Henrique 9,133 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I guess I'm just different to you then.When we won the double under Carlo, I could see many problems developing which probably stopped me from enjoying that season to fully. And look where we are this season. Those problems carried on form then, and now we have a few vital problems that need to be fixed. I can see United having a massive downfall after two or three more seasons.The problem with the team is the lack of experience, a better defender than Cahill, and better DM than Mikel, a better striker than Torres and some player's lack of experience,and the biggest one is: we dont a team and no one to build one. Falcao will solve one of these problems, he is part of the process. I dont thinl anyone believe Falcao will solve everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Indeed, but I like their beer.Indeed, but I like their beer. do you wear Belgian lace as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I remember Carlo's first season, i thought for a fair chunk of the season their was clear signs the team was on the way down, what covered up that fact? Didier Drogba's form and goals.i havent thought that at all, especially not since March when we started playing realy well, and i think that team was a lot more solid than Utd's team today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corner 456 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The problem with the team is the lack of experience, a better defender than Cahill, and better DM than Mikel, a better striker than Torres and some player's lack of experience,and the biggest one is: we dont a team and no one to build one. Falcao will solve one of these problems, he is part of the process. I dont thinl anyone believe Falcao will solve everything.There are many problems with the team right now. But yeah, I do agree. Falcao would solve the striker problem but he wouldn't solve all of our problems, like you said.I wouldn't be disappointed if we signed Falcao, I would probably be excited actually. But I am still against the idea of splashing out €60M on one player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 You are right of course. Especially when you say it won't solve our problems, but will cover them up.But for how long will it cover them up? And covering those problems up is not a long-term solution. If I was a United fan I would be terrified right now. Their dependance on Van Persie is ridiculous. What if he gets injured? I don't know. Depending so much on one player would terrify my.Don't you hear that all the time though? First it was Van Nistelrooy, then Cristiano Ronaldo, then Rooney, now Van Persie.Utd are a unit but they build their team around a player who will as a result excel/catch the headlights. Besides, it's both Rooney and Van Persie carrying the team currently. In terms of scoring goals and creating chances that is.They said the same about us and Drogba but we mostly managed whenever he wasn't available or out of form in his time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 [img=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01106/abramovich_1106169c.jpg]This x1000Roman could toss Falcao's transfer fee in the fireplace and not lose any sleep over it. He wipes his ass with £ notes, remember. Saying he doesn't have the money is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The problem with the team is the lack of experience, a better defender than Cahill, and better DM than Mikel, a better striker than Torres and some player's lack of experience,and the biggest one is: we dont a team and no one to build one. Falcao will solve one of these problems, he is part of the process. I dont thinl anyone believe Falcao will solve everything.Take Cole, Terry and Lampard out and we haven't got much in terms of Premier ship experience. also, remember our start to the season? 1 loss to Clattenburg's ManUre and we never recovered. this side needs leaders on the pitch. enough with the under-23 revolution and go out and sign players in the 24-28 year old bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 The problem with the team is the lack of experience, a better defender than Cahill, and better DM than Mikel, a better striker than Torres and some player's lack of experience,and the biggest one is: we dont a team and no one to build one. Falcao will solve one of these problems, he is part of the process. I dont thinl anyone believe Falcao will solve everything.i would have had a new CM to play next to the DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 This x1000Roman could toss Falcao's transfer fee in the fireplace and not lose any sleep over it. He wipes his ass with £ notes, remember.Saying he doesn't have the money is laughable.do you know what FFP even is? owner's money is quite immaterial. we need to break even without roman's backpocketFootball clubs wishing to take part in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League must balance their football-related expenditure over a three-year period up to the 2014–15 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 i havent thought that at all, especially not since March when we started playing realy well, and i think that team was a lot more solid than Utd's team today.Things were not all rosy that season and should have been used as a warning sign. We recovered and romped to the title in the end because we were out of the CL and only playing once a week, infact the time we had to play 2 league games in a week at the end was against Bolton were we limped to a win then against Spurs were we got battered.There were warning signs that season that the team needed to be changed but the end made us and the board believe it was all rosy, looking back it would have been better if our form patterns during 09/10 reversed.EDIT: i completely misread your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 This x1000Roman could toss Falcao's transfer fee in the fireplace and not lose any sleep over it. He wipes his ass with £ notes, remember.Saying he doesn't have the money is laughable.What like this guy? Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 What like this guy? HahahaThat is the second time I've seen that. And the second time I'll ask whoever posted it to put it in fucking spoiler tags. I didn't want to see it the first time, I didn't want to see the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Still no excuse to spend 50m and 200k/wk that we don't have on one player. How do you know we don't have it?This club has been run rather well on the financial side in the last few years. How much was the Gazprom deal worth? Don't forget that in all likelihood Cole, Lamps and Malouda will drop off the payroll in the next 6 months.Plus you've got to bear in mind that Falcao's goals might be what pushes us into the top four and secures Champions League money next year. At the moment we're playing matches with 10 (and a half if I'm being super nice) men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Oh, I didn't know you were an accountant. Perhaps you work for UEFA as well and know it inside out? What...You don't? Oh...Well then please shut up and stop acting like you know FFP and how to run a football club... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 do you know what FFP even is? owner's money is quite immaterial. we need to break even without roman's backpocketFootball clubs wishing to take part in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League must balance their football-related expenditure over a three-year period up to the 2014–15 seasonOh please. Dont you think we got people working to keep track of this? Do you honestly think that we do not have ways to cover our ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Oh, I didn't know you were an accountant. Perhaps you work for UEFA as well and know it inside out? What...You don't? Oh...Well then please shut up and stop acting like you know FFP and how to run a football club...FFP is pretty simple and it's all published online. The problem is that no-one on here is privy to the club's accounts and plans going forward. I've mentioned it twice now but no-one seems to know exactly how much the Gazprom deal is worth (apologies if someone has posted it and I missed it). No-one knows what will happen with the contracts of certain players in the next year. So people saying 'we don't have the money' simply don't know. What we do know is that the board have done a pretty good job in taking us from a loss-making enterprise to a company that more than breaks-even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 How do you know we don't have it?This club has been run rather well on the financial side in the last few years. How much was the Gazprom deal worth? Don't forget that in all likelihood Cole, Lamps and Malouda will drop off the payroll in the next 6 months.Plus you've got to bear in mind that Falcao's goals might be what pushes us into the top four and secures Champions League money next year. At the moment we're playing matches with 10 (and a half if I'm being super nice) men.I made a the comparison of our expected income and expenses a few pages back but I can't find it now. Bottom line is, taking into consideration everything, the most important factor being the departure from the CL, there is no way we can afford this unless that Gazprom deal is worth at least 40m/yr which is not possible because that's barely what we get from Samsung.This club has been run rather well on the financial side in the last few years.LOL seriously? We have a bunch of a few of the most overpaid athlete's in the world, that is not taking into account paying over the odds for almost every deal not the least of which was the 18m for Bosingwa and obviously the 50m flop.Oh, I didn't know you were an accountant. Perhaps you work for UEFA as well and know it inside out? What...You don't? Oh...Well then please shut up and stop acting like you know FFP and how to run a football club...So you must be an accountant who works for UEFA because you know that we can afford to buy Falcao, right?I am as entitled to my opinion as much as you are. And have some respect to the person you are discussing, you're already one slip away from a ban. EDIT: This was the post I was talking about:Read this. Its pretty good...http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/12/14/3767290/can-chelsea-fc-afford-to-sign-radamel-falcaoA few logic gaps:1) The transfer fee does not have to be uniformly divided on the length of his contract neither do we have to give him 5.5 years. But let's over look this point because both could be possible.2) Josh and PVA are not adequate replacements for Lamps and Cole, at least not at the moment.3) Our squad is very thin and we need reinforcement not just at ST but in several other areas. 4) Our expenses this year have been far more than last year. This year we bought the likes of Moses, Oscar, Hazard, Marin and Azpi who cost a whole lot more than last season's signings who, apart from Mata who cost 23m IIRC, were relatively cheap deals.5) Last and most important, we got 47m for winning the CL last season but we'll only get 3.9m for making the group stages this season. And even if we win the EL we will only get 3m. That is 40m less than we made last season! There is no way that the deals we made can cover the this deficit, we'd be lucky to even be getting 15-20m a year from those deals. That is still a 20-25m less than our income last season unlike the article that assumed that we would have about the same income.Sorry boys, but this is written in hope rather than logic. Apologies. I did some research and it seems that you get 3.9m for getting into the group stages then 550k for each match, 800k for each win and 400 for each draw (all in euros) which would make our total income 11.8m euros or less than 9.6m pounds as opposed to last season's 47m pounds. Still, I think my point stands and the sponsorship deals won't be able to make up the 37m difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rising Sun 711 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Oh, I didn't know you were an accountant. Perhaps you work for UEFA as well and know it inside out? What...You don't? Oh...Well then please shut up and stop acting like you know FFP and how to run a football club...Choulo : "I am as entitled to my opinion as much as you are. And have some respect to the person you are discussing, you're already one slip away from a ban."This forum seems to be losing it's humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Choulo : "I am as entitled to my opinion as much as you are. And have some respect to the person you are discussing, you're already one slip away from a ban."This forum seems to be losing it's humanity.Then do something to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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