bababoom 4,478 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Yeah 4-1-4-1 is basically a 4-3-3, Kante was the holding player while Matic/Chalobah and Cesc/Oscar were more advanced. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Eidur the Spider 4,515 Posted August 5, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted August 5, 2016 Conte is keen to bolster his back line, while as many as five could be heading [out] the other way (Standard) #CFC Barbara, Blue_Fox_, obiwan92 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 47 minutes ago, Eidur the Spider said: Conte is keen to bolster his back line, while as many as five could be heading [out] the other way (Standard) #CFC Oscar Mikel Iva Remy Miazga/Matic Adnane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Mikel, Iva, Remy, Oscar and pedro.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 We really have to shrink that squad considerably. We need a centre-back and left-footed left-back and that should sort our incomings. I don't believe that we may end up not signing a defender and not having in the squad left-footed full-back having ditched one already. I also don't think we will sign a right winger. Conte has already shown that he doesn't like to rotate back four. Having said that, if we will indeed sign CB + LB we have 8 defenders and that's too much. Aina may end up on loan. Do we ditch Chalobah again and Mikel John Obi will stay ? I can only guess. I don't remember player from the Academy who begged for loan more than RLC now. He just needs to sort so many things, fitness level, awareness, speed of thoughts. He needs plenty of minutes. Kenedy, Moses, Pedro, Cuadrado - 2 of them should go. We have 40 games scheduled so far. I think we should go with 19-20 outfield players MAX. Remember that we went with worse numbers into 2012/13 season when we played 69 games. Blue-in-me-Veins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 On 8/4/2016 at 4:03 PM, LDN Blue said: I doubt anyone would disagree. Overall consensus is, no-one wants Lukaku I wish that was the consensus in the club too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Barbara said: I wish that was the consensus in the club too I'd love to see him and either Costa or Bats together. Id use Lukaku-Costa and keep subbing Bats on rotation each game 13 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said: We really have to shrink that squad considerably. We need a centre-back and left-footed left-back and that should sort our incomings. I don't believe that we may end up not signing a defender and not having in the squad left-footed full-back having ditched one already. I also don't think we will sign a right winger. Conte has already shown that he doesn't like to rotate back four. Having said that, if we will indeed sign CB + LB we have 8 defenders and that's too much. Aina may end up on loan. Do we ditch Chalobah again and Mikel John Obi will stay ? I can only guess. I don't remember player from the Academy who begged for loan more than RLC now. He just needs to sort so many things, fitness level, awareness, speed of thoughts. He needs plenty of minutes. Kenedy, Moses, Pedro, Cuadrado - 2 of them should go. We have 40 games scheduled so far. I think we should go with 19-20 outfield players MAX. Remember that we went with worse numbers into 2012/13 season when we played 69 games. We really have to shrink that squad considerably. - YES! We need a centre-back and left-footed left-back and that should sort our incomings. I don't believe that we may end up not signing a defender and not having in the squad left-footed full-back having ditched one already. I also don't think we will sign a right winger. - YES! Dont need a RW as Square has been better than Willian this pre season. Time at a big winning club that adore him has realy boosted his ego. Seeing how direct he runs at defenders is what Willian doesn't do. Please god let him stay. Conte has already shown that he doesn't like to rotate back four. Having said that, if we will indeed sign CB + LB we have 8 defenders and that's too much. Aina may end up on loan. - We dont have any bloody defenders that we can rotate with! Cahil,Iva/JT gotta go. They just dont suit the style of play now. If we dnt get CB/FB then we are buggered. I don't remember player from the Academy who begged for loan more than RLC now. He just needs to sort so many things, fitness level, awareness, speed of thoughts. He needs plenty of minutes. - YES totally agree. Should have gone sooner IMHO but think he was just hyped too much to go back on it and I cant see him going nowhere now unfortunately. Kenedy, Moses, Pedro, Cuadrado - 2 of them should go. - Kenedy has been a now show which is a shame as I had alot of hope for him. Same with Pedro. Moses and Square have been great this preseason and we would be daft to let them go anywhere. Moses is excellent alternative to Esen and could be a gamechanger. Same with Square. We have 40 games scheduled so far. I think we should go with 19-20 outfield players MAX. Remember that we went with worse numbers into 2012/13 season when we played 69 games. - So just xause we aren't in Europe this year we sell everyone? So what happens next year when we are there? We have to spend loads to fill the squad again. Its not about the amount of people we got its about the lack of quality depoth and creativity. We need to bring players on that can offer an alternative to whats on the putch at the time. Not just replace like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Styles 9,790 Posted August 6, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted August 6, 2016 The season is a week away and we still have the same rubbish defence we did last season. This is ridiculous. Essien19, bellion, kellzfresh and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 8 minutes ago, Styles said: The season is a week away and we still have the same rubbish defence we did last season. This is ridiculous. It's like we're not really serious about it at this point. We badly need a centerback who is good at defending in one on one situations. So far only Azpi and pre-injury zouma as defenders can defend in one on one situations in a whole Chelsea FC. It's a catastrophe, we need to prioritize a defender at all cost, and if Koulibaly is delaying and arsenal is competing for mustafi the chances of getting an instant improvement on someone comfortable on the ball with one on one defending is low. Hopefully we're trying behind the scenes because this defense will pull the whole team down if it's not addressed. Styles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Well we know how our board sees things. Conte had a great team defensively at Juventus, so that should automatically mean he can turn whatever players we give him into similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Styles 9,790 Posted August 6, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted August 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, kellzfresh said: It's like we're not really serious about it at this point. We badly need a centerback who is good at defending in one on one situations. So far only Azpi and pre-injury zouma as defenders can defend in one on one situations in a whole Chelsea FC. It's a catastrophe, we need to prioritize a defender at all cost, and if Koulibaly is delaying and arsenal is competing for mustafi the chances of getting an instant improvement on someone comfortable on the ball with one on one defending is low. Hopefully we're trying behind the scenes because this defense will pull the whole team down if it's not addressed. 3 of our back 4 can't defend one vs one. We have the slowest CB pairing in world football and to compound that we'll have Ivanovic at RB who is equally slow. Unionjack, FabHazard, Despiadado.Maleante and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio8 736 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 30 minutes ago, Leif said: Well we know how our board sees things. Conte had a great team defensively at Juventus, so that should automatically mean he can turn whatever players we give him into similar. big mistake thinking like that..it's real that conte turns shit in flower, but it is necessary to buy at least one CB and one RB.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Antonio8 said: big mistake thinking like that..it's real that conte turns shit in flower, but it is necessary to buy at least one CB and one RB.. Would rather have a left footed LB. I'm sure that none of us are doubting our lads hearts, Just their speed, lungs.and incompatibility for the battle ahead of us. I really can't imagine (or hope) that Conte and the board would gamble as we did last season, that we coud be a danger in England let alone in Europe, with our current lads. It would be a real shame for us to make this tremendous start with Conte,Kannte and Bats only to get royally fucked up by our defenders and say goodbye to Conte for it next season cause you know it would happen. Im only presuming that a change will happen at the back but I just cant understand why its been left so late in the window when the more time to gel the lads together the better. In Conte we really must trust. Antonio8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Peace. 4,352 Posted August 6, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted August 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Styles said: 3 of our back 4 can't defend one vs one. We have the slowest CB pairing in world football and to compound that we'll have Ivanovic at RB who is equally slow. *2 out of 4 play out of position. *2 out of 4 lack cruelly of agility, pace and mobility (and Cahill is soon to join them). *3 out of 4 cannot play the high-line and the pressing game. *4 out of 4 are not ball player. In other words, our defense is anti-modern. And the most alarming observation is that it is not even a problem of individual, but a problem of our whole defensive line. Our back-four should have been overhauled a long time ago and it is overdue for at least three years. Benitez, for as much as I do not appreciate him, started to reshuffle our defence (Terry on the bench and Azpilicueta introduced as right-back) yet the Individual-One came and, with his exceptional long-term vision, undid this reshuffling. He kept and affirmed as indisputable starting players the defenders that should have been benched ; the only change he made was to waste our should-have-been right-back at the left-back position. The outcome is that have have now in defence three players that should have been phased out three years ago. Most worryingly, the Board is making the same mistake it has made during the pre-Emenalo era. Back then they were happy to basically keep the team of 2006 until 2010 without altering it — the outcome was that horrendous Ancelotti's "Bad Moment©". On the one hand, we are fortunate that right now the mistake is only regarding the back-line and not the whole team (it is already an improvement), but on the second hand we have a far worst situation in world football that we had in 2010. For a starter, Terry should not have seen his contract renewed this summer as it would have forced us to buy a defender. Sometimes you need to untie your rope, leave your comfort zone and make the big jump. We already made the mistake with Lampard (i.e. holding on him till the end) and right now we still are in search for a central playmaker (Fabregas is a stop gap)... And we are making the same mistake with Terry and to a lesser extend Ivanovic. Anyway, we are in a dire situation and the defence overhaul should have started weeks ago (in regards to this mercato) — such a dire situation that we are not even in need of a world-class defenders ; no, just above average defenders that can do the basics correctly (i.e. pass the ball, run, defend one on one). Because as of right now, not only our back-line jeopardises our defensive solidity, but it also jeopardises our whole team functioning. Look at Barcelona : they have individually average defenders (some of them are not even defenders), yet they complement very well their attacking players. As for us, our defenders are heavy concrete bricks that drag us to the bottom of the Thames. Thus, if nitpicking with the best defenders is not working, we should aim lesser targets and buy modern and competent defenders in stead of holding on our decadent defensive line. Sovieticus, Styles, Heisenberg and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Anoter season with Iva-Cahill-Terry and we are done. kellzfresh, Peace., TheIceMan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 No Djilobodji No Baba Miazga might go on Loan Zouma is still not fit I really can't see us not signing CB+LB... Antonio8 and Blue-in-me-Veins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio8 736 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Unionjack said: Would rather have a left footed LB. I'm sure that none of us are doubting our lads hearts, Just their speed, lungs.and incompatibility for the battle ahead of us. I really can't imagine (or hope) that Conte and the board would gamble as we did last season, that we coud be a danger in England let alone in Europe, with our current lads. It would be a real shame for us to make this tremendous start with Conte,Kannte and Bats only to get royally fucked up by our defenders and say goodbye to Conte for it next season cause you know it would happen. Im only presuming that a change will happen at the back but I just cant understand why its been left so late in the window when the more time to gel the lads together the better. In Conte we really must trust. yes LB sorry.. i don't understand too my friend..it's late, 6 august.. at least a fast CB must be signed in.. in conte i already trust.. Unionjack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Antonio8 said: yes LB sorry.. i don't understand too my friend..it's late, 6 august.. at least a fast CB must be signed in.. in conte i already trust.. Hope its not a last minute panic buy and so we need to look in the winter sale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio8 736 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, Unionjack said: Hope its not a last minute panic buy and so we need to look in the winter sale! don't be melodramatic!!! LB= de sciglio ---->25 mil CB= caceres free + gonzalo rodriguez 25-30 mil. there are a lot of good CB that are just waiting for our call.. come on!! on sell: oscar=40-50 mil what do you think is it realistic? i think so.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, Antonio8 said: don't be melodramatic!!! LB= de sciglio ---->25 mil CB= caceres free + gonzalo rodriguez 25-30 mil. there are a lot of good CB that are just waiting for our call.. come on!! on sell: oscar=40-50 mil what do you think is it realistic? i think so.. Not being melodramatic. Its happened before But bruv I think anything better than what we got is reaistic but we dont need to convince each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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