Fulham Broadway 17,314 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said: Without Pulisic and Willian, he's mediocre. I'd rather have him than in the team than Patrick Bamford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, kellzfresh said: I have nothing against him but I wish we have attacking midfielders who raise their heads up to look for runners instead of only making aimless runs everywhere. Look at Lampard as a player, I lost count the number of times he gave assists simply because he raised his head to look for options. Mount needs to do that more and stop this Barkley route of only looking at the ball when in possession, raise your head when on the ball, you're an attacking Mid for crying out loud. About that... I know other players are guilty of the same thing above but Mount becomes absolutely braindead in the final third. kellzfresh, 0007 and killer1257 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNZ 155 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 This is the stuff I just find so frustrating about Mount. Giroud has made the perfect run, play him in. Attempting a weak shot that was never going to beat the goalkeeper stinks of selfishness and stupidity. NikkiCFC and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 This is gonna set some people off. Mount nominated for PL Young Player of the Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Aaawwww... killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I am going to stick my neck out on the line here. In two/three years time. I reckon a lot of people on here criticising Mount our going to have to eat a lot of humble pie. I find the discussions surrounding Mount atm are very reminiscent of those I had with people about SFL until he was 24. Not saying he is going to hit SFL heights as SFL put the after burners on at around 24/25, however I do think he will be a very good player long term for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jason said: Aaawwww... What would've made it better was if the ginger one was Rice. Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I am going to stick my neck out on the line here. In two/three years time. I reckon a lot of people on here criticising Mount our going to have to eat a lot of humble pie. I find the discussions surrounding Mount atm are very reminiscent of those I had with people about SFL until he was 24. Not saying he is going to hit SFL heights as SFL put the after burners on at around 24/25, however I do think he will be a very good player long term for us. Even Oscar showed more than Mount and Oscar was clearly not good enough for Chelsea. Just pressing is not good enough. He is maybe the most uncreative no. 10 in the PL with 2 real assists, even though he played the most games under FrankGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk SUNZ and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Even Oscar showed more than Mount and Oscar was clearly not good enough for Chelsea. Just pressing is not good enough. He is maybe the most uncreative no. 10 in the PL with 2 real assists, even though he played the most games under Frank Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Hazard got 4 assists in 34 league games in 17/18, is he uncreative? And no I'm not saying Mount is that good but if you want to start debates about creativity bring key passes/dribbles to the table, because that's a stat that doesn't rely on your teammate doing their job to go on record. manpe and Milan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Hazard got 4 assists in 34 league games in 17/18, is he uncreative? And no I'm not saying Mount is that good but if you want to start debates about creativity bring key passes/dribbles to the table, because that's a stat that doesn't rely on your teammate doing their job to go on record.Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi.Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi. Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Tammy was first choice pretty much the entire time till just before lockdown, and he only got dropped because he was injured and Oli hit arguably the best form of his career rendering him undroppable. Hudson Odoi was starting after his return from injury and got dropped due to Pulisic reacting by having that purple patch. Then he was starting all the time in January/February until he got injured again. If you want to look for a scapegoat to CHO getting dropped, you should turn your attentions more to Willian. Also Mount hasn't exactly been given the Torres 12/13 treatment as you're suggesting. He was sub for the last two CL group games, away to City, home to Arsenal, home to United, 2 out of our 4 games against Liverpool and hauled off at halftime twice since the restart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,320 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 BALLON D'OR Ballon d'Or 2020 cancelled due to coronavirus pandemic https://en.as.com/en/2020/07/20/football/1595249508_656235.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: BALLON D'OR Ballon d'Or 2020 cancelled due to coronavirus pandemic https://en.as.com/en/2020/07/20/football/1595249508_656235.html ????? killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi. Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Mount is not a creative player ... he is more about work rate and b2b (at times) who is good going forward decent while defending. Saying that he would do a Fabregas then that would be too much of an ask. I feel Mount only get to keep his place because he offers a superb work rate along with the uncanny pace which helps to switch from defense to attack and the off the ball press which is so important for Frank's plan. If we have anyone better then him I believe Mount would get replaced, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, killer1257 said: Even Oscar showed more than Mount and Oscar was clearly not good enough for Chelsea. Just pressing is not good enough. He is maybe the most uncreative no. 10 in the PL with 2 real assists, even though he played the most games under Frank Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk You do realise that Mount should really be a No.8/No.5 that has had to play out of position a lot of the time right? Further, at the start of the season he was 20 and only had experience of playing in Holland and the Champo. What exactly were you expecting? A good example for me with Mount is SFL who in his first season here got played out of position in RM/LM in a 442. Here are the stats for the two: SFL first season at Chelsea (aged 23) 53 games, 7 goals, 2 assists Mount first season at Chelsea (aged 20/21) 53 games, 8 goals, 6 assists What I find most confusing is that you hammer Mount, then you give RLC a wide berth despite him always injured, having zero work rate off the ball and has only had one decent three month spell for us (last three months of last season) and is 3 years older. Alabama, Puliiszola and Tomo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Mount is not a creative player ... he is more about work rate and b2b (at times) who is good going forward decent while defending. Saying that he would do a Fabregas then that would be too much of an ask. I feel Mount only get to keep his place because he offers a superb work rate along with the uncanny pace which helps to switch from defense to attack and the off the ball press which is so important for Frank's plan. If we have anyone better then him I believe Mount would get replaced, So basically he is a Oscar like I saidGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, killer1257 said: So basically he is a Oscar like I said Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Oscar is Oscar and Mount is Mount ... Honestly not a big fan of comparisons because every player has something unique to offer despite having same attributes when compared... And if you have to compare why not compare with every player who has played in that position with similar attributes ... As a number 8 he can be compared with a 20 year old Lampard. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, killer1257 said: Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi. Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Mount is not creative, he probably won't ever be. Is that a problem? Nope, I thought we signed a creator from Ajax to do that for us and Pulisic can create, I think two creator in final 3rd is good enough. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 You do realise that Mount should really be a No.8/No.5 that has had to play out of position a lot of the time right? Further, at the start of the season he was 20 and only had experience of playing in Holland and the Champo. What exactly were you expecting? A good example for me with Mount is SFL who in his first season here got played out of position in RM/LM in a 442. Here are the stats for the two: SFL first season at Chelsea (aged 23) 53 games, 7 goals, 2 assists Mount first season at Chelsea (aged 20/21) 53 games, 8 goals, 6 assists What I find most confusing is that you hammer Mount, then you give RLC a wide berth despite him always injured, having zero work rate off the ball and has only had one decent three month spell for us (last three months of last season) and is 3 years older. Mounts defensive contribution is so damn amazing.One tackle won per game, 0.4 interceptions, 0.5 clearances per game.Last season Ruben had 0.8 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions per game and 0.2 clearances per game. What a huge difference wow. Kevin de Bruyne wins 1.3 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions and 0.7 clearances per game. Mason Mount is almost KDB level... Mount is not even that good defensive wise what people want me to believe. Mason Mount had 7 goals and 6 assists (4 of them were from set pieces) and he played 2900 minutes. Ruben scored 6 goals and had 2 assists in 1000 minutes in PL last season. I will not compare KDB with Mount from an offensive point of view lol. From winning aerial duels, Ruben wins almost 50% of his aerial duels, while Mount wins less than 20% of his duels. So Mount is no mastermind going forward and he is not a mastermind from a defensive point of view. You people make him out to be some sort of Arturo Vidal or NaingollanGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk kellzfresh and Supermonkey92 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Mounts defensive contribution is so damn amazing. One tackle won per game, 0.4 interceptions, 0.5 clearances per game. Last season Ruben had 0.8 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions per game and 0.2 clearances per game. What a huge difference wow. Kevin de Bruyne wins 1.3 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions and 0.7 clearances per game. Mason Mount is almost KDB level... Mount is not even that good defensive wise what people want me to believe. Mason Mount had 7 goals and 6 assists (4 of them were from set pieces) and he played 2900 minutes. Ruben scored 6 goals and had 2 assists in 1000 minutes in PL last season. I will not compare KDB with Mount from an offensive point of view lol. From winning aerial duels, Ruben wins almost 50% of his aerial duels, while Mount wins less than 20% of his duels. So Mount is no mastermind going forward and he is not a mastermind from a defensive point of view. You people make him out to be some sort of Arturo Vidal or Naingollan Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Is there a way to compare vidal and radja's stats at 20-21 to mount's. That would be a fair comparision I feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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