ack17 205 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Hazard is just another Casillas in Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Genius ? I really don't think so. Again I think he's a great coach, arguably the best ( I don't have any opinion about that ) but there wouldn't even be a shade of doubt about him being the best was he the genius some people think he is. People use the word " genius " way too lightly in my opinion.No.. he's a footballing genius. He has forgotten more about the sport than we'll ever know. 21 trophies in 10 years. Won the league in Portugal, Spain, Italy, and England. Helped countless players reach their potential. His methods may not be popular, and he may drive certain players out. But he is a genius. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Hazard is just another Casillas in Chelsea.No way. *That* sort of circus is impossible in any team but Real Madrid and let's hope it stands this way.Hazard just did a really stupid thing that went public, he'll think twice next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulTaker 46 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Probably you have a point, but - he made Ronaldo a better player by making him work more for the team, he moved Ramos to central defence and got him to be one of the best at the position, got Snejder to play the best he ever did, got Deco who was by then by popular opinion unreliable and fading away when something didn't go right to perform consistently, got Ibra to work, got Benzema to work...I think his issue is more not with the players who are stars but with trying to implement his "team first" philosophy. There are bound to be players who can't cope with it. Ah don't get me wrong, I didn't meant to imply he can't raise players, he surely can. What I meant it's the type of players that play more with their senses and feelings, I did say in my previous post " the word " genius " is used too lightly " but I really do believe this kind of players can be called genius, something they have but can't be raised/trained. I feel like mourinho is just too true to his tactics and it conflict with those kind of player would need to be able to roam freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 No.. he's a footballing genius. He has forgotten more about the sport than we'll ever know. 21 trophies in 10 years. Won the league in Portugal, Spain, Italy, and England. Helped countless players reach their potential. His methods may not be popular, and he may drive certain players out. But he is a genius.That he's forgotten about football more than this whole board combined ever knew - that's probably a fact But genius? Einstein is genius, Leonardo da Vinci is genius, football coach is just not on this scale.He is a good coach, a great coach even, won in 12 years more than others do in a lifetime, knows a lot about football - but then doesn't know a lot as well and makes mistakes just like others. Less mistakes, probably, but he still makes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 That he's forgotten about football more than this whole board combined ever knew - that's probably a fact But genius? Einstein is genius, Leonardo da Vinci is genius, football coach is just not on this scale.He is a good coach, a great coach even, won in 12 years more than others do in a lifetime, knows a lot about football - but then doesn't know a lot as well and makes mistakes just like others. Less mistakes, probably, but he still makes them.Footballing genius, it was in the first sentence! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Partridge 1,124 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Hazard may have a bad attitude, we already know he was a lazy sod when Jose first came back. Hazard is only young and he needs to learn when to keep quiet, he won't make the same mistake twice. I don't think Jose needed to fire back in the press but, maybe he thinks it will get a positive response from Hazard and show him who is boss. I will defiantly side with the man who has won 2 Champions league titles and league titles in Portugal,England,Italy and Spain. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulTaker 46 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 No.. he's a footballing genius. He has forgotten more about the sport than we'll ever know. 21 trophies in 10 years. Won the league in Portugal, Spain, Italy, and England. Helped countless players reach their potential. His methods may not be popular, and he may drive certain players out. But he is a genius.I really can't agree with this, Mourinho is a hard worker just like he like his player to be, he's someone who worked really hard to get where he's and it's because of that he's staying true to his approach of the football, because it's what made him what he's today. A genius isn't something you aim to be it's something you're since you're born ( ofcourse you still need to work hard for it to hold any meanings ) It's not like I put too much thought in coaching since I watch football but we may have yet to see what a " real " genius could do with a team in his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I feel like mourinho is just too true to his tactics and it conflict with those kind of player would need to be able to roam freely.But then how many players in modern football you can name who can be allowed this freedom without compromising the team? Messi, Ronaldo, Pirlo (and with him it already backfires for Juve sometimes). And Snejder and Ozil had enough freedom to create in his team, so probably he can adapt system to this sort of players too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulTaker 46 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 But then how many players in modern football you can name who can be allowed this freedom without compromising the team? Messi, Ronaldo, Pirlo (and with him it already backfires for Juve sometimes). And Snejder and Ozil had enough freedom to create in his team, so probably he can adapt system to this sort of players too.I think this is a " whole " and again it comes down to coaching abilities, I said it in my previous post but I think we have yet to see what a real genius could do with a team in his hands, In the end it's just a matter of automatism, team works and organization to me ( like I -tried to- explain(ed) in the Hazard thread ).I really do feel that right now Hazard potential is somewhat being wasted... Now It's not like I know anything about him except what we see from him on the field and the image he let us see of him in interviews etc hence the " feeling ".People are talking about how more consistent he's compared to last year, and I agree he's ( except lately ). But in the end, being consistent, only mean reducing/closing the gap in a player up and down.in no way does it mean becoming a better player. He does feel more mature and less raw than last years but I also do believe he looks less promising than he was.. that's why I wanted you're opinion on whether Mourinho is the type that can " raise " this tpye of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I think this is a " whole " and again it comes down to coaching abilities, I said it in my previous post but I think we have yet to see what a real genius could do with a team in his hands, In the end it's just a matter of automatism, team works and organization to me ( like I -tried to- explain(ed) in the Hazard thread ).I really do feel that right now Hazard potential is somewhat being wasted... Now It's not like I know anything about him except what we see from him on the field and the image he let us see of him in interviews etc hence the " feeling ".People are talking about how more consistent he's compared to last year, and I agree he's ( except lately ). But in the end, being consistent, only mean reducing/closing the gap in a player up and down.in no way does it mean becoming a better player. He does feel more mature and less raw than last years but I also do believe he looks less promising than he was.. that's why I wanted you're opinion on whether Mourinho is the type that can " raise " this tpye of players.Hazard does have discipline issues, as both Willmots and Mourinho commented on it. You don't get all the way up on your talent alone, you need to work your butt off as well. That's what Mourinho is good at getting out of his players.There is always a danger with very talented players that they can believe their own hype and decide that they are good enough as it is. Exampe - Bojan Krkic, back then when he and Messi were going up the ranks Krkic was considered more talented of the two and future multiple Balon d'Or winner, and all this talent got him where?I'm not sayiing Hazard is on the same path, no way - he clearly is developing, is more consistent and generally better this season. But all this "I have to do it alone" talk is not good.But there is also questions of personality. Some players need to be slapped in the face in public, and some need to be cuddled and protected. And while Mourinho is usually getting such things right he's not immune to mistakes. Muzchap and Beepu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Now his blaming his tactical mistakes on Hazard?? How many times has Hazard bailed him out this season??? He wasnt even there when we blew the league aganst a shitty Sunderland, he did not choose himself on Wednesday night when he clearly wasnt fit to start so cut the crap and admit to your mistakes not try to blame it on other people MrExcalibur100 and lionsden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I Want the football from the last double... MrExcalibur100, kellzfresh and Blue Armour 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Now his blaming his tactical mistakes on Hazard?? How many times has Hazard bailed him out this season??? He wasnt even there when we blew the league aganst a shitty Sunderland, he did not choose himself on Wednesday night when he clearly wasnt fit to start so cut the crap and admit to your mistakes not try to blame it on other people Just out of curiosity - when and where did Mourinho blame Hazard or any other player? Or now pointing out the mistake and the need to improve means blaming? kc_blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Just out of curiosity - when and where did Mourinho blame Hazard or any other player? Or now pointing out the mistake and the need to improve means blaming?The mistake was playing a half fit hazard from the start or playing with 6 defenders, or bringing on a half fit Etoo, thats the mistake not Eden failing to track back MrExcalibur100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The mistake was playing a half fit hazard from the start or playing with 6 defenders, or bringing on a half fit Etoo, thats the mistake not Eden failing to track back But Hazard failing to clear the ball from Juanfran was a mistake, he was supposed to do it and he didn't, and that was what Mourinho was talking about.And if you watched the match - we played with 4 defenders, not 6, Luiz was in the pivot (and when he did play in defence last time anyway?) and Azpi was in midfield. kc_blue and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Mou needs to start to play more attacking football against the lower teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 What are the odds Mourinho gets sacked if we dont win the PL or even finish 3rd......I mean Roman must of known that Mourinho was always going to play a certain way and not deliver his sexy football that he wants, so, this shouldn't be a surprise. However, the recent criticism from the outside might propel Roman to make a decision sooner than later in regards to Jose. MrExcalibur100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Imo, roman needs to give to Mou at least 2 more seasons... Nike, Muzchap and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 What are the odds Mourinho gets sacked if we dont win the PL or even finish 3rd......I mean Roman must of known that Mourinho was always going to play a certain way and not deliver his sexy football that he wants, so, this shouldn't be a surprise. However, the recent criticism from the outside might propel Roman to make a decision sooner than later in regards to Jose. i'd be willing to bet 1000$ he isn't going anywhere... he's already talking about transfer targets and building next year on what we've achieved this season. Roman has now owned chelsea for 10 years and has gone through a merry-go-round of world-class managers and has chosen to return to jose. My guess is that isn't an accident but more of an understanding on roman's part that we had the absolute best in the world and if you fire him, there is no place to go but downwards... also, this isn't jose's team, and roman will be aware of this. He's started to changes some things (mata, kdb sold and matic, salah and zouma bought) but none of the players brought in have been here long enough yet to make a true impact in terms of changing the shape of the team and he still has some buying to do... i think roman will judge jose more on this coming season and even then, if we fail (depending on how we fail) he might still be willing to give him some more time... this is my thinking at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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