Danny Drinkwater

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

Turns out our transfers are pretty good since he left. I would even say great! 

January 2018: Giroud, Barkley and Emerson. They all cost around 50m which is so cheap! Now Barkley himself is worth more than that. Emerson became our starter and Giroud was very useful. 

Summer 2018: Kepa - one of the best goalkeepers in the world and Jorginho who was must buy last season and I think he'll be useful in Frank's team as well. 

January 2019 : Pulisic - I have so much hope in him to become our leader in coming years. 

And this summer we bought Kovacic another good player to have. 

We also gave chances to loanees like RLC and now Zouma, Mount, James, Abraham are coming in plus CHO is already here... With transfer ban we couldn't do much better this summer. 

We won two trophies since he left and I really like Lampard appointment. 

So to sum up I think we are run much better since he left. 

 

 

[Vesper 29,017]

32 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

I thought we signed DD during the Winter window for some reason.

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea sign midfielder from Leicester

1 Sept 2017

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41119060

 

Chelsea have signed midfielder Danny Drinkwater from Leicester City for £35m.

The 27-year-old was a key part of the Foxes side that won the Premier League in 2015-16, but asked to leave the club amid interest from the Blues.

Chelsea have also signed defender Davide Zappacosta from Torino on a four-year deal for an undisclosed fee.

However, striker Fernando Llorente opted for Tottenham instead of a move to Stamford Bridge.

And Everton midfielder Ross Barkley changed his mind about joining Antonio Conte's side.

[Tomo 21,733]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Turns out our transfers are pretty good since he left. I would even say great! 

January 2018: Giroud, Barkley and Emerson. They all cost around 50m which is so cheap! Now Barkley himself is worth more than that. Emerson became our starter and Giroud was very useful. 

Summer 2018: Kepa - one of the best goalkeepers in the world and Jorginho who was must buy last season and I think he'll be useful in Frank's team as well. 

January 2019 : Pulisic - I have so much hope in him to become our leader in coming years. 

And this summer we bought Kovacic another good player to have. 

We also gave chances to loanees like RLC and now Zouma, Mount, James, Abraham are coming in plus CHO is already here... With transfer ban we couldn't do much better this summer. 

We won two trophies since he left and I really like Lampard appointment. 

So to sum up I think we are run much better since he left. 

 

 

I think in hindsight that window was a lot worse than 2015 and 2007.

2015 we didn't have a shit season because we missed out on Stones and Pogba, it's because the squad was physically and mentally exhausted, not even Messi would have pulled us out of that mess. We still managed to sign a top backup keeper and a winger who was part of the greatest team of all time. I think the "terror" of that window was overexaggarated a bit by the Stones/Papy debarcle.

2007 was a poor window but ultimately it was a bunch of freebies we then made money on.

2017 however I think had a direct correlation to how the season went plus we spent almost £200m on players bar Rudi that flopped, any more like that could have set us back years.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

As I previously stated, who made the decision to sign players or deal with transfers (something we've seemingly had issue with for a few windows)?

 

 

Downplaying someone's involvement is all good and well, but you don't have a straight answer that debunks my theory.

 

Forgive me for not answering your question directly, although I have answered it indirectly, many times. I've done do in other posts in other threads, in which I've written about my theory regarding transfer decision-making. Just before I give my answer once again let me restate a few things I have also said before:-

That Marina handles the financial aspects of our transfer business it is not disputed. What we are disagreeing about is whether she makes the football decision. That is to say, whether she decides if player A,bB, or C is good enough and should be signed.

Just because I can't disprove the claim you are making, is no evidence for the truth of that claim. It is for the person making a claim to prove it. Until I see clear evidence that Marina is making football decisions I will not believe it because the very idea is nonsensical in my opinion. For me to believe that, I would have to believe that Roman is a complete idiot and he clearly isn't.

My impression, and of course I can't prove this, is that the final decision makers on transfer business are Roman and Arkaidy Abramovich.

[LAM09 6,777]

4 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Forgive me for not answering your question directly, although I have answered it indirectly, many times. I've done do in other posts in other threads, in which I've written about my theory regarding transfer decision-making. Just before I give my answer once again let me restate a few things I have also said before:-

That Marina handles the financial aspects of our transfer business it is not disputed. What we are disagreeing about is whether she makes the football decision. That is to say, whether she decides if player A,bB, or C is good enough and should be signed.

Just because I can't disprove the claim you are making, is no evidence for the truth of that claim. It is for the person making a claim to prove it. Until I see clear evidence that Marina is making football decisions I will not believe it because the very idea is nonsensical in my opinion. For me to believe that, I would have to believe that Roman is a complete idiot and he clearly isn't.

My impression, and of course I can't prove this, is that the final decision makers on transfer business are Roman and Arkaidy Abramovich.

I agree that there's no proof and rather a hunch on my part, regardless of how outlandish it might seem. Neither of us will probably ever get a definite answer on the matter.

[Vesper 29,017]

The Premier League team who are finally ready to sign Danny Drinkwater according to tabloid report

https://www.chelsea-news.co/2019/08/premier-league-team-finally-ready-sign-danny-drinkwater-according-tabloid-report/

The Daily Mail are today reporting that Chelsea may finally have a destination for Danny Drinkwater.

The Sunday edition of the tabloid claims that Brighton are a side interest in finally taking the central midfielder off Chelsea’s books, after two years in which he’s barely stepped foot on the pitch. The South Coast club apparently want the former Leicester man on loan for the year.

Drinkwater didn’t travel to Germany with the rest of the squad for yesterday’s friendly with Borussia Monchengladbach, staying back in England with Tiemoue Bakayoko amid rumours that both were getting closer to finally exiting Stamford Bridge for good.

After being utterly frozen out under Maurizio Sarri – he didn’t appear after the Charity Shield game one year ago today – Drinkwater did feature in a couple of friendlies for Frank Lampard.

However with all of his senior players now reporting, Danny has been squeezed out again. He likely will be hoping more than anyone that this rumoured interest from the Seagulls is real.

 

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[the wes 7,212]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

The Premier League team who are finally ready to sign Danny Drinkwater according to tabloid report

https://www.chelsea-news.co/2019/08/premier-league-team-finally-ready-sign-danny-drinkwater-according-tabloid-report/

The Daily Mail are today reporting that Chelsea may finally have a destination for Danny Drinkwater.

The Sunday edition of the tabloid claims that Brighton are a side interest in finally taking the central midfielder off Chelsea’s books, after two years in which he’s barely stepped foot on the pitch. The South Coast club apparently want the former Leicester man on loan for the year.

Drinkwater didn’t travel to Germany with the rest of the squad for yesterday’s friendly with Borussia Monchengladbach, staying back in England with Tiemoue Bakayoko amid rumours that both were getting closer to finally exiting Stamford Bridge for good.

After being utterly frozen out under Maurizio Sarri – he didn’t appear after the Charity Shield game one year ago today – Drinkwater did feature in a couple of friendlies for Frank Lampard.

However with all of his senior players now reporting, Danny has been squeezed out again. He likely will be hoping more than anyone that this rumoured interest from the Seagulls is real.

 

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It just show ye how good Kante was at Leicester he made Drinkwater look like  a decent  player alongside him but 2bh Kante would made mr bean look good if he was to play alongside Kante 😂😂😂

[Superblue 6,372]

45 minutes ago, the wes said:

It just show ye how good Kante was at Leicester he made Drinkwater look like  a decent  player alongside him but 2bh Kante would made mr bean look good if he was to play alongside Kante 😂😂😂

I guess Bakayoko then must be worse than Mr Bean...

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

Please make this happen! 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,517]

I asked my friend that is a Brighton fan to email the Seagulls his support of taking Drinkwater on loan. If all 10 of their fans show support, this could happen.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

Hope it happens before season starts, its good for him and damn good for us....he is a good guy im sure but never ever Chel quality to begin with nevermind this slow and injury prone version. Good luck to him.

[the wes 7,212]

7 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I guess Bakayoko then must be worse than Mr Bean...

The problem with Baka he struggles with the pace of the football in PL the Italian league suited him better where the football is slow pace football 

[Vesper 29,017]

1 hour ago, the wes said:

The problem with Baka he struggles with the pace of the football in PL the Italian league suited him better where the football is slow pace football 

that's it in a nutshell

he doesn't have a good football brain at all

he has very poor spatial thinking

[the wes 7,212]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

that's it in a nutshell

he doesn't have a good football brain at all

he has very poor spatial thinking

I totally agree vesper 👍👍 I enjoy reading your posts on this forum

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Vesper 29,017]

On 01/09/2017 at 9:48 AM, manpe said:

It's funny that the board are prepared to pay over value for someone like Drinkwater, but choke when need to throw a few more quid on actual class players. Backwards logic.

lol, this is the only comment that aged well in the first 6 or so pages

 

this was the next one

 

 

[Vesper 29,017]

Chelsea struggling to offload Danny Drinkwater because of £100,000-a-week wages

(sloppy reporting he is on £120K per week) 

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea/chelsea-struggling-to-offload-danny-drinkwater-because-of-100000aweek-wages-a4206436.html

 

Norwich and Brighton have made enquiries to Chelsea about taking midfielder Danny Drinkwater on loan but his wages remains a major stumbling block.

Drinkwater looked certain to stay at Stamford Bridge for another season last week because it was understood no concrete offers had been made.

But with the window coming to a close on Thursday, newly-promoted Norwich and Brighton have registered late interest.

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for most middling English players, you can double Tranfermakt's valuation, so we are looking at a £21m or so loss (plus £12.5m in pissed away wages for last two years) IF we sell him now

he turns 30yo later this season, so it is truly last chance saloon to get at least £14-15m for him, let alone £20m plus

£33m down the shitter and that is IF we dump him now (and do not have to eat partial wages, which we may, and that takes the total loss to £40m plus or so, grrrrr)

 

 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,784]

Was reading the first few pages after we signed him and its funny so many people thought he was better than both Matic and Chalobah (although he waa brought in to replace Nate). He was a waste buy although there was soem games with Conte he looked alright (well a lot better than the disaster that was Bakayoko). Dont think he even amounted the same game time Chalobah did under Conte that previous season before we bought him either. For the sake of his career, which he still has plenty to offer at a bit of a lower level,  he needs to leave.

And another thing nobody has considered is Reece James surprisingly confident and natural performances in a MF role for Wigan as well which is another option for Frank in and around there as well as at RB if Zappacosta goes. I think if we played 433 and it was still Sarri, he would of really fancied him in that 3 man MF but also think Frank might see him as a very capable option in those 2 deeper positions. Drinkwater could maybe cover those roles as hes suited to a 2 man MF more too but I dont think his wages or what he offers on the pitch warrants him staying.