The Mourinho Thread

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Like i heard someone else say, the league is a marathon not a sprint, and there are different circumstances surrounding different situations, have not been watching chelsea lately but ffs, there has to be patience, with a new coach or a clear change in tactics one should start making real judgements by late jan early feb.

[meetdoscar 335]

It is obvious that mourinho started working on our defence which he has done and he is now concentrating on our attack which truly showed by the amount of chances we created at everton and the high tempo we maintained at a difficult away ground so i don't know why people are complaining as its a long league and from what i saw in the last match all that we need to improve on is finishing and concentration in front of goal which is no fault of the coach. People saying mourinho's subs were a mistake are only speaking in hind sight if he did not make any sub there will even be more complaints moreover oscar and lampard are definitely great players to have as subs.

Comparing mourinho to benitez is pointless except you want to be competing for top three under benitez rather than going for the league under mourinho. There is quite a margin in terms of league performance between mourinho and benitez actually. While benitez does very well against top six teams he is hugely inconsistent against average and lower teams but mourinho on the other hand would drop points at tough away games against top six teams(naturally) but is exceptionally good in winning games against average and lower teams and this is evident in his win percentage through out his career at different leagues. As for comparing AVB to mou let's see AVB win a trophy in england first then we can attempt to compare.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Am i the only one thinking that our players underperform very very much against small teams? Since 2011 i think our players are underperforming. Dortmund has the likes of Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan scoring for fun there and we have Hazard Schurrle Oscar and Torres(mentioning only the players that are playing constantly now, more or less) not performing how they should. This season we played 4 EPL games and scored 3 goals and conceded 2.

Aubameyang and mkhitaryan finishing is light years better than any of our attacking midfielders. Light years, they score most of their chances. So thats an unfair comparison, because klopp's tactics focuses mostly in the attack and all attackers who play for dortmund fluorish

[kellzfresh 7,229]

It is obvious that mourinho started working on our defence which he has done and he is now concentrating on our attack which truly showed by the amount of chances we created at everton and the high tempo we maintained at a difficult away ground so i don't know why people are complaining as its a long league and from what i saw in the last match all that we need to improve on is finishing and concentration in front of goal which is no fault of the coach. People saying mourinho's subs were a mistake are only speaking in hind sight if he did not make any sub there will even be more complaints moreover oscar and lampard are definitely great players to have as subs.

Comparing mourinho to benitez is pointless except you want to be competing for top three under benitez rather than going for the league under mourinho. There is quite a margin in terms of league performance between mourinho and benitez actually. While benitez does very well against top six teams he is hugely inconsistent against average and lower teams but mourinho on the other hand would drop points at tough away games against top six teams(naturally) but is exceptionally good in winning games against average and lower teams and this is evident in his win percentage through out his career at different leagues. As for comparing AVB to mou let's see AVB win a trophy in england first then we can attempt to compare.

for the bolded part.

I've said it before, mourinho just got our team, so he starts by sorting out our defence so we dont concede goals silly, and then he is now focusing on the attack which happened against everton. Only finishing stopped us from scoring 3 or more in that match, patience guys patience.

[TrippingStep 336]

Ok but on the successfull Mourinho Team, he had better defensive midfielders.

And at Inter, he had three forwards who could run quite a lot, Eto'o and Milito or outmuscle opposition with Pandev. Cambiasso Motta in midfield were comfortable sitting quite deep and are good passers.

Except Schurrle, who have we who is glad to run a lot after the ball. And our midfield is the shittiest Mourinho has had.

And we play with a central defense sitting deep who puts more pressure and work on our midfield, they have to run a lot more.

It's not a squad for Mourinho.

Mata and Hazard will not play like they were under Benitez where the team was more compact and with quicker movements around them.

The defense sitting so deep is a huge problem for me as it slow our build-up too much and is making easier for the opponents to close down our players.

Luiz breaking from defense integrated in a system is a plus , not like Saturday where it's improvised and because he was pissed.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Ok but on the successfull Mourinho Team, he had better defensive midfielders.

And at Inter, he had three forwards who could run quite a lot, Eto'o and Milito or outmuscle opposition with Pandev. Cambiasso Motta in midfield were comfortable sitting quite deep and are good passers.

Except Schurrle, who have we who is glad to run a lot after the ball. And our midfield is the shittiest Mourinho has had.

And we play with a central defense sitting deep who puts more pressure and work on our midfield, they have to run a lot more.

It's not a squad for Mourinho.

Mata and Hazard will not play like they were under Benitez where the team was more compact and with quicker movements around them.

The defense sitting so deep is a huge problem for me as it slow our build-up too much and is making easier for the opponents to close down our players.

Luiz breaking from defense integrated in a system is a plus , not like Saturday where it's improvised and because he was pissed.

It's way too early for anyone to say whether this isn't a squad Mourinho can do damage with. At least give him a season.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Typical over-reacting to a bad result, happens every season - our current manager is not suited to the squad, so and so can do better and so on.

Every manager needs time to form the squad into what he wants. Mou will change whatever is necessary in the next few windows, and lets not forget when he said judge his teams in his 2nd season.

So take a chill pill and calma.

[Tomo 21,733]

These reaction's are unbelievable, all off a sudden Benitez is the better option ?

Now Rafa had a reputation at Liverpool for being a cautious manager, his Liverpool team's came to Stamford Bridge more often than not with a defensive gameplan which made our approach at Old Trafford look like all out attack.

Mourinho is quite clearly doing the same as last time, in the fact that he is sorting out the defense first and finding out our best formation, to say these aren't Mourinho players is mind-boggling. Deco, Sneijder, Tiago, Robben, Ozil, Modric are hardly the typical "Mourinho players" and they didn't do to bad under the Portuguese, did they? Infact i would say Mourinho would have loved to have had the likes Hazard, Schurrle, Ramires and Ivanovic in his last spell, especially towards to the end.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Please never mention Rafa ever again in this thread please.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

These reaction's are unbelievable, all off a sudden Benitez is the better option ?

Now Rafa had a reputation at Liverpool for being a cautious manager, his Liverpool team's came to Stamford Bridge more often than not with a defensive gameplan which made our approach at Old Trafford look like all out attack.

Mourinho is quite clearly doing the same as last time, in the fact that he is sorting out the defense first and finding out our best formation, to say these aren't Mourinho players is mind-boggling. Deco, Sneijder, Tiago, Robben, Ozil, Modric are hardly the typical "Mourinho players" and they didn't do to bad under the Portuguese, did they? Infact i would say Mourinho would have loved to have had the likes Hazard, Schurrle, Ramires and Ivanovic in his last spell, especially towards to the end.

People have short memories....Remember Benitez first 5 matches with us? Actually, I'd rather not...

[The_Flash 1,144]

The problem is, everyone knows Abramovich, and despite all this wonderful homecoming, if he goes off Jose again, he will be straight out the door again at the drop of a hat. Sadly I fear if we are not in a good position even by Christmas, which would be a real joke, really wanted Jose back, and another change will add more problems.

[Fernando 6,453]

The problem is, everyone knows Abramovich, and despite all this wonderful homecoming, if he goes off Jose again, he will be straight out the door again at the drop of a hat. Sadly I fear if we are not in a good position even by Christmas, which would be a real joke, really wanted Jose back, and another change will add more problems.

Okay so this is my opinion and I will stated as is. If you want to say something say something but don't come insulting me please.

Thank you:

Well I think it was more of a desperation for Jose coming back then Chelsea really needing him.

Cause after his Madrid stint not many team wanted him.

So he needed to come back to nurture his spirit once again.

While at Chelsea we where doing good. Heck we could have continued with Benitez and still been good. We didn't need him anymore as it was the first couple of years where the "shadow of Mourinho" hunted every manager.

I think after we hit that dead low with AVB and then had the magnificent turn around with RDM to win the CL something change.

Now Chelsea is more about being sexy and young. You know that younger product brand and trying to play a more attractive style.

Mourinho said when he came he wanted to take this challenge. He wanted to give stability to help push these younger players into the next level.

And a top manager like him deserves the chance to prove if he can do it.

But come the end of the season if Chelsea ain't playing good, or not many youth have develop as thought then his chances of long term longevity will be in jeopardy, or as you state by Christmas but I think that would be too soon to be calling his head.

[The_Flash 1,144]

Why would i insult you? Odd response,

Ok of course we didnt need him but people wanted to see him back that is all. To make out he was unwanted in the world after Madrid is rubbish though. He got Real Madrid a record points tally, and beat Barcelona a bunch of times. He had a successful period. People who say he didnt are crazy. However Real Madrid have almost a worse 'we have to have you....nah we don't want you anymore.." policy than Chelsea.

I hope that Jose can kick us into shape and really have a great season.

[didierforever 7,349]

Well I think it was more of a desperation for Jose coming back then Chelsea really needing him.

Cause after his Madrid stint not many team wanted him.

oh my god!!! seriously??? not many teams would have wanted him after 1 bad year in which he reached CL semi final and came second in la liga.

man city, psg and any of the big teams would have gone for him if it was already confirmed that jose was going to be our new manager even before the season started.

and do tell me, who we would have got if not JOSE? please enlighten me.

[Tomo 21,733]

Why would i insult you? Odd response,

Ok of course we didnt need him but people wanted to see him back that is all. To make out he was unwanted in the world after Madrid is rubbish though. He got Real Madrid a record points tally, and beat Barcelona a bunch of times. He had a successful period. People who say he didnt are crazy. However Real Madrid have almost a worse 'we have to have you....nah we don't want you anymore.." policy than Chelsea.

I hope that Jose can kick us into shape and really have a great season.

The fact people think he actually failed at Madrid is actually a compliment to just what high standards he has set himself (the ridiculously high expectation's their was probably a factor aswell).

I bet if Carlo wins a La Liga, Copa Del Rey in the next 3 years while delivering consistent CL results, he will get showered with plaudits and he doesn't have to face Barca at their absolute peak of their powers under Pep either.

[Tomo 21,733]

I do like how Jose is talking down our title chances in public, i don't believe for one second he is doing the same behind closed doors, however.

[Fernando 6,453]

oh my god!!! seriously??? not many teams would have wanted him after 1 bad year in which he reached CL semi final and came second in la liga.

man city, psg and any of the big teams would have gone for him if it was already confirmed that jose was going to be our new manager even before the season started.

and do tell me, who we would have got if not JOSE? please enlighten me.

City, and United did not wanted him.

In fact I heard a lot of how Mourinho really wanted to go to United but was not considered for it. Thus he ended coming back to Chelsea as his second choice.

As far for us, I think Benitez was starting to do a good job, especially after all the shenanigans that happen at the club.

Under that immense pressure any coach would have caved in but Benitez stuck there like a champ and continue doing his job.

Why would i insult you? Odd response,

Ok of course we didnt need him but people wanted to see him back that is all. To make out he was unwanted in the world after Madrid is rubbish though. He got Real Madrid a record points tally, and beat Barcelona a bunch of times. He had a successful period. People who say he didnt are crazy. However Real Madrid have almost a worse 'we have to have you....nah we don't want you anymore.." policy than Chelsea.

I hope that Jose can kick us into shape and really have a great season.

Can you explain to me how getting a record point of tally is any achievement in La Liga????

Especially when a woeful Barcelona got the same amount of points the following year? The same Barcelona that we beat and that Bayern humble......Not a strong league if you ask me!

The fact people think he actually failed at Madrid is actually a compliment to just what high standards he has set himself (the ridiculously high expectation's their was probably a factor aswell).

I bet if Carlo wins a La Liga, Copa Del Rey in the next 3 years while delivering consistent CL results, he will get showered with plaudits and he doesn't have to face Barca at their absolute peak of their powers under Pep either.

Barcelona was at their peek in the first year, cause the next two years it wasn't like that.

We eliminated Barcelona the following season with one of the worst squad Chelsea ever had in the Roman era and last season Barcelona got humiliated by Bayern.

So it was only strong one year to be fair.

The fanaticism of people here tends to fail to look at the obvious. And that is that anyone who is giving an expensive squad a lot will be require from them.

Does not matter if you get to 3 semifinals. With that money you spend on the squad you are building a team to win trophies and play awesome. If that can't be done then you did not had success. And that is what Florentino said upon getting rid of him.

That at Madrid a certain standard is required.

In England people don't care if they win shit, while in Spain is more of a spectacle. You have to win playing great!

[didierforever 7,349]

City, and United did not wanted him.

So that talks a lot of about in itself.

In fact I heard a lot of how Mourinho really wanted to go to United but was not considered for it. Thus he ended coming back to Chelsea as his second choice.

As far for us, I think Benitez was starting to do a good job, especially after all the shenanigans that happen at the club.

Under that immense pressure any coach would have caved in but Benitez stuck there like a champ and continue doing his job.

BULLSHIT. jose to chelsea was OBVIOUS since jan-feb. OBVIOUS. he had made some comment of how he would not be in RM next season in a PC at that time. RAFA was not going to stay for another season. i remember after a PL match in his interview, rafa was asked if he ll be staying at chelsea for the next season, he smiled and asked the reporter "what do u think?". JOSE to chelsea was done way before SAF took his retirement and mancini was fired. so jose was not considered for it because the deal was DONE, not because his CV was not good enough.

as for rafa, he did an okay job. nothing more, nothing less. people still forget that we were 2nd with just 4 points off united before he came. we ended the season 20 odd points behind them and that was when united played their last 5 games as dead rubbers. we lost COC, club world cup, fa cup. at one point of time 4th spot seemed to be a dream, specially when we lost 2-1 to southampton when rafa preferred to rest our players for a useless fa cup game against united rather than making sure of the 4th spot. also there were some hopelessly poor performances. bucuresti(a), qpr (h), southampton (a) etc. the only reason rafa is given any respite here is because we ended the season on an ultimate high.

also i cant believe i am trying to defend jose's appointment against rafa's. anyways rafa was no option. it was so obvious. the fans dint want him. the board dint want him (u know something is wrong when the manager of the team says things like "i should have been named manager and not interim manager"). so what other option did we have?