🇪🇸 Marcos Alonso

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42 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

So basically Alonso is starting because of his set pieces. This is a problem  

Maurizio Sarri says Chelsea are suffering from 'blackouts'

Deffo think Sarri is the 1 suffering when it comes to Alonso and afew others 

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3 hours ago, mccg said:

Maurizio Sarri says Chelsea are suffering from 'blackouts'

Deffo think Sarri is the 1 suffering when it comes to Alonso and afew others 

INFUCKINGDEED!!!!!

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5 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

So basically Alonso is starting because of his set pieces. This is a problem  

So, Sarri is willing to sacrifice more cohesive attacking play for set pieces which we may not get a lot in games? Our attacking set pieces are crap and we have looked suspect at defending set pieces at times, even with Alonso in the team! Are we really that desperate for his free kicks?! Did we really get the Sarri that we all saw at Napoli? Because this Sarri sounds a lot like Mourinho!

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Thought he did well yesterday against City. Didn't let much through from his side, didn't make any (big) mistakes, had some good defensive plays. There is a reason why they stopped attacking from his side and went at Azpi instead, but he also had a big "FUCK OFF" sign on his forehead. Wasn't so noticeable in the attacking phase, I think we attacked through Azpilicueta more and Alonso sat back more than usual (probably instructions from the coach). It's great because he showed he can perform to an acceptable level when the odds are stacked against the team.

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2 hours ago, manpe said:

Thought he did well yesterday against City. Didn't let much through from his side, didn't make any (big) mistakes, had some good defensive plays. There is a reason why they stopped attacking from his side and went at Azpi instead, but he also had a big "FUCK OFF" sign on his forehead. Wasn't so noticeable in the attacking phase, I think we attacked through Azpilicueta more and Alonso sat back more than usual (probably instructions from the coach). It's great because he showed he can perform to an acceptable level when the odds are stacked against the team.

He was much better in the second half, when we sat deep and focused on attacking down our right - presumably to target Delph at left back - but he was awful in the first half. Kept giving the ball away and was found wanting defensively on numerous occasions. Even got turned inside out easily by Sterling, which would have led to a goal if it weren't for Azpi blocking Sane's shot. His second half performance certainly highlights the issue with him - we had to "cancel" an attacking outlet just to cover his severe lack of pace/weakness. It worked yesterday given the tactics against City but surely, we can't keep persisting with this if Sarri is to achieve his brand of dynamic, attacking football?

[manpe 10,861]

He was much better in the second half, when we sat deep and focused on attacking down our right - presumably to target Delph at left back - but he was awful in the first half. Kept giving the ball away and was found wanting defensively on numerous occasions. Even got turned inside out easily by Sterling, which almost led to a goal if it weren't for Azpi blocking Sane's shot. His second half performance certainly highlights the issue with him - we had to "cancel" an attacking outlet just to cover his severe lack of pace/weakness. It worked yesterday given the tactics against City but surely, we can't keep persisting with this if Sarri is to achieve his brand of dynamic, attacking football?

Very good points made

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

He was much better in the second half, when we sat deep and focused on attacking down our right - presumably to target Delph at left back - but he was awful in the first half. Kept giving the ball away and was found wanting defensively on numerous occasions. Even got turned inside out easily by Sterling, which would have led to a goal if it weren't for Azpi blocking Sane's shot. His second half performance certainly highlights the issue with him - we had to "cancel" an attacking outlet just to cover his severe lack of pace/weakness. It worked yesterday given the tactics against City but surely, we can't keep persisting with this if Sarri is to achieve his brand of dynamic, attacking football?

Good summation. Plus, I went crazy in 1st half with his bad passing. But yes, 2nd half was better, but at a cost,  like you cohently pointed out.

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I don’t think I’m harsh in saying he was just average yesterday. Well, poor first half and average, bare minimum in the second. It is still not enough. The obvious weak link in the defence yesterday.

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On 12/6/2018 at 3:05 PM, manpe said:

Alonso's modus operandi: Get burnt by pace, fail to recover, hack the legs from behind with no intent on the ball and concede a foul.  

Reared its ugly head again against Brighton.

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He has got to go. Massive weak point on the team. He offers nothing but a random shot, and has not even been scoring with those (see today for perfect example). Woefully slow and a hacker on defence.

Emerson obviously isnt the answer, so we have to go out and upgrade.

Lucas Hernández

Alex Sandro

Alex Telles

Junior Firpo

José Gayà

Raphaël Guerreiro

Wendell

Ferland Mendy

Alejandro Grimaldo

Pick one buy one.

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he isnt going nowhere lol. just signed a new contract. 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

He has got to go. Massive weak point on the team. He offers nothing but a random shot, and has not even been scoring with those (see today for perfect example). Woefully slow and a hacker on defence.

Emerson obviously isnt the answer, so we have to go out and upgrade.

Lucas Hernández

Alex Sandro

Alex Telles

Junior Firpo

José Gayà

Raphaël Guerreiro

Wendell

Ferland Mendy

Alejandro Grimaldo

Pick one buy one.

Unfortunately, I feel like the likes of you and me who are advocating for him to lose his place are in a minority. It's a total deja vu of Ivanovic from the 2nd half of the 14-15 season onwards. I can't help but dread that it would have to take a huge chunk of (back to back) humiliating defeats where his average-ness is illuminated with a billion suns' light, like Ivanovic vs Arsenal at the start of the 16-17 season, that he'll finally be erased from any first XI contention ever again. I don't want it to happen but I can't help but feel that all the teams we are gonna face soon in the league, Leicester, Watford, Crystal Palace, Southampton etc, are gonna contemplate and brainstorm ways to exploit him to the fullest. I remember Pardew mentioning in a pundit job how, when he was at CP, they purposely targeted Ivanovic in that 1-2 win at the start of the 15-16 season.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Utterly shit. It's a miracle he wasn't sent off. Weak link.

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I will never understand the idea that alonso is bad because other teams will target his position in defense, which is akin to saying azpi needs to be dropped because he can’t attack. Same position different roles.

ivanovic comparisons are super silly btw (he was an excellent defender at his peak).

now, alonso is indeed playing poorly and very little attacking play has been coming out of his side.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

If you want to see a proper left back, watch Robertson against Manchester united today. He absolutely skinned them, even Mourinho had to acknowledge.

 

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1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

If you want to see a proper left back, watch Robertson against Manchester united today. He absolutely skinned them, even Mourinho had to acknowledge.

 

Yes but strange Mourinho said that when, for whatever reason, he didn't adjust his team to stop him...

 

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes but strange Mourinho said that when, for whatever reason, he didn't adjust team to stop him...

 

He just watched Robertson murder them throughout. Reminiscent of Ashley cole today 

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Just now, kellzfresh said:

He just watched Robertson murder them throughout. Reminiscent of Ashley cole today 

Robertson is a solid player but let's not exaggerate things here...

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2 hours ago, Robguima said:

I will never understand the idea that alonso is bad because other teams will target his position in defense, which is akin to saying azpi needs to be dropped because he can’t attack. Same position different roles.

ivanovic comparisons are super silly btw (he was an excellent defender at his peak).

now, alonso is indeed playing poorly and very little attacking play has been coming out of his side.

those are two different things

Azpi being poor on offence at many times is on us, there is little another team will do (except ignore him more) becuase he is bad going forward

Alonso being poor on defence is something the other team will attack, it is a huge problem

he has to go, even before Willian now in my mind

if we use a false nine, then CF doesn't matter so much, BUT we still need a CF, even before booting La Tortuga

Alonso is the biggest defensive structural weak point on the field, he is just horrid

he should have been red carded today, and had other major lapses, plus passed for shit again

but

he hit the post and thus almost scored and now all the fanboys/girls are out coo-cooing over that shit

 

If Emerson isnt good enough, then we REALLY need to buy an upgrade and quick, before Alonso destroys our season via a series of disasters in games (he came damn close today)

I am so at wits end I would even accept (along with my nine internationals I have posted elsewhere, ALL of whom are loads better than Alonso)

Ben Chilwell 
Kieran Tierney    

as legit buys to give it a go

if either gets to just 80-90% of Roberston's level for Victimpool, they are miles beyond Alonso

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3 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

If you want to see a proper left back, watch Robertson against Manchester united today. He absolutely skinned them, even Mourinho had to acknowledge.

 

He is fantastic and despite only really coming into the fore this time last year for Liverpool, should’ve got in the PFA team of the year. Great two way full back. Having said that I don’t think anyone predicted his rise from watching him at Hull.