🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Tammy Abraham

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, 1905didierblue said:

We honestly have the worst set of fans. No kidding. 

Some fuckwitt who posts stuff on Twitter is not a true reflection off Chelsea fans. It could have been anyone posting those tweets knowing full well they're going to be highlighted by the media. Forums like this are more of a barometer of true Chelsea fans not racists masquerading as Chelsea fans on social media.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[1905didierblue 748]

2 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Some fuckwitt who posts stuff on Twitter is not a true reflection off Chelsea fans. It could have been anyone posting those tweets knowing full well they're going to be highlighted by the media. Forums like this are more of a barometer of true Chelsea fans not racists masquerading as Chelsea fans on social media.

It's not the first time Chelsea fans have done something racially motivated, be it on social media and/or match days and/or subways.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

13 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

It's not the first time Chelsea fans have done something racially motivated, be it on social media and/or match days and/or subways.

No it's not but let's not tar us all with the same brush. You can't say we're the worse set of fans just because of a handful of arseholes.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

21 hours ago, Robchels said:

For every Emerson, a case where a run of games allows the player to improve, because he actually had potential, there are 100 others who don’t get the minutes because they really shouldn’t.

that’s why we have the manager and a myriad of coaches to assess that. Like tomo said, different managers don’t like what they see in bats in training or in matches.

looks like the club will rather give Tammy minutes instead, and I have no problem with that. Just think it’s risky business for Lampard.

Literaly this was what people were saying before Emerson improved.

Its all about seeing what you want to see. Abraham destroyed second league, so its hard to say he isnt talented. 

Maybe he will never be good, but to write him off after two games is complete bollocks.

I remember people people writting Kdb and Salah off too, saying they will never be good enough for us. And sometimes even managers make big mistakes. 

I mean Giroud will never ever improve and be important player here. Abraham has a tiny chance to become good. In a season where we dont have much options, I dont see a reason why not test most of our young players. If one explodes, that means we save millions next summer and strenghten elsewhere.

But if everyone judged players based on two games, we would still be playing with the likes of Alonso. Safe options and all. Complete turds though.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

20 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I certainly didn't shit on Emerson consider what was ahead of him.

 

Didnt mean you personaly, just fans in general.

[Tomo 21,751]

4 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Literaly this was what people were saying before Emerson improved.

Its all about seeing what you want to see. Abraham destroyed second league, so its hard to say he isnt talented. 

Maybe he will never be good, but to write him off after two games is complete bollocks.

I remember people people writting Kdb and Salah off too, saying they will never be good enough for us. And sometimes even managers make big mistakes. 

I mean Giroud will never ever improve and be important player here. Abraham has a tiny chance to become good. In a season where we dont have much options, I dont see a reason why not test most of our young players. If one explodes, that means we save millions next summer and strenghten elsewhere.

But if everyone judged players based on two games, we would still be playing with the likes of Alonso. Safe options and all. Complete turds though.

But on the flip the "he's only 20/21/22" card was repeatedly used as Lukaku's defense even though it was pretty clear he wasn't going to get much better than he was.

I don't think anyone said KDB wasn't good enough, i think many people (wrongly) gave Jose the benefit of the doubt because of his history with us, me included. Salah yes, but even the coaches likely didn't see such a rise coming.Which brings me onto my next point, the coaches in general should be able to work out who has potential and who hasn't. We have tens if not hundreds of well paid coaches here to make a judgement on a players ability and potential and suss out who has a chance to make it and who doesn't.

Me personally re Tammy? Funnily enough i think he's in a similar boat to Lukaku back then, certainly has attributes to make an impact at Chelsea but long term it will probably be more in a squad player capacity. Rom weren't having that, lets see how Tammy will feel down the line.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Thank god, I do not use twitter. I would be in a constant state of rage. It is not possible to condemn racism too often or too much. Also hate how this shadows the public image of the club and we can do nothing about it. But it is obviously worse for Tammy. I am confident he will handle this and wish him to bounce back even more now. 

And before anyone comes calling me a hypocrite, yes I still think Tammy is not the type of player we need, but I hope I am wrong and he has my support on this. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Literaly this was what people were saying before Emerson improved.

Its all about seeing what you want to see. Abraham destroyed second league, so its hard to say he isnt talented. 

Maybe he will never be good, but to write him off after two games is complete bollocks.

I remember people people writting Kdb and Salah off too, saying they will never be good enough for us. And sometimes even managers make big mistakes. 

I mean Giroud will never ever improve and be important player here. Abraham has a tiny chance to become good. In a season where we dont have much options, I dont see a reason why not test most of our young players. If one explodes, that means we save millions next summer and strenghten elsewhere.

But if everyone judged players based on two games, we would still be playing with the likes of Alonso. Safe options and all. Complete turds though.

I very much disagree with calling a player who won us many games, playing as a starter for the entire winning campaign, a turd. I just happen to value silverware, winning, and important goals.

you get that I was actually referring to batshuaiy and why he does not get games and has not during the tenure of several managers, right?

for every Emerson, who might have been able to contribute sooner and even rotate with Alonso, there were players we never got to see bc they were bad. Emerson btw who had barely played (made that point in his thread many times). I barely saw KDB play. I was one of the 3-4 ppl who saw a lot of potential in salah, but you can’t even do that if the player does not play. The question is always should he even get minutes?

whether a player plays or not is entirely up to the manager and coaches at the club. They watch them in practice drills, we don’t. A lot of the poor players we never get to see because coaches will take one look at them and see that they aren’t going to cut it.

sometimes they err in not giving time to players who deserve it, and others by giving time to players who don’t, like bakayoko. That’s normal and happens everywhere, but again, we don’t see a lot of their successes. Of course KDB and salah were special fuckups, but those too happen a lot. We shouldn’t be crying for missing on lukaku for 70m now should we?

regarding giroud, not sure who you are arguing with - nobody said giroud is going to improve or that he’s a solution for us. Just that at this time, against tough opposition, he’s the better option.

Losing or struggling does not help with the confidence of the younger players either. Senior players are more used to these various different situations, whereas youngsters may lose confidence more easily. Giroud also offers more even when he is not scoring, which at this time is more important for the team.

I also do not see a lot of potential in tammy tbh, but he should and will get minutes this season. There is no need to rush him though, given that giroud can help at this time of transition and give that air of stability this young team needs.

[1905didierblue 748]

5 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

No it's not but let's not tar us all with the same brush. You can't say we're the worse set of fans just because of a handful of arseholes.

Fair enough.

But it's not just about the racism aspect. The entitlement, the amount of vitriol thrown at our own players, it's just shocking. 

I mean look at the forum, zouma's not good enough, Tammy's not good enough, Frank's not good enough. I am not a drinkwater/bakayoko fan, but to call them donkeywater and donkeyoko is just weird. It's not like they are playing poorly on purpose. They are average footballers, that our board over paid for. 

I don't like kovacic. But once we signed him, he is my player. I will support him till he wears the blue. 

Believe me, none of this is directed towards you, but just an honest assessment of a Chelsea fan on here. 

Maybe fans of other clubs are as bad, I don't know, I honestly don't follow. So I might be very wrong in saying "Chelsea fans are the worst". But of what I have been reading and seeing for a long time, it's bad and it's getting worse. 

[MONEYBALL 20]

8 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Fair enough.

But it's not just about the racism aspect. The entitlement, the amount of vitriol thrown at our own players, it's just shocking. 

I mean look at the forum, zouma's not good enough, Tammy's not good enough, Frank's not good enough. I am not a drinkwater/bakayoko fan, but to call them donkeywater and donkeyoko is just weird. It's not like they are playing poorly on purpose. They are average footballers, that our board over paid for. 

I don't like kovacic. But once we signed him, he is my player. I will support him till he wears the blue. 

Believe me, none of this is directed towards you, but just an honest assessment of a Chelsea fan on here. 

Maybe fans of other clubs are as bad, I don't know, I honestly don't follow. So I might be very wrong in saying "Chelsea fans are the worst". But of what I have been reading and seeing for a long time, it's bad and it's getting worse. 

You're perfectly right but we live a big part of our life supporting a football club, sometimes two as i do, we dream of great games, about players  fighting, till the end, on the pitch for our colours, we pray for victories, for opponents on their knees and for heroes who'll defeat our enemies . We are not amateurs ballet and poetry, most of us come from the gutter where this sport was born, most of us are still standed in an antique circus, we are men of the past, we'll still be for a longtime.

About poetry this is for you and for everyone who didn't understand yet you can't live for love when you're a football supporter. Bread and circuses... 

When men will live for love 

This will bring peace to the world

The soldiers will be troubadours

But we, we will be dead my brother

Peace on earth and glory to Chelsea !

[Thor 2,712]

Play Tammy or Michy every game. 

What good is Giroud? 2 in 27 last season, not part of our future, and is completely opposite to the style of football we are trying to play. 

Transition season. Perfect time to play all this youth given the little expectations. I would encourage the young players as much as you can and even if they make mistakes. As long as they learn, perfect. 

 

On another note, Tammy has actually played quite well regardless of the miss. Constantly in good positions and putting pressure on. I say this as someone who didn't really rate him prior to any of this. Very encouraging when he is on the field. 

[MONEYBALL 20]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

Play Tammy or Michy every game. 

What good is Giroud? 2 in 27 last season, not part of our future, and is completely opposite to the style of football we are trying to play. 

Transition season. Perfect time to play all this youth given the little expectations. I would encourage the young players as much as you can and even if they make mistakes. As long as they learn, perfect. 

 

On another note, Tammy has actually played quite well regardless of the miss. Constantly in good positions and putting pressure on. I say this as someone who didn't really rate him prior to any of this. Very encouraging when he is on the field. 

2 in 27 ? 27 entire games ? Really ? 

Transition season ? It mea

[MONEYBALL 20]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

Play Tammy or Michy every game. 

What good is Giroud? 2 in 27 last season, not part of our future, and is completely opposite to the style of football we are trying to play. 

Transition season. Perfect time to play all this youth given the little expectations. I would encourage the young players as much as you can and even if they make mistakes. As long as they learn, perfect. 

 

On another note, Tammy has actually played quite well regardless of the miss. Constantly in good positions and putting pressure on. I say this as someone who didn't really rate him prior to any of this. Very encouraging when he is on the field. 

2 in 27 ? 27 entire games ? Really ? 

Transition season ? it's journalist words not real chelsea fan. I want to see my team win and for we need the best players on the pitch, not the players who'll may be the best in 2 years. We have the players to win trophies, Giroud is one of them, let's play the more efficient players right now, let's get results, it's the easier way to build up a future, you can't integrate young players in a club in crisis. We are Chelsea, we are not Watford or Bournemouth !

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

12 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Fair enough.

But it's not just about the racism aspect. The entitlement, the amount of vitriol thrown at our own players, it's just shocking. 

I mean look at the forum, zouma's not good enough, Tammy's not good enough, Frank's not good enough. I am not a drinkwater/bakayoko fan, but to call them donkeywater and donkeyoko is just weird. It's not like they are playing poorly on purpose. They are average footballers, that our board over paid for. 

I don't like kovacic. But once we signed him, he is my player. I will support him till he wears the blue. 

Believe me, none of this is directed towards you, but just an honest assessment of a Chelsea fan on here. 

Maybe fans of other clubs are as bad, I don't know, I honestly don't follow. So I might be very wrong in saying "Chelsea fans are the worst". But of what I have been reading and seeing for a long time, it's bad and it's getting worse. 

The fact is you have to differentiate between a match day going fan and someone on the internet. There are over the top posts on here no doubt about it and slagging off certain players all the time is pointless. It's not something I go for personally Baka's crap we all know it what's the point in continually making vitriolic posts about him. Willian is very popular with the match going fan almost universally hated on every single Chelsea forum.

As far as I'm concerned every football club is as bad as each other when it comes to idiotic fans on the internet. This forum is mild compared to what I've seen posted I don't actively look at other teams forums but Liverpool, Spurs, and Man United are comfortably the worst.

As for match going fans Chelsea had a terrible record on racism going back to the 70's I could post stories on here that frankly are shameful. It was mainly Chelsea's firm who were racist and this is not the definitive answer but they all came from the suburbs where back then it was all white areas they didn't grow up on housing estates like us were you went to school with black and asian kids played in the same football teams as them etc. But you'll never completely eradicate it and Chelsea have done a lot in 40 years to get rid of them and have been on the whole successful.

I really can't stand social media Twitter has been called a cesspool and rightly so. When you have a ubertwat like Trump posting racist remarks then you're going to have the trickle down effect where other brainless crettins will follow. This link shows Twitter in the worst possible light but to say these geezers are Chelsea fans or indiciticative of your average Chelsea fan is just not true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7359867/Chelsea-striker-Tammy-Abraham-racially-abused-social-media-following-UEFA-Super-Cup-defeat.htm

 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

3 hours ago, MONEYBALL said:

You're perfectly right but we live a big part of our life supporting a football club, sometimes two as i do, we dream of great games, about players  fighting, till the end, on the pitch for our colours, we pray for victories, for opponents on their knees and for heroes who'll defeat our enemies . We are not amateurs ballet and poetry, most of us come from the gutter where this sport was born, most of us are still standed in an antique circus, we are men of the past, we'll still be for a longtime.

About poetry this is for you and for everyone who didn't understand yet you can't live for love when you're a football supporter. Bread and circuses... 

When men will live for love 

This will bring peace to the world

The soldiers will be troubadours

But we, we will be dead my brother

Peace on earth and glory to Chelsea !

What in the name of sanity is this ha ha. 

[MONEYBALL 20]

22 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

What in the name of sanity is this ha ha. 

My medical knowledge is as poor as my english vocabulory but it could be something like lucidity and non conformist view. Do you think we are, the fan football, the wisest and the most intelligent people among the humanity ? May be you are, i'm not, if i was, i would'nt loose my time always hoping my team beat another team, my players, my gladiators in the arena wear our colours the highest possible. Football  carry in itself a violent part of us , i don't like it but it's a fact we cannot forget, you'll never see battles or hear racist insults during a badmington game.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

We are not amateurs ballet and poetry, most of us come from the gutter where this sport was born,

Errr not on here buddy or at the matches.

We might be basicly working class hero's but from the gutter i'm not having that.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

14 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

Errr not on here buddy or at the matches.

We might be basicly working class hero's but from the gutter i'm not having that.

That post has been attributed to me Willie ha ha.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

31 minutes ago, MONEYBALL said:

My medical knowledge is as poor as my english vocabulory but it could be something like lucidity and non conformist view. Do you think we are, the fan football, the wisest and the most intelligent people among the humanity ? May be you are, i'm not, if i was, i would'nt loose my time always hoping my team beat another team, my players, my gladiators in the arena wear our colours the highest possible. Football  carry in itself a violent part of us , i don't like it but it's a fact we cannot forget, you'll never see battles or hear racist insults during a badmington game.

Mate honestly your post made me laugh it's not the sort of thing we get on here. You seem like a deep thinker the deepest we get on here is if we should play a sweeper. Not a good simile by the way badminton and football.