🇧🇪 Michy Batshuayi

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

On 31.1.2018 at 2:35 PM, Magic Lamps said:

 

Neither Max Philipp nor Yarmolenko are recognized strikers.. Also both are out injured. The only other central forward they have is 18y.o. talent Isak. In short. Dortmund are putting their season in the hands of Michy. But I can see him succeeding there. Dortmund focus on fast transition and commit many bodies forward early other than we do we only attack with a few players at once. This is why we need a striker with good hold up play and michy is not optimal for us. Dortmund however try to break the defensive lines by committing people forward thus causing havoc in the opposition so the striker gets the space to play on the shoulder. This should fit Michy more and that is why they are gambling on him. It is no coincidence that Michys goals have always either come when the opponent's defense was in disarray because we were going all out to score a goal, or a ball over the top or a fast counter attack caught them out. If he succeeds there I do not see him coming back tho.

well, I told you so.

Other than we Dortmund create many chances, throw many bodies up front so a stirker who finishes their simply chances is exactly what they need. Well done Bats, hopefully we can resell him expensively. He is just who he is and it is not his fault Conte thinks we need a striker to create his own chances. But then again it has only been one game against the worst side in Bundesliga. There will be tougher challenges.

[Pizy 18,904]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

3 hours ago, Pizy said:

Oh, FFS!
Was it Conte out on the pitch all those times not being able to control a football? Was it Conte out there having the ball bounce off him like a brick wall? 
Could Conte have trusted him a bit more and instilled him with more confidence? Yes. But he didn't exactly help himself when he played.

It was Conte who favoured a CF that hasn't looked like scoring in his last 10 games (unable to score with his feet almost all season). This favouritism nonsense is something I despise.

Morata in his worst form is twice the footballer Michy is. Even when he isn't scoring he offers much more.

[LAM09 7,051]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Morata in his worst form is twice the footballer Michy is. Even when he isn't scoring he offers much more.

Who's meant to score, then? Alonso?

Every player is employed & deployed to do a job. If our CF can't score, we might as well call it a night.

[communicate 2,703]

29 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Who's meant to score, then? Alonso?

Every player is employed & deployed to do a job. If our CF can't score, we might as well call it a night.

It is rare these days for a team to employ a player solely for scoring goals maybe except Ronaldo for madrid

Even a CF has to do more than scoring. In Conte sytem, the front striker need to hold up the ball and bring our two am into play similar to Kane role in Spurs. Just watch Spurs vs United, Kane was absolutely brilliant although he does not score but his hold up was the reason they can attack brilliantly.

[communicate 2,703]

So Michy scored two goals and everyone start complaining that we misuse him or Conte is the worst manager.

I don't believe anybody here think that Michy is a bad finsiher, I even said it multiple times that he is a better finisher than Morata or Costa.

But in Conte system, the CF need to hold up the ball and bring our two AM into play. If you can't do that, then you are useless as CF.

Is that Conte's fault not to change his system to suit Michy's strength or Michy's fault because he cannot fit into Conte System 

[LAM09 7,051]

19 minutes ago, communicate said:

It is rare these days for a team to employ a player solely for scoring goals maybe except Ronaldo for madrid

Even a CF has to do more than scoring. In Conte sytem, the front striker need to hold up the ball and bring our two am into play similar to Kane role in Spurs. Just watch Spurs vs United, Kane was absolutely brilliant although he does not score but his hold up was the reason they can attack brilliantly.

I don't disagree. I'm just going off what we have/had; Michy had a presence that any striker we play at this club needs to have instead of someone falling like a leaf.

Think the general problem nowadays, is people wanting everything from players regardless of where they play. Basics should be come first whilst the rest follows.

13 minutes ago, communicate said:

Is that Conte's fault not to change his system to suit Michy's strength or Michy's fault because he cannot fit into Conte System 

This point keeps coming up but how can one adjust with limited game time. How many players are going to go down the same route?

[FabHazard 655]

Ofcourse he is going to score a lot ...When you see the amount of space he gets it is ridiculous...Cannot compare it to Premier League where it is more physical and teams sit back without giving any space

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I don't disagree. I'm just going off what we have/had; Michy had a presence that any striker we play at this club needs to have instead of someone falling like a leaf.

Think the general problem nowadays, is people wanting everything from players regardless of where they play. Basics should be come first whilst the rest follows.

This point keeps coming up but how can one adjust with limited game time. How many players are going to go down the same route?

It is not people want everything from a player but that is what it required in modern football. It is no longer enough for a cb to be just good at defending, they have to be good at build up. If you don't have that your build up will always be inferior compare to your opponents, just look as the our build up compare to spurs. Same for a cf, that is the reality. 

I agree that Conte should have played Michy more, not as a starter but to complement Morata. As a single striker, his performance with us was bad, really bad. You forget Michy was our starter over Morata early season but he was awful.  He cannot hold the ball and bring our am into play. You said you want basic thing, for Conte system that is the basic for a cf not scoring. 

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It is not people want everything from a player but that is what it required in modern football. It is no longer enough for a cb to be just good at defending, they have to be good at build up. If you don't have that your build up will always be inferior compare to your opponents, just look as the our build up compare to spurs. Same for a cf, that is the reality. 

I agree that Conte should have played Michy more, not as a starter but to complement Morata. As a single striker, his performance with us was bad, really bad. You forget Michy was our starter over Morata early season but he was awful.  He cannot hold the ball and bring our am into play. You said you want basic thing, for Conte system that is the basic for a cf not scoring. 

 

It's all dependant on your style. We supposedly bought a ball playing CB in Rudiger. How has that work out this far?

 

Tevez played as CF most of the time for Juve - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/carlos-tevez/leistungsdaten/spieler/4276/plus/0?saison=2014

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/carlos-tevez/leistungsdaten/spieler/4276/plus/0?saison=2013

 

Almost 55 goals in two seasons & involved in another 21. Morata alone is the issue and nothing else IMO.

 

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Conte misused Michy. I find hilarious that people complain about Batshuayi’s consistency when Conte plays him 15-30 seconds.

This quite similar to Mourinho KDB situation. And no Michy isn’t as good as Kevin but he’s a lot better than the scraps Conte gave him.

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

Conte needs to go. We need someone who doesn’t play favourites every game.

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, Mana said:

Bats played 70+ minutes in a handful of games. Useless in all of those.

I really find this hilarious. One game which is his debut, and a few here is going bonkers pointing fingers at Conte.  

Better be ready for more next week. Dortmund play another relegation fodder - second from bottom Hamburg.

[YorkshireBlue 3,275]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

Better be ready for more next week. Dortmund play another relegation fodder - second from bottom Hamburg.

Laughable init 😂😂 its was useless here in a competitive league, half his first touches ended up here in Yorkshire lol. Now because he's gone to a league that's ruled by one team and scored on his debut he's suddenly become quality. He scored goals here to remember guys still was fucking shite.

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[The Skipper 20,609]

13 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

well, I told you so.

Other than we Dortmund create many chances, throw many bodies up front so a stirker who finishes their simply chances is exactly what they need. Well done Bats, hopefully we can resell him expensively. He is just who he is and it is not his fault Conte thinks we need a striker to create his own chances. But then again it has only been one game against the worst side in Bundesliga. There will be tougher challenges.

It’s why PEA thrived. Michy more than capable of filling his boots as he is also a very good finisher. 

[The Skipper 20,609]

3 hours ago, Mana said:

Bats played 70+ minutes in a handful of games. Useless in all of those.

 

I really find this hilarious. One game which is his debut, and a few here is going bonkers pointing fingers at Conte.  

You and @Jason actually think Michy was treated fairly here? Has Michy ever even started 3 games in a row here? We know his weaknesses, but let’s not pretend Conte’s been fair with Michy. 

[Jase 43,479]

42 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

You and @Jason actually think Michy was treated fairly here? Has Michy ever even started 3 games in a row here? We know his weaknesses, but let’s not pretend Conte’s been fair with Michy. 

I never said Batshuayi was treated fairly or unfairly by Conte. But since you brought this up, Bats never gave Conte any reason to play him for consecutive games.

[The Skipper 20,609]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

I never said Batshuayi was treated fairly or unfairly by Conte. But since you brought this up, Bats never gave Conte any reason to play him for consecutive games.

It’s what you were insinuating. Each to their own anyway. Conte doesn’t need sound logic or reasons to play players let’s be honest (see Gary Cahill). It’s not really a meritocracy here. Will never forget Conte’s treatment of Michy when Costa basically went missing for 6 months. 

[mccg 1,528]

Think this kinda shows the  + of his game and why CFC signed him and how we can use him next season with the evolution of him and more importantly the squad but that has to come from the back to the midfield . In the end he scores goals with a good ratio!

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[Azpinator 2,325]

15 hours ago, LukakutoStamford said:

Conte misused Michy. I find hilarious that people complain about Batshuayi’s consistency when Conte plays him 15-30 seconds.

This quite similar to Mourinho KDB situation. And no Michy isn’t as good as Kevin but he’s a lot better than the scraps Conte gave him.

I'm sorry but I think nothing is similar to what Mourinho did to De Bruyne.

The Mourinho/Mata situation is the one I'd compare this to since both players didn't fit the coach's preferred system/style of play.