🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Mason Mount

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Gallagher wont be here next season. He will be loaned out for another season of playing every week and that is definitely the best thing for his development. He has jumped the rung a bit going to Swansea from Charlton but theres no need to rush him. He has only 1 season of pro football under his belt.

Barkley if he stays beyond this season I would be surprised as well as his Chelsea career has been nothing but poor bar the odd false dawn (although I did say I felt FL could have hsed him more along with Giroud and Pedro before the winter period) so if he is retained then when he doesnt deliver that decision will sit firmly on Frank's shoulders because we can all see hes not consistent enough yet alone good enough. Hes definitely expendable this summer so to speak.

Mount and Gilmour probably wont play the same roles, also Mount is more a 10 than Jorginho, Kante or Kovacic so hes hardly in direct competition with them as Frank seems to prefer 4231.

Throwing in Pulisic who is going to be a winger here for the foreseeable future is just pointless and just seems as so you have done so to make it look as if there are endless players who in the squad have played that position. Pulisic hasnt played as a 10 at club level for us or Dortmund as far as I can remember. Maybe for the USA he has. I doubt FL sees him in that role. Or we would have seen it already.

So he has Ruben (again havent seen him in a FL team yet so who knows?) and Ross (for as long as he stays here times running out for him) as his main competition in the current squad. Potentially Ziyech on top next season and as mentioned what if FL cuts his losses with Ross? So even if he doesnt, he will definitely be a squad member, would take something incredibly drastic for him not to be. Its clear Frank rates him highly. 

Where do you get the impression we will sign Aouar from? Or just a personal choice? He is somebody who has played a lot off the left side as well as centrally for Lyon since breaking into their team in previous seasons but yes a top top player in the making undoubtedly. Plus as questionable as Mount and Barkley are, if we go after Aouar and sign him do you honestly think Conor Gallagher will fit in the squad? Really? Just baffles me you think we will sign another attacking midfielder, retain Ruben, Ross and then keep someone who is at an age where they need to playing to make up the numbers more or less. I mean Billy Gilmour is also likely to be still around next season too before Conor is in my opinion. 

Next season I doubt there will be many MF changes, we will likely have Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic and probably Billy if FL trusts him more and he can continue to do well. Maybe Ruben it depends how FL sees him but think he will be further up the pitch as a 10 or furthest forward in a 3 man MF. In the 10 position we will have Ruben, Mason and Ross (think he should be sold though). Maybe Ziyech will operate there maybe not. But its all hypotheticals to the summer comes but Mason Mount possibly not having a place in the squad next season is by far one of the most outrageous things I think I have heard on here in a while.

 

Comment you quoted is more like how I see things than what will happen. 

On this page I said Mount will be here next season no doubt but you seem to ignore that. Just like I said Gallagher won't be here next season and that I'm not expecting Pulisic and Ziyech to play AM. 

Gallagher having better season than Mason in Championship and not getting a chance next season is hypocritical don't you think? 

It was reported many times that our scouts watched SMS and Aouar which is not a surprise since we lack creativity and desperately need goal threat from midfielders. 

Pulisic played some games as AM in Dortmund and has good stats there. For Chelsea he played once against Newcastle at home. 25 minutes cameo and he changed the game completely. So hopefully we see him there more. 

Ziyech this season for Ajax played more as AM than as a winger. 

And I know very well that Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and Gilmour don't play same position as Mount. 

Also I never said we will have all players mentioned in the squad next season. I just said they are all better than Mount. OK Barkley and Mount is close call because Ross is lazy and not high intelligent but he's more talented. Goal he scored against Liverpool is something Mason could never do it. 

If RLC was fully fit this season you think Mount would play ahead? His 2800 minutes he played this season would be less than 1000 no doubt. 

But in the end of the day I'm expecting Lamps to be top professional which he is. 

So to sum up it is expected we will sign one attacking midfielder or Sancho which then suggests Ziyech will play as AM. Plus RLC. There you go, two players ahead of Mount for one position. At best he will stay here to be 4th winger and 3rd AM. And how much game time is that? Would you advise him to stay in this scenario? 

 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Comment you quoted is more like how I see things than what will happen. 

On this page I said Mount will be here next season no doubt but you seem to ignore that. Just like I said Gallagher won't be here next season and that I'm not expecting Pulisic and Ziyech to play AM. 

Gallagher having better season than Mason in Championship and not getting a chance next season is hypocritical don't you think? 

It was reported many times that our scouts watched SMS and Aouar which is not a surprise since we lack creativity and desperately need goal threat from midfielders. 

Pulisic played some games as AM in Dortmund and has good stats there. For Chelsea he played once against Newcastle at home. 25 minutes cameo and he changed the game completely. So hopefully we see him there more. 

Ziyech this season for Ajax played more as AM than as a winger. 

And I know very well that Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and Gilmour don't play same position as Mount. 

Also I never said we will have all players mentioned in the squad next season. I just said they are all better than Mount. OK Barkley and Mount is close call because Ross is lazy and not high intelligent but he's more talented. Goal he scored against Liverpool is something Mason could never do it. 

If RLC was fully fit this season you think Mount would play ahead? His 2800 minutes he played this season would be less than 1000 no doubt. 

But in the end of the day I'm expecting Lamps to be top professional which he is. 

So to sum up it is expected we will sign one attacking midfielder or Sancho which then suggests Ziyech will play as AM. Plus RLC. There you go, two players ahead of Mount for one position. At best he will stay here to be 4th winger and 3rd AM. And how much game time is that? Would you advise him to stay in this scenario? 

 

 

Lampard put faith in Mount, Tomori, Tammy and James who he had watched regularly/worked with when he had a transfer ban last summer. It will be slightly different this time round. He will still look to use youth players here I am sure of it but the fact he can recruit players will change his approach this summer a bit. 

Conor may be on course to have a better season (again he is maybe statistically but stats arent always everything) than Mason did with Derby (could argue playing for Derby last season is different to playing for Charlton and Swansea this season as well) but I doubt Frank is going to stockpile our squad with every promising academy player. He talked a lot about experience or players who are more ready made in January, I think to take us to the next level we need to add that still. Hence why Ziyech signed. Many probably thought Mason would be a back up player this season but he hasnt been, which makes me think he wont be again next season, particularly with Franks faith in him during poor spells as well. If he and Conor were in the squad, Mason would still end up with more gametime.

Regarding Ross' goal, what good is it when he does that once every 3 or 4 months? Like Willian as well? 

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Also I never said we will have all players mentioned in the squad next season. I just said they are all better than Mount. OK Barkley and Mount is close call because Ross is lazy and not high intelligent but he's more talented. Goal he scored against Liverpool is something Mason could never do it. 

He scored a goal at youth level where he went through about five players with outstanding close control.

His goal this season away to Norwich is the type of touch and control to get past the defender we became accustomed to from Hazard.

Yes he had a slump in the winter and yes he needs to become a bit more consistent but let's not pretend he never has nor is capable of scoring aestheically pleasing goals.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Regarding Ross' goal, what good is it when he does that once every 3 or 4 months? Like Willian as well? 

I don't know what is with people's fascination with Barkley. We'll get the performance we saw against Liverpool once in a while but more often than not, we'll see performances like the one he had against Bayern. If the idea here is to make sure we have top quality players, then his performance against Bayern was hardly glowing, was it? Barkley turns 27 later this year. If he doesn't get it now, he will never get it. Although Mount has frustrated with his inconsistency and lack of final product, I'd still be patient with him for at least another season or two. Given he is only 21, there is more upside to Mount than Barkley, who has been around for ages in this league and has yet to produce any sort of consistency - be it the performances or output. Heck, his numbers are similar to Willian's!

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

His goal this season away to Norwich is the type of touch and control to get past the defender we became accustomed to from Hazard.

 His goals against Wolves and Aston Villa weren't too bad either. 

[Tomo 21,751]

39 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't know what is with people's fascination with Barkley. We'll get the performance we saw against Liverpool once in a while but more often than not, we'll see performances like the one he had against Bayern. 

In all honesty i thought Ross was incredibly frustrating Vs Liverpool even by his standards, even his goal came about after he failed to spot that a simple pass would have put Pedro through on goal.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

In all honesty i thought Ross was incredibly frustrating Vs Liverpool even by his standards, even his goal came about after he failed to spot that a simple pass would have put Pedro through on goal.

It was okay here and there. I guess it's encouraging if you look at it based on Barkley's usual standards. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

In all honesty i thought Ross was incredibly frustrating Vs Liverpool even by his standards, even his goal came about after he failed to spot that a simple pass would have put Pedro through on goal.

The goal seems to have gotten him a lot of praise and papered over the cracks in his consistency and final product most weeks. He was very ordinary throughout I think, better than usual but hardly that good.

Even funnier, sky sports gave him MOTM, fuck knows what they were watching. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The goal seems to have gotten him a lot of praise and papered over the cracks in his consistency and final product most weeks. He was very ordinary throughout I think, better than usual but hardly that good.

Even funnier, sky sports gave him MOTM, fuck knows what they were watching. 

Guardian went all pro-Barkley in their match report too!  

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

I don't know what is with people's fascination with Barkley. We'll get the performance we saw against Liverpool once in a while but more often than not, we'll see performances like the one he had against Bayern. If the idea here is to make sure we have top quality players, then his performance against Bayern was hardly glowing, was it? Barkley turns 27 later this year. If he doesn't get it now, he will never get it. Although Mount has frustrated with his inconsistency and lack of final product, I'd still be patient with him for at least another season or two. Given he is only 21, there is more upside to Mount than Barkley, who has been around for ages in this league and has yet to produce any sort of consistency - be it the performances or output. Heck, his numbers are similar to Willian's!

 His goals against Wolves and Aston Villa weren't too bad either. 

True and Barkley once was this

But he never turned out consistently. Same with mount so far but he has age on his side. Still he must use it to not end up the same washed up has been

[Stats 7,142]

Needed and deserved that goal. He has really improved in recent matches, but the goal was missing. He got that today and had another very good game before he went off.

[Jase 43,479]

This thread is a little quiet. 

Great goal and Abraham aside, first player to finally move onto 6 goals!

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

Today we didn't play 4-2-3-1. We played 4-1-2-2-1 or you can say 4-1-4-1.

This is the perfect formation for Mount but also for Barkley. 

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

This thread is a little quiet. 

Great goal and Abraham aside, first player to finally move onto 6 goals!

Because @Henrique ain't nowhere to be seen when mount does good. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

Mount: I was too desperate to end my Chelsea goal drought

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/mount-i-was-too-desperate-to-end-my-chelsea-goal-drought/joq42bxrw99115trtvv6wef8e

"I have found recently that I have been trying too hard to score and kind of snatching at shots and trying to take shot when off-balance and stuff," Mount said at Stamford Bridge. "When you're so focused on scoring and thinking 'I need to score', you do that.

"You start snatching at it. You don’t take your time and focus on your technique enough. Today, I kind of had looked at my game and where I've been going wrong recently and to aim, stay calm and not to try to look for it as much as I have been.

"It just happened. I took a touch and turned and finished. It wasn’t me thinking about it too much. I think I've been overthinking it. It hasn't been coming my way and I have been snatching at it.

"Today, it was the total opposite. It wasn’t in my head, I just focused on the performance and it came. I do look at games. My dad is very into football and watching my game and where I can improve. He helps me a lot.

"He's here for every game and after he'll tell me what I did best and what I didn’t do well and where I need to improve. The last few games has been finishing and end product.

"I think I took a shot against Bournemouth from an impossible angle where I was just trying to score a worldy when it wasn’t on. We spoke about that. More just me personally looking at my game, speaking to my dad as well.

"I think about games like the Bayern game where I snatched a chance with my left foot where it hasn’t been on. It's something where you don’t have to try so much. It just comes at the right time and it did today.

"You listen to every bit of advice coming your way and learn from it. It's good to have my dad there focused on me, watching what I need to do better. It helps me so much coming off the pitch speaking to him in the car. We have done that since I was a little kid and some things never change."

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

Midfield three of Barkley, Gilmour and Mount were superb on Sunday

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Strike 7,489]

Haha poor Mount. Take the fine and stay inside. 

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

On 3/16/2020 at 7:59 AM, Strike said:

Haha poor Mount. Take the fine and stay inside. 

If someone else did it fine would be put in place already and that player would be abused here on two pages. This guy has free pass on everything...

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 15/03/2020 at 10:17 PM, Jason said:

 

Fuck sake. 

Might sound harsh but what a moron, very selfish putting other folk at risk.

I would imagine there would of been kids and other adults in the area undoubtedly so for somebody who has been told to self isolate because he was exposed to a team mate who had/has the virus to show up to a public area for a kick about.... is it any wonder people think footballers are thick as fuck?

I mean Lampard was pretty harsh on Barkley for an incident regarding a taxi so will have to see what happens to Mount. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Fuck sake. 

Might sound harsh but what a moron, very selfish putting other folk at risk.

I would imagine there would of been kids and other adults in the area undoubtedly so for somebody who has been told to self isolate because he was exposed to a team mate who had/has the virus to show up to a public area for a kick about.... is it any wonder people think footballers are thick as fuck?

I mean Lampard was pretty harsh on Barkley for an incident regarding a taxi so will have to see what happens to Mount. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8119281/Mason-Mount-apologises-Chelsea-boss-Frank-Lampard-spotted-outside-self-isolation.html

Think this Mount situation is a little to the Barkley one and how exactly was Lampard harsh on Barkley back then?