlle) , it is very hard to so. Like you said if they turn out to be fantastic you will reap all the benefit if not this is where it differ big time. With Ajax, they probably will still stay at top of the league. In epl you can easily drop to 10+ and even close to relegation. 

For me, I always like academy and youth product for rotation player. If they turn out to be fantastic then it is even better. 

The problem is with player like Ampadu. Last year he was our 4th Cb. Which mean he won't play enough games. I much rather him go for loan to get playing time. 

[communicate 2,703]

30 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

It is a double edged sword. Players might not develop as good out on loan as at the club or might never want to come back. 

Dortmund also play for the German championship with green youngsters. Sure it is the league but would we be so much worse off having played CHO for Willian and Mount for Kovacic/Barkley last season . I doubt it

Still it is striking that almost all world class clubs I know have a better record of flooding in youth from their academy than us. It is not even that I believe our youngsters deserve so much more rather that we prefer to spend on average players to make up squad numbers than give them to you haters. Some will not be satisfied with that but some will. Signing and playing the bakayokos, drinkwater, Williams, alonsos of this world over youth players that really identify with the club is the problem imo

I don't follow Dortmund enough to know about their youngster but yes they are really good at producing and developing youngster. But I don't know whether they develop them from academy or sign upcoming from Bundesliga. 

Don't get me started on CHO. I have spent a whole year explaining why as much as I think CHO is super talented. If one of your winger is Hazard and the other side need to be good defensively. And as CHO has shown in the later part of the season when he was a starter, his output is not better than Willian. 

Nope signing Willian and Bakayoko make sense. They are signed to be starting 11. The same with Alonso, do we have any bright youngster at left back? 

The problem is player like Zappacosta and drinkwater. This is where you definitely need to use your arcademy if you have any that is ready. 

 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

56 minutes ago, communicate said:

Don't get me wrong they are fantastic but in epl where the league is very competitive (a relegated side can even sign player like schurlle) , it is very hard to so. Like you said if they turn out to be fantastic you will reap all the benefit if not this is where it differ big time. With Ajax, they probably will still stay at top of the league. In epl you can easily drop to 10+ and even close to relegation. 

For me, I always like academy and youth product for rotation player. If they turn out to be fantastic then it is even better. 

The problem is with player like Ampadu. Last year he was our 4th Cb. Which mean he won't play enough games. I much rather him go for loan to get playing time. 

It didn't help last year that Sarri didn't really start rotating until about March. He even admitted that he picked a core group of about 14-15 players and just focused on them.

Once he started backing his squad Emerson started putting Alonso under pressure for his position, Christensen improved as the season wore on and RLC and CHO were arguably first choice for Sarri by the time they got injured (RLC definitely was).

I think Lampard will back the squad as a whole far more and be prepared to use it. He understands the intensity and overall slog of an English season which I don't think Sarri was fully prepared for and from what it appears he wants his team to play with a lot more energy, pace and pressing compared to last season which will likely take it's toll if players aren't managed properly.

The idea that Lampard will start bringing through all sorts of academy players I think just isn't going to happen. Someone like Billy Gilmour I could potentially see making the bench the odd time or even getting a game in the league cup before going out on loan possibly in January to get some experience.

What Lampard will do however is offer a pathway for the ones that have good experience and are ready to play some part - Tomori, Mount, James, Abraham. If these players can get 20 games next season across all competitions then that is a big positive and they kick on from there very much like how I think RLC would have done had he not got injured.

Christensen, RLC and CHO have shown the club that the talent is there and is good enough to represent the club. If this next group can break through in much the same way I'm certain more will follow in the future.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Great post 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

Frank is starting to put the pieces together.

"Mason's part of the first-team squad this year and it's time for him. His qualities will improve even more with the qualities around him."

"Everyone knows the hopes I have for Mason and he showed today a glimmer early in pre-season of what we might see this year and going forward."

 

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[Tomo 21,751]

Found this interesting.

The year before Alli went to Spurs he scored 16 goals in 44 games playing in League One, Mason last year scored 11 in 44 playing a division higher. 

If Mount can have a similar impact to Alli's first season at sh*te Hart Lane (10 goals, 9 assists in the league and a further 2 assist's in Europe) that will come in very handy.

[Pizy 18,907]

9 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Found this interesting.

The year before Alli went to Spurs he scored 16 goals in 44 games playing in League One, Mason last year scored 11 in 44 playing a division higher. 

If Mount can have a similar impact to Alli's first season at sh*te Hart Lane (10 goals, 9 assists in the league and a further 2 assist's in Europe) that will come in very handy.

I just wonder where in the pecking order he is. That 3rd midfield spot is our most packed and competitive position. Kante and Jorginho have to start in my eyes so that's Mount, Barkley, Kova, and RLC for one slot.

Good problem to have, though. This is the best/most midfield depth we've had in ages. Just might be difficult to keep them all happy. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Found this interesting.

The year before Alli went to Spurs he scored 16 goals in 44 games playing in League One, Mason last year scored 11 in 44 playing a division higher. 

If Mount can have a similar impact to Alli's first season at sh*te Hart Lane (10 goals, 9 assists in the league and a further 2 assist's in Europe) that will come in very handy.

They are very different players tho. Mount is someone who roams in midfield and develops his attacking actions from late runs in the centre. Alli is more of a classic attacking midfielder who operates in the channels and makes early runs for crosses and diagonals to provide an aerial threat. 

[Tomo 21,751]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I just wonder where in the pecking order he is. That 3rd midfield spot is our most packed and competitive position. Kante and Jorginho have to start in my eyes so that's Mount, Barkley, Kova, and RLC for one slot.

Good problem to have, though. This is the best/most midfield depth we've had in ages. Just might be difficult to keep them all happy. 

Kovacic definitely is not fighting for number 10, he's a rotation option to Kante and Jorginho I'd put my house on that.

Ruben won't be playing again till new year by all accounts so for the first half of the season it's Mount Vs Barkley and I think Mason will win out as his high pressing game is much superior to Barkley. Although that said Ross has very much responded to Mason's return with some strong performances in pre season so hopefully they push eachother.

10 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

They are very different players tho. Mount is someone who roams in midfield and develops his attacking actions from late runs in the centre. Alli is more of a classic attacking midfielder who operates in the channels and makes early runs for crosses and diagonals to provide an aerial threat. 

I'm not saying they are the same player but I am hoping Mount has a similar trajectory in his career after arriving in the PL. 

[the wes 7,212]

23 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Found this interesting.

The year before Alli went to Spurs he scored 16 goals in 44 games playing in League One, Mason last year scored 11 in 44 playing a division higher. 

If Mount can have a similar impact to Alli's first season at sh*te Hart Lane (10 goals, 9 assists in the league and a further 2 assist's in Europe) that will come in very handy.

Interesting stats but Tammy Abraham scored more goals than Harry Kane in the championship the question is can mount do the same in the PL time will tell finger crossed he can do it 

[Jase 43,479]

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[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Dude is awesome, no wonder he is touted the next Lampard.

[Superblue 6,372]

On 20/07/2019 at 5:18 PM, Pizy said:

I just wonder where in the pecking order he is. That 3rd midfield spot is our most packed and competitive position. Kante and Jorginho have to start in my eyes so that's Mount, Barkley, Kova, and RLC for one slot.

Good problem to have, though. This is the best/most midfield depth we've had in ages. Just might be difficult to keep them all happy. 

 

46 minutes ago, Mana said:

What about Pulisic? You forgot him as well.

I think Mount and Barkley are the two going for the attacking midfield spot. Both have impressed in pre season and I see both getting plenty of game time and pushing each other. At the moment RLC doesn't need to be considered with his injury but when he comes back, it will be interesting what Lampard decides to do because three players for one spot will be difficult unless one drops deeper.

Kovacic will play deeper, he's not an attacking midfielder and will compete with Jorginho and Kante for the two spots in midfield.

Then I would expect it to be 2 into 4 with the wide players - CHO, Pulisic, Willian and Pedro.

The interesting change would be if Lampard decided on playing the diamond that he's tried at times. I think we have the midfielders to do this, especially when RLC is back fit too as we would then have 6 very capable players playing in that diamond all of which bring very different qualities to the table. The problem then would be what would happen to the wide players, but at present the strikers have a lot to prove and it may be that these can play as a second striker in such a formation like that. The other big problem with this however is we need top full backs to provide the width, and I don't think the crop currently are good enough to maximise this unless Emerson improves and Reece James breaks out.

[1905didierblue 748]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

 

I think Mount and Barkley are the two going for the attacking midfield spot. Both have impressed in pre season and I see both getting plenty of game time and pushing each other. At the moment RLC doesn't need to be considered with his injury but when he comes back, it will be interesting what Lampard decides to do because three players for one spot will be difficult unless one drops deeper.

Kovacic will play deeper, he's not an attacking midfielder and will compete with Jorginho and Kante for the two spots in midfield.

Then I would expect it to be 2 into 4 with the wide players - CHO, Pulisic, Willian and Pedro.

The interesting change would be if Lampard decided on playing the diamond that he's tried at times. I think we have the midfielders to do this, especially when RLC is back fit too as we would then have 6 very capable players playing in that diamond all of which bring very different qualities to the table. The problem then would be what would happen to the wide players, but at present the strikers have a lot to prove and it may be that these can play as a second striker in such a formation like that. The other big problem with this however is we need top full backs to provide the width, and I don't think the crop currently are good enough to maximise this unless Emerson improves and Reece James breaks out.

I feel diamond should not be played. Our strikers are our biggest shortcomings. Putting 2 of them on the pitch while sacrificing wide players would be redundant. I would rather we play 4-2-3-1. And when RLC comes in, I would hope we shift to 4-3-3. 

[Superblue 6,372]

45 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

I feel diamond should not be played. Our strikers are our biggest shortcomings. Putting 2 of them on the pitch while sacrificing wide players would be redundant. I would rather we play 4-2-3-1. And when RLC comes in, I would hope we shift to 4-3-3. 

Yes but for the same reason midfield is by a mile our strength so I can understand the idea behind trying the diamond and as mentioned in my previous post, I believe all of our wide players are capable of playing centrally so could still operate in a support striker role behind one main striker.

I do think 4-2-3-1 is probably overall the most suitable formation at present, but I am pleased Lampard is trialling different possibilities and looks to be flexible.

I don't see what RLC coming back though would benefit us reverting back to 4-3-3. RLC could play in the attacking midfield spot and that advanced role should also benefit Mount and Barkley who both operate better higher up the pitch. 

[1905didierblue 748]

19 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Yes but for the same reason midfield is by a mile our strength so I can understand the idea behind trying the diamond and as mentioned in my previous post, I believe all of our wide players are capable of playing centrally so could still operate in a support striker role behind one main striker.

I do think 4-2-3-1 is probably overall the most suitable formation at present, but I am pleased Lampard is trialling different possibilities and looks to be flexible.

I don't see what RLC coming back though would benefit us reverting back to 4-3-3. RLC could play in the attacking midfield spot and that advanced role should also benefit Mount and Barkley who both operate better higher up the pitch. 

I dont see RLC as a traditional no.10. His main asset is his strength and drive on the ball, rather than his continous movement (aka mount). I feel RLC in a proper no.10 role might be wasted.

Just looking at the scoring return of willian and pulisic and relying on them as our no.1 goal scorers will be too much. CHO looks far more of a traditional winger than a second striker. And pedro is way too hit and miss to be given a nod ahead of proven goal scorers like tammy and michy. I am happy that frank is experimenting and trying to get the best formation, but in my opinion, 4-diamond-2 looks to be the worst fit for the current crop of players.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

I dont see RLC as a traditional no.10. His main asset is his strength and drive on the ball, rather than his continous movement (aka mount). I feel RLC in a proper no.10 role might be wasted.

Just looking at the scoring return of willian and pulisic and relying on them as our no.1 goal scorers will be too much. CHO looks far more of a traditional winger than a second striker. And pedro is way too hit and miss to be given a nod ahead of proven goal scorers like tammy and michy. I am happy that frank is experimenting and trying to get the best formation, but in my opinion, 4-diamond-2 looks to be the worst fit for the current crop of players.

I understand with regards to his ability to drive and carry the ball from a deeper position, although I do think that RLC is technically good enough to play that advanced role and playing further forward can only likely benefit his goal scoring which came on massively last season.

I don't think the group are suited at present to play 4-3-3 because I don't think it gets the best out of Barkley and Mount, whilst I also think Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic all benefit playing in a 2 man midfield rather than 3. However we've both touched on Lamps' flexibility so RLC's return may coincide with a new option for him to play 4-3-3 at times as opposed to 4-2-3-1.