Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, akgw13 said: well his "Position" will be either RW or the tip of midfield in a 352. but I view our front in a 343 as 3 positionless free attackers. With Lukaku(assuming) up top Hazard and James will have free attacking roles to roam and find mismatches and holes in the D. People wont be able to man mark hazard with James floating around with him, it would be very dangerous. It is a luxury that can be afforded due to Kante and Bakayoko(assuming) protecting the space behind them. to the best of my knowledge we don't play 3-5-2 and I fail to see how we will this season with James. Also, in our current system the only player in a free role in Hazard, the right winger has loads of responsibility. We would never leave Moses that exposed on the right. Kante and Bakayoko I see as ball retrievers and solidity in the middle, similar to how the.... spurs deployed Dembele and Wanyama. You didn't get a ton of creativity but the ball retention was relentless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akgw13 867 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: to the best of my knowledge we don't play 3-5-2 and I fail to see how we will this season with James. Also, in our current system the only player in a free role in Hazard, the right winger has loads of responsibility. We would never leave Moses that exposed on the right. Kante and Bakayoko I see as ball retrievers and solidity in the middle, similar to how the.... spurs deployed Dembele and Wanyama. You didn't get a ton of creativity but the ball retention was relentless. When Conte would substitute Fabregas on for Pedro it would be similar to a 352, James would be used similarly to Fabregas perhaps? and I think James can play that right side attacker with some free responsibility, Conte wants his attackers to drift in and have the wing backs create the width which Moses did well for most of the year. I think if you swap Pedro for James we get more dangerous going forward, i don't think it will expose moses as Kante will still be on his side behind the attackers. It is an interesting question that I might not have the clearest answer for but IF the rumours linking him to us are true and he is who Conte wants I am sure the Boss knows what he wants to do. We shall see my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, akgw13 said: When Conte would substitute Fabregas on for Pedro it would be similar to a 352, James would be used similarly to Fabregas perhaps? and I think James can play that right side attacker with some free responsibility, Conte wants his attackers to drift in and have the wing backs create the width which Moses did well for most of the year. I think if you swap Pedro for James we get more dangerous going forward, i don't think it will expose moses as Kante will still be on his side behind the attackers. It is an interesting question that I might not have the clearest answer for but IF the rumours linking him to us are true and he is who Conte wants I am sure the Boss knows what he wants to do. We shall see my friend! This rarely happened and was mostly designed to kill a game. Most of what you're talking about here is offense, but the game is played at both ends. Of course the RW can drift inside, I don't know any winger that is told strictly to stay out wide anymore. The problem is when we are not in possession you need someone to help Moses and get after the winger or FB. Pedro was hugely effective in this capacity not to mention the guy who would first release when we want to counter attack. I just don't buy that we are interested in James when our game is more about speed and incisiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Lukaku, Bakayoko, James. Would be a good start to the summer imo. Still need 2/3 more signings on top of that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 11 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said: This rarely happened and was mostly designed to kill a game. Most of what you're talking about here is offense, but the game is played at both ends. Of course the RW can drift inside, I don't know any winger that is told strictly to stay out wide anymore. The problem is when we are not in possession you need someone to help Moses and get after the winger or FB. Pedro was hugely effective in this capacity not to mention the guy who would first release when we want to counter attack. I just don't buy that we are interested in James when our game is more about speed and incisiveness. You bring up a fantastic point, and to answer your question before as to why I'm not pushing for James too much, I think this is it. But, saying that, he would add a different dimension to our game. What would be interesting - Fabregas, Hazard and James linking up for example. Destroying low block teams for fun. Maybe Conte has his sights on that. Because of that, I could understand why Conte would go after him and I would certainly welcome the signing. Would be interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, The Skipper said: You bring up a fantastic point, and to answer your question before as to why I'm not pushing for James too much, I think this is it. But, saying that, he would add a different dimension to our game. What would be interesting - Fabregas, Hazard and James linking up for example. Destroying low block teams for fun. Maybe Conte has his sights on that. Because of that, I could understand why Conte would go after him and I would certainly welcome the signing. Would be interesting to say the least. I don't claim to be any expert but James is just as one dimensional as Fabregas and his fee would make him an automatic starter, no? I wouldn't mind him but not for the extortionist prices Real seem to think he's worth. 45m is as high as I would go mainly because he doesn't strike me as a perfect fit in our current system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Some have suggested we might play with three midfielders next season, I think Hamsik would be much better choice for that creator role. Verratti or Koke obviously wont come. He is in prime years and while he kind of faded off in previous two years, he has been imense this season. Conte knows him well too and he is a leader and quite a fighter; we might need one with Costa leaving. I dont think Napoli will sell him tho and he seems to like it there, but if we were linked, I would prefer him to James tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I love Hamsik but he's Napoli's pin up and poster boy as well as their icon and captain. More chance of getting James on a free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 6/15/2017 at 2:18 PM, akgw13 said: When Conte would substitute Fabregas on for Pedro it would be similar to a 352, James would be used similarly to Fabregas perhaps? and I think James can play that right side attacker with some free responsibility, Conte wants his attackers to drift in and have the wing backs create the width which Moses did well for most of the year. I think if you swap Pedro for James we get more dangerous going forward, i don't think it will expose moses as Kante will still be on his side behind the attackers. It is an interesting question that I might not have the clearest answer for but IF the rumours linking him to us are true and he is who Conte wants I am sure the Boss knows what he wants to do. We shall see my friend! Remember we basically play with a back 5 and with Hazard and James ALL defensive responsibility will fail to Kante and Bakayoko. Hazard essentially played like a second striker just on the left. You can't have that on the right, Pedro worked like a dog. With James in the team, Kante and Bakayolo will have the job a traditional 4 man midfield had to protect the defence. Suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 4 hours ago, BlueLyon said: Some have suggested we might play with three midfielders next season, I think Hamsik would be much better choice for that creator role. Verratti or Koke obviously wont come. He is in prime years and while he kind of faded off in previous two years, he has been imense this season. Conte knows him well too and he is a leader and quite a fighter; we might need one with Costa leaving. I dont think Napoli will sell him tho and he seems to like it there, but if we were linked, I would prefer him to James tbh. Personally I am a much bigger fan of Jorginho then Hamsik, I believe he would a huge hit at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 15. 06. 2017. at 3:35 PM, Chelsea Legend 11 said: This rarely happened and was mostly designed to kill a game. Most of what you're talking about here is offense, but the game is played at both ends. Of course the RW can drift inside, I don't know any winger that is told strictly to stay out wide anymore. The problem is when we are not in possession you need someone to help Moses and get after the winger or FB. Pedro was hugely effective in this capacity not to mention the guy who would first release when we want to counter attack. I just don't buy that we are interested in James when our game is more about speed and incisiveness. I highly disagree. Why the hell are we playing 3-4-3, with three central-backs, two defensive midfielders and defensively ok-ish full backs if we cannot give massive (but not complete) freedom to our front three? Pedro being workhorse in this system is bonus, not pure necessity. Also, we are not that good with the ball at feet, so it's understandable that we will have to use Pedro massively in both directions, to compensate our attacking flaws and lost balls. Next season, if we get Bakayoko and for example - James, ball control and our possession game would be better, so front three really wouldn't need to work defensively THAT much, only basic things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,897 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 The James rumors sure died down quickly. Haven't heard anything since that single day the rumors started last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 James Rodriguez Loan deals do count Chelsea 3/1 Manchester Utd 7/2 Inter Milan 7/2 PSG 4/1 Bayern Munich 12/1 AC Milan 14/1 Arsenal 18/1 Liverpool 20/1 Tottenham 20/1 Any Chinese Club 25/1 Manchester City 33/1 To Stay at Real Madrid (Does not include returning on loan following a permanent deal elsewhere) 13/2 At least we are in the running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 On 16/06/2017 at 4:06 PM, Pizy said: The James rumors sure died down quickly. Haven't heard anything since that single day the rumors started last week. This could be a 'good' thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy 439 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Apparently James is not a priority for PSG. It's between us and United. Hope we can make this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIceMan 596 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Hazard - Morata - James Anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 James Rodriguez has no interest in joining Chelsea, the youngster prefers a move to Manchester United over The Londoners. (Diario gol) #CFC Rodriguez only wants to join Manchester United over any other club or he stays put with Real Madrid. (Diario Gol) #CFC #MUFC Bye James ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito 459 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, milka said: James Rodriguez has no interest in joining Chelsea, the youngster prefers a move to Manchester United over The Londoners. (Diario gol) #CFC Rodriguez only wants to join Manchester United over any other club or he stays put with Real Madrid. (Diario Gol) #CFC #MUFC Bye James ?? "the youngster"...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Miguelito said: "the youngster"...? i stopped reading at that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Artandur said: i stopped reading at that point I bet you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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