🇪🇸 Álvaro Morata

[spyros_cfc 52]

2 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

Lol...the state of this forum though...written off so early already..

Ok. Tell ONE TIME that the thread was negative for a player and he ended up a huge success for a club. You dont need much time to recognize a great player. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I think this guy will fail here. Not because he missed and penalty and was shit for the 20 minutes he was on (being a new player doesnt excuse him from the criticism others get) but becausr he is easily scared and mentally weak. Just like Torres. He hid today and that tells you more than full 90 minute matches. Hes not a kid either. He's 24. 

He's obviously not a lone forward either, he cannot hold the ball up and tries to be too quick with his decisions rather than waiting for support. Other times he doesn't even attempt to be the lone striker. Its that and his weak confidence which make me think he will fail. 

I know the cliche that you are supposed to give players time before you make a decision, but I was just as quick to accept Hazard and Costa will be a success as I am to think Morata. I don't know why it's ok for one type and not the other. 

Its ok if I get flak, accused of overreacting after losing to Arsenal, I don't mind. Im being honest about my opinions early. If i'm wrong it'll be great, but i think that's a long shot. Let's see how hia first few league games go. If he is just as bad with no improvement, we shouldn't turn a blind eye. 

 

[spyros_cfc 52]

2 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

I think this guy will fail here. Not because he missed and penalty and was shit for the 20 minutes he was on (being a new player doesnt excuse him from the criticism others get) but becausr he is easily scared and mentally weak. Just like Torres. He hid today and that tells you more than full 90 minute matches. Hes not a kid either. He's 24. 

He's obviously not a lone forward either, he cannot hold the ball up and tries to be too quick with his decisions rather than waiting for support. Other times he doesn't even attempt to be the lone striker. Its that and his weak confidence which make me think he will fail. 

I know the cliche that you are supposed to give players time before you make a decision, but I was just as quick to accept Hazard and Costa will be a success as I am to think Morata. I don't know why it's ok for one type and not the other. 

Its ok if I get flak, accused of overreacting after losing to Arsenal, I don't mind. Im being honest about my opinions early. If i'm wrong it'll be great, but i think that's a long shot. Let's see how hia first few league games go. If he is just as bad with no improvement, we shouldn't turn a blind eye. 

 

Exactly, it was so obvious that was hiding for those 20minutes and he actually didnt want to hit the penalty. The exact opposite of a mentality a striker needs. I hope he turns out to be a killer but thats an extremely hard task for conte. 

[Alabama 1,992]

2 minutes ago, spyros_cfc said:

Ok. Tell ONE TIME that the thread was negative for a player and he ended up a huge success for a club. You dont need much time to recognize a great player. 

Lol..that isnt a proper thermometre to ascertain the success of a new player...the state of the match was pretty dire before he came on...Pedro reckless challenge doesnt help either...yes is a bit little low on confidence...but the negative overreaction here is...Lol..

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

If Morata doesn't strike you as empty of confidence then I'm honestly amazed 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Guys stop with this fucking bullshit.

Everyone here wanted to get rid of Costa because he had rotten mentality, regardless of goals or contribution. Everyone prefered "nice" striker, but no one thought that such striker might score less or have less presence. 

You got that nice striker. Not single one has right to talk shit about Morata because thats the striker type everyone preffered over Costa. 

On Morata note, I think he will come good and we need to give him more regular playtime in our best 11 along Baka and Eden. But yeah like I said million times, losing Costa is something everyone will be regretting because when inform, the guy was easily top 3 strikers in the world, rotten mentality or not. 

 

[spyros_cfc 52]

4 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

Lol..that isnt a proper thermometre to ascertain the success of a new player...the state of the match was pretty dire before he came on...Pedro reckless challenge doesnt help either...yes is a bit little low on confidence...but the negative overreaction here is...Lol..

Unless you wathced the team for the first time, you would know Morata is eactly the type of play that normally fail at Chelsea.

[spyros_cfc 52]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Guys stop with this fucking bullshit.

Everyone here wanted to get rid of Costa because he had rotten mentality, regardless of goals or contribution. Everyone prefered "nice" striker, but no one thought that such striker might score less or have less presence. 

You got that nice striker. Not single one has right to talk shit about Morata because thats the striker type everyone preffered over Costa. 

On Morata note, I think he will come good and we need to give him more regular playtime in our best 11 along Baka and Eden. But yeah like I said million times, losing Costa is something everyone will be regretting because when inform, the guy was easily top 3 strikers in the world, rotten mentality or not. 

 

You said it. Nice-guy striker. We see the nice, but where is the striker? You see blank in his eyes. 

[Alabama 1,992]

2 minutes ago, spyros_cfc said:

Unless you wathced the team for the first time, you would know Morata is eactly the type of play that normally fail at Chelsea.

alright mate...time will time..

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

9 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Guys stop with this fucking bullshit.

Everyone here wanted to get rid of Costa because he had rotten mentality, regardless of goals or contribution. Everyone prefered "nice" striker, but no one thought that such striker might score less or have less presence. 

You got that nice striker. Not single one has right to talk shit about Morata because thats the striker type everyone preffered over Costa. 

On Morata note, I think he will come good and we need to give him more regular playtime in our best 11 along Baka and Eden. But yeah like I said million times, losing Costa is something everyone will be regretting because when inform, the guy was easily top 3 strikers in the world, rotten mentality or not. 

 

I get the feeling you are being to general saying 'everyone' wanted this and 'no-one' wanted that. 

I certainly didn't want rid of Costa. Nor did I call for a nice striker. Id bet many others were against selling him too. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

I get the feeling you are being to general saying 'everyone' wanted this and 'no-one' wanted that. 

I certainly didn't want rid of Costa. Nor did I call for a nice striker. Id bet many others were against selling him too. 

I did generalize, but I wasnt too off. 

About 90% of members wanted to get rid of him, just check Costa thread for proofs. 

That said it was similar situation with Eden last summer. But then suddenly everyone changed their mind...

[El P. 1,354]

Guys stop with this fucking bullshit.
Everyone here wanted to get rid of Costa because he had rotten mentality, regardless of goals or contribution. Everyone prefered "nice" striker, but no one thought that such striker might score less or have less presence. 
You got that nice striker. Not single one has right to talk shit about Morata because thats the striker type everyone preffered over Costa. 
On Morata note, I think he will come good and we need to give him more regular playtime in our best 11 along Baka and Eden. But yeah like I said million times, losing Costa is something everyone will be regretting because when inform, the guy was easily top 3 strikers in the world, rotten mentality or not. 
 

No one prefered "nice" striker, we just wanted normal striker. Maybe NICER than Costa (not hard to be), but not Kante-nice striker.

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[xPetrCechx 13,571]

oh boy... stupid decision to give him  that penalty...

[Jase 43,479]

Okay, I'm not entirely convinced Morata is the right striker for us but can we at least wait until he plays a few games with proper minutes before judging him? All the reaction after today's game seems to be born out of paranoia more than anything else.

[gdlk 286]

well for sure the 20th min he played got more high balls than Michy in the time he was on.. . 

[Pizy 18,909]

Personally not worried about him at all. Training is one thing, but he's only played a few minutes with his new teammates. It'll probably take him a few matches to get on the same page. Getting Hazard back will help massively as well.

[bluephoenix 1,131]

Morata needs time, just keep faith dont put pressure on him. I fear that the english media will turn him into another Torres. I really hope Conte gets him up and running faster. He shouldn't play till we are sure that he will hit the back of the net. We have to make sure that we fend off the stupid media guys that are just waiting to write articles about how United did the right thing going after Lukaku with the he is proven PL talent.

I believe Morata will come good. I still blame the board for this. They didn'd get these players in time for pre-season so that they can train and get confident.

I still feel Conte can bring the best out of him. Time and patience is key. Also make sure he scores the next time he is on the pitch (somehow)

[spyros_cfc 52]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

Okay, I'm not entirely convinced Morata is the right striker for us but can we at least wait until he plays a few games with proper minutes before judging him? All the reaction after today's game seems to be born out of paranoia more than anything else.

People are less demanding than you think. If he had 1-2 good moments in those 20minutes (touch/shot/pass whatever... sth to talk about) few would complain. That was a really poor debut (his mistake in the conceded goal, lost penalty, hidden for most time) tbh and people should be worried. I praise talent when i see it but he has to show sth even for just 20 minutes.

[TheIceMan 596]

We have no Strikers !!! I like them both, but the man who left is twice the player that bouth of theese are !!! Sad, sad times ahead !!!

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, spyros_cfc said:

People are less demanding than you think. If he had 1-2 good moments in those 20minutes (touch/shot/pass whatever... sth to talk about) few would complain. That was a really poor debut (his mistake in the conceded goal, lost penalty, hidden for most time) tbh and people should be worried. I praise talent when i see it but he has to show sth even for just 20 minutes.

It's silly either way. Whether he had done well or badly in that 20 minutes, it's no indication he'll go on to do well or badly in the season. So why judge on such a short cameo? The lack of patience here is ridiculous and people seem to have forgotten that for most of the minutes, we were playing with 10 men and playing conservatively.