Spike 12,049 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Not necessarily. It takes more than individuals to make a team. See: The England team of circa 2004-12Which had a squad available at various times: Hart G. Neville Ferdinand Terry A. Cole Lamps Scholes Stevie G Beckham J. Cole Owen How we never won anything will never be explained. One problem was Lamps and Gerrard not being able to play together in midfield, but the managers never had the foresight to drop one of them. Also, quite simply, the squad just would not gel, for whatever reason.IMO, PRT will not work either. It will mirror the situation of England in the 2000s - too much attack, too little hold.Scholes shouldn't count. He was retired by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Dont worry we will sign Song, Shaqiri and Rudiger Implying Shaqiri would want to leave Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Scholes shouldn't count. He was retired by then.Even if you swap him out for Carrick it's still a pretty mighty team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,153 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Won't play until January....it will take that long to shave his fucking beard off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Disappointed, if Chelsea pushed more and offered more money he would be Chelsea for sure. But at the end 34m€ + 7m€ is a bit steep to be honest. Still disappointing they didn't push harder.There's still loop to come back on the market after new president is elected but it's rather gimmick for public.But what now, that's a good question. I don't have a clue who is left on the market. Sterling, and maybe Griezmann since Filipe Luis card is still in play. Just don't Enner Valencia @ me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Even if you swap him out for Carrick it's still a pretty mighty team.But other countries had teams just as good , and better manager's. But they definitely could of won a tournament, under the right leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,153 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It's OK I'm sure the board has it all covered, I'm sure they have complete control of themselves unlike the bed wetters on here who are currently punching laptop monitors at the sight of Turan fucking off to barca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He'd rather be idle for 6 months than start at Chelsea under the best coach in the world. Hmm. To each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 But other countries had teams just as good , and better manager's. But they definitely could of won a tournament, under the right leadershipThe only team that could have matched that on paper was Spain's 2008-2012 nearly all Barcelona team. Because it gelled.To be fair, Carrick should have played instead of or behind Gerrard and/or Lampard. We would have ended up coming a lot further in major tounaments, our all action midfield (as Real Madrid discovered when Modric was injured last season) destroyed us. A balanced midfield would have been Carrick (holding) Lamps (b2b) and Gerrard (10). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 they wont sell. until winter. they have no backups for front 3 - MSN. they even sold deulofeu for just 6mil euros to everton and let afellay go for free. their only back up is pedro, along with haddidi,infact even their mid looks so light weight.biscuits, iniesta, rocketic. thats it. rafinha and roberto are the only backups.Pedro knows he won't play, and Turan can play on the wings too. It's worth a punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Disappointed, if Chelsea pushed more and offered more money he would be Chelsea for sure. But at the end 34m€ + 7m€ is a bit steep to be honest. Still disappointing they didn't push harder.Who said we "offered" anything?I think i know which twitter account you listen to, and i dont get why you take his words as a fact.Its kind a ridiculous to be "Disappointed" because of one twitter account with 5000 followers. Have you read some of his other "info"? looks like bulshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Not necessarily. It takes more than individuals to make a team. See: The England team of circa 2004-12Which had a squad available at various times: Hart G. Neville Ferdinand Terry A. Cole Lamps Scholes Stevie G Beckham J. Cole Owen How we never won anything will never be explained. One problem was Lamps and Gerrard not being able to play together in midfield, but the managers never had the foresight to drop one of them. Also, quite simply, the squad just would not gel, for whatever reason.IMO, PRT will not work either. It will mirror the situation of England in the 2000s - too much attack, too little hold.When did England ever play that team? The players you mentioned enjoyed their primes at different times, except for Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Lamps and Gerrard. There was always something missing in the England team. And like lucio said, other teams had players just as good or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Turan after 6 months http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq-Ml34qoTR6sorrmuxcQi3zb_VZC1kHFST-jOt98fDqRrU8IkpMVkQg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The only team that could have matched that on paper was Spain's 2008-2012 nearly all Barcelona team. Because it gelled.To be fair, Carrick should have played instead of or behind Gerrard and/or Lampard. We would have ended up coming a lot further in major tounaments, our all action midfield (as Real Madrid discovered when Modric was injured last season) destroyed us. A balanced midfield would have been Carrick (holding) Lamps (b2b) and Gerrard (10).I think the teams France , brazil and Italy took to 2006 wc were a bit better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Pedro knows he won't play, and Turan can play on the wings too. It's worth a puntHow do you go from Arda is perfect to Pedro is perfect? Two players with completely different characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Won't play until January....it will take that long to shave his fucking beard off.he can still play in friendlies so will most likely play against Chelsea in a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Who said we "offered" anything?I think i know which twitter account you listen to, and i dont get why you take his words as a fact.Its kind a ridiculous to be "Disappointed" because of one twitter account with 5000 followers. Have you read some of his other "info"? looks like bulshit.Well I have few different sources that I managed to select over 3 years in which I trust but I won't reveal them at all since it is always like that "bullshit" etc. Whatever.Anyway Atletico CEO said that there was indeed several other offers for Arda. So again, Chelsea had Arda on the plate and didn't take that. But I have to agree price was a bit steep. Hopefully they sort this shit out after selling Salah and/or Cuadrado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Well I have few different sources that I managed to select over 3 years in which I trust but I won't reveal them at all since it is always like that "bullshit" etc. Whatever.Anyway Atletico CEO said that there was indeed several other offers for Arda. So again, Chelsea had Arda on the plate and didn't take that. But I have to agree price was a bit steep. Hopefully they sort this shit out after selling Salah and/or Cuadrado.You wont "reveal" it? why? its a forum, why would anyone listen to your sources when you cant reveal them? and why do you care if someone would say its bullshit?Weeks ago you posted this "ChelseaRumours" website, is it one of them? they say Chelsea didnt want Turan.I believe there were "several other offers", it doesnt mean its Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 How do you go from Arda is perfect to Pedro is perfect? Two players with completely different characteristics.I never said Arda was perfect, I meant he can play on the wings for Barcelona to replace pedro. But we need a goalscorer more in our team and a box to box midfielder in the pivot. We have a player like Turan in willian so I wasn't motivated that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 When did England ever play that team? The players you mentioned enjoyed their primes at different times, except for Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Lamps and Gerrard. There was always something missing in the England team. And like lucio said, other teams had players just as good or better.Both Coles, GNev was still going strong and Beckham was still in the RM team in 2006. Lamps was in his prime. Ferdinand too. Terry was in the team. Carrick was too - my mistake, I should have posted him instead of Scholes. Owen was in his prime at that year's WC. 10 of that 11 (Hart being a big exception) could or did play together at Japan 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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