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Just now, akgw13 said:

That is a debate for another time and another forum. We have never been shy about spending cash on transfers. If conte said to you "This is the player i want, we are in first place and just sold oscar for 60m get me him" Would you say no?

He's not the kind of player you break the bank to get. You pay 70m for a player in form who you envision taking this team to the next level... James is a luxury buy not a essential buy.

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Just now, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

He's not the kind of player you break the bank to get. You pay 70m for a player in form who you envision taking this team to the next level... James is a luxury buy not a essential buy.

And for this deal to go through Conte must envision that he is the type of talent to do that. So you would tell the coach that he is wrong and we arent buying him because you dont rate him? My position on the player is down to if the coach says he is who i want, I think we should get him. 

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18 hours ago, Fernando said:

Don't think this is throwing the money away. 

James it's clearly an upgrade to Willian and Pedro. 

A 3 of Hazard, Costa and James will be amazing. 

But the formation I don't know what will it be. But Conte is the Taylor and I know he wanted this guy before, and it's him pushing for this deal.

Edit: Some guy gave me this formation:

3-4-1-2 with James as the "1" would be amazing, at least on paper.

 

 

Listen Fernando I have a soft spot for left footed footballers and I do not doubt James' ability. It's his attitude I'm most concerned of. He is Colombia's darling and I'm afraid fame got to his head since his move to Madrid. Kept the front page of the tabloids for a long time with his endless parties at nightclubs all over Madrid and his training ethics are very bad. 

Football wise I think he is a very good player. It's his head that needs to be worked at. A lot.

I actually think he'd fit very well into this new formation because as I see it this 3-4-3 is a "3-4-3" only on paper. When defending it's clearly a 5-4-1 and when attacking I see it more as a 3-2-4-1.

Exactly like this                                                          80e856e669.jpg

ML,DM,MR=The three defenders.

MC=Kante&Matic.

AL,AR=Alonso&Moses.

FC=Diego Costa.

AC=Hazard, Pedro/Willian.

 

Hazard and Pedro/Willian have rarely played as wingers in this formation. That role is taken by Marcos Alonso and Moses almost everytime when Chelsea take attacking positions, whereas the supposed wingers (Hazard - Pedro/Willian) drift centrally becoming attacking midfielders.

Assuming James would take Pedro/Willian's role, that is exactly his natural position. Would drift a lot centrally, this is why I think he'd fit very good into this formation.

But is he a risk worth taking? 

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There is a reason why he doesn't play at Real. I am against buying Real or Barca rejects. Fabregas is an exception as he already proved himself in England with his time at Arsenal so I already knew what we would get with him, but with this guy, we don't know and for that insane money it would be a risk.
I just don't want him and it would be insane to pay fucking £75m for him when you could use this money to try and sign Verratti in the summer, a player who I'm very certain of will add something to our squad. We don't play with a CAM in 3-4-3 and if Conte switches to 3-5-2, Eden can be used as CAM or even Fabregas.
James is slow, has a shitty attitude is VERY injury prone. And as right-winger, he won't do better than Pedro or Willian.

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Just now, akgw13 said:

And for this deal to go through Conte must envision that he is the type of talent to do that. So you would tell the coach that he is wrong and we arent buying him because you dont rate him? My position on the player is down to if the coach says he is who i want, I think we should get him. 

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Conte isn't the only one responsible for making acquisitions, his title is 1st team coach not manager. While I do think his input is taken into account, the club take decisions together. He may look at it the same way you do, "hell it ain't my money, I can use him in the same capacity as Oscar..."

I think we need to set our sights higher, James is available but for me he's only a decent purchase if we're not getting mugged off. 

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

TBF, Torres was already starting to go downhill before we bought him and why we did that even though it was rather obvious, I'll never know. With Rodriguez, he's in his mid 20s and hasn't even peaked yet. If Conte believes he's the guy to help improve us, then so be it.

Yeah its all apples and oranges, but then again I one could assume James is going downhill too. 

He went from WC hero and first very good season at RM to bench warmer who cant get ahead Vazquez or Asensio. Its kinda sad because he has talent, but Zidane seems to know what hes doing and if he values James so little...I have feeling if he was that good, he would utilise him by now. 

Perhaps James will shine again or his peak was WC 2014 and will do a Robinho if he comes to PL.

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There's zero chance we'll pay £75m for him so people can ignore that shite. It may be true that were willing to spend a lot on him but that screams a made up by the media number.

Think Real Madrid would happily take half of that if James pushes for a move. Great money for a player who can't get a name for them.

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21 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Listen Fernando I have a soft spot for left footed footballers and I do not doubt James' ability. It's his attitude I'm most concerned of. He is Colombia's darling and I'm afraid fame got to his head since his move to Madrid. Kept the front page of the tabloids for a long time with his endless parties at nightclubs all over Madrid and his training ethics are very bad. 

Football wise I think he is a very good player. It's his head that needs to be worked at. A lot.

I actually think he'd fit very well into this new formation because as I see it this 3-4-3 is a "3-4-3" only on paper. When defending it's clearly a 5-4-1 and when attacking I see it more as a 3-2-4-1.

Exactly like this                                                          80e856e669.jpg

ML,DM,MR=The three defenders.

MC=Kante&Matic.

AL,AR=Alonso&Moses.

FC=Diego Costa.

AC=Hazard, Pedro/Willian.

 

Hazard and Pedro/Willian have rarely played as wingers in this formation. That role is taken by Marcos Alonso and Moses almost everytime when Chelsea take attacking positions, whereas the supposed wingers (Hazard - Pedro/Willian) drift centrally becoming attacking midfielders.

Assuming James would take Pedro/Willian's role, that is exactly his natural position. Would drift a lot centrally, this is why I think he'd fit very good into this formation.

But is he a risk worth taking? 

Well you just gave the most critical part of this system. The wing backs. We are not buying a wing back here, just going for an upgrade to Oscar/Willian/Pedro

If your going to worry about free role, well we are playing with two DM. Plus the wings back that turn defender. Surely that's enough cover?

Again another critical part of this system is the DM which we are not getting right now.

Taking that into consideration, you just sold a bench player and have loads of money, then who can you realistically buy now to replace that spot?

You can buy a prospect as suggested or buy an upgrade. And in this January transfer window I have no idea who you can buy that will upgrade over Willian and Pedro other then James.

James is 25, is hungry to play and win tittles....well to play the more, otherwise he could stay at Madrid and get tittles and good money. So this shows he is driven, he has motivation, and this is what Conte looks for in a player....kinda like Moses. An outcast but motivated to play.

 

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1 hour ago, LDN Blue said:

Yeah but the difference here is you have a player who's not playing this much at his own club actively seeking a move away. The stars you mention are content where they are.even if they're stuck at the likes of Arsenal lmao.

James is more attainable than those you've mentioned imo.

The bigger question is do we need an attacker in January? I dont think Oscar needs to be replaced at all (not immediately anyway0 since he didn't fit into any position in the XI 

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31 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well you just gave the most critical part of this system. The wing backs. We are not buying a wing back here, just going for an upgrade to Oscar/Willian/Pedro

If your going to worry about free role, well we are playing with two DM. Plus the wings back that turn defender. Surely that's enough cover?

Again another critical part of this system is the DM which we are not getting right now.

Taking that into consideration, you just sold a bench player and have loads of money, then who can you realistically buy now to replace that spot?

You can buy a prospect as suggested or buy an upgrade. And in this January transfer window I have no idea who you can buy that will upgrade over Willian and Pedro other then James.

James is 25, is hungry to play and win tittles....well to play the more, otherwise he could stay at Madrid and get tittles and good money. So this shows he is driven, he has motivation, and this is what Conte looks for in a player....kinda like Moses. An outcast but motivated to play.

 

Not worried about his workrate to be honest, but his attitude. Remember the WC in 2014 where apart from his goals, he had a very good workrate, something in the region of 10 km covered in every of his 5 matches played there.

But everything seems to have crumbled since his move to Real Madrid. Big fee, big city, world's most famous football club, big wages, but not that big of a development in his career. I'd say he's even stalled to be fair.

Now even Lucas Vazquez and Mariano Diaz are being picked ahead of him at Real Madrid. Something is wrong with him otherwise I can't see why a fabulous ex player like Zidane would not pick him given his talent.

If he thinks he is ready for a restart in his career and assuming he is aware of Conte's training methods and ethics, then he is welcomed here. But if he thinks he is doing Chelsea a favour by coming here, instead of the other way around, and acts like Ozil on the pitch, then we're better of without him to be honest.

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34 minutes ago, -Kaplan- said:

So Madrid bought him for £63m and after sitting on the bench for over 2 years, he's now worth £70m? 

This is just click-bait for the tabloids. 

If anything his value should be lower but saying that Oscar was a bench warmer and he's going for £60m 

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2 minutes ago, the wes said:

If anything his value should be lower but saying that Oscar was a bench warmer and he's going for £60m 

Oscar is going to a league with wealthy owners who cream themselves for massively overrated south americans. Hulk,Ramires, Teixeira, Jackson Martinez, Conca. They're totally clueless. 

Also, I know our board has made some massive cock-ups in the past(Cuadrado, Torres), but they aren't daft enough to spend £70m on a sub-par player. 

At least I hope so. 

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4 minutes ago, -Kaplan- said:

Oscar is going to a league with wealthy owners who cream themselves for massively overrated south americans. Hulk,Ramires, Teixeira, Jackson Martinez, Conca. They're totally clueless. 

Also, I know our board has made some massive cock-ups in the past(Cuadrado, Torres), but they aren't daft enough to spend £70m on a sub-par player. 

At least I hope so. 

They have to start somewhere, its a similar but more extreme case as City but with a whole league. Right now they have nothing to offer but obscene wages and as overrated as those players are most are marketable and will promote the league. Eventually if it makes the progress they hope thety will, then they won't have to offer as obscene salarys (reletive to future inflation)  to attract players.

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

They have to start somewhere, its a similar but more extreme case as City but with a whole league. Right now they have nothing to offer but obscene wages and as overrated as those players are most are marketable and will promote the league. Eventually if it makes the progress they hope thety will, then they won't have to offer as obscene salarys (reletive to future inflation)  to attract players.

Also take into account the country they're going to. It's easier, and more inviting for SAmerican and African players to acclimate themselves to the european environment than it would be in China. 

Not to mention the competitive nature of professional athletes; I would assume most would want to play in the top competitions against the top players. 

Personally, I don't see this investment ever yielding fruition. Just my opinion. 

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