Is Chelsea The Most Hated Club In Europe?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Lot of top clubs give youngsters a chance, look how long Goetze's been playing. My point here was why OPPONENTS hate us. Hearing things like this and not seeing (m)any youth players represent Chelsea is a reason why they hate us.

Without any basic logic? I've given reasons behind some of the things I'm disappointed about. When we had the whole argument with JayC etc last summer, you explicitly told me that there is no such thing as 'agendas' etc. u know...

As I said , context. You were going on about how the FA was rigged to favor United. That agenda. How's it working out for you now? Is FA still favoring United? The agenda I was talking about was the one media had with Chelsea.

Gotze's a poor example, considering he played for Dortmund. if Dortmund were fueled with millions, the chances of him making it through would be slim.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Difference is Everton can pass and move quickly, thus people enjoy their play, unlike CFC first team with too much hesitation, ponderous play. Everton still lack enough in the striker position though.

which is fine as long as they're not a major threat to anyone. even the most "beautiful footballer" (however you choose to define that) will attract jealousy & thus hatred if it's successful.

[zolayes 14,489]

are Chelsea the most hated team on this Forum ... seems that way at times

[The Skipper 20,609]

Lot of top clubs give youngsters a chance, look how long Goetze's been playing. My point here was why OPPONENTS hate us. Hearing things like this and not seeing (m)any youth players represent Chelsea is a reason why they hate us.

Your Gotze example is irrelevant because Borussia finished 5th in his breakthrough season. They weren't challenging for the title.

[lionsden 4,689]

Your Gotze example is irrelevant because Borussia finished 5th in his breakthrough season. They weren't challenging for the title.

Yes that was a bad example however

Barca-enough said

Bayern- Almost half of their first team came from their youth system or were bought as a teenager and nurtured into the first team namely lahm,Bastian,Kroos, Alaba, Badstubber.

Arsenal- (see bayern) Wilshere,Ramsey,Walcott,AOC,Gibbs, Gnabry

man utd- Fletcher,Evans,Januzaj,Wellback,Cleverly,Raphael

At this point it's not even debatable that we are pathetic when it comes to developing and nurturing youngsters into the first team. big club is no excuse for how pathetic we have been in that regard given other big clubs have more youngsters that are club trained in the first team and they actually give these kids proper chances too and not the useless 4 mins appearance in the carling cup.

So yeah the hatred is self inflicted. It's no wonder Christensen's father is already about his sons future away from the club. . . .

[The Skipper 20,609]

Yes that was a bad example however

Barca-enough said

Bayern- Almost half of their first team came from their youth system or were bought as a teenager and nurtured into the first team namely lahm,Bastian,Kroos, Alaba, Badstubber.

Arsenal- (see bayern) Wilshere,Ramsey,Walcott,AOC,Gibbs, Gnabry

man utd- Fletcher,Evans,Januzaj,Wellback,Cleverly,Raphael

At this point it's not even debatable that we are pathetic when it comes to developing and nurturing youngsters into the first team. big club is no excuse for how pathetic we have been in that regard given other big clubs have more youngsters that are club trained in the first team and they actually give these kids proper chances too and not the useless 4 mins appearance in the carling cup.

So yeah the hatred is self inflicted. It's no wonder Christensen's father is already about his sons future away from the club. . . .

Barca and Bayern have always had the foundation to allow their youngsters to flow - managerial stability, one philosophy. That's the level I want us to get to but it's going to take time and stability must be maintained throughout the club.

Arsenal haven't challenged for the title in God knows how many years so again it's easy for them to nurture their young talent.

United again benefitted from managerial stability at the club. Fergie has been there for years so it was easy for him to bring through those players.

Yes we aren't great at bringing through players but surely people understand why that is? If we were under the conditions a United, Barca or Bayern have been and still failed to produce or bring through good talent then yes, I'd be blasting the club but for me it's understandable why we're in this sort of situation.

[The Rising Sun 711]

We started off with Major attacking players under roman... Duff Robben drogba Joe cole lampard and co...that time we were hated for our money,

Now its our football.

[bushman 2,043]

One of the reasons I started supporting Chelsea was for the rebellious attitude.

Us against all. Roman came, invested, made everyone to take notes, I am here to succeed & he surely did. The dummies of the FA hate it now. Anything this club does it is scrutinized & punished if possible. This club was robbed by the refs against Aston Villa & Sunderland, deprived of the challenge for the PL trophy.

Now, Jose is around, we all know that he is an outspoken person & those cunts cannot accept it.

As for bringing youngsters, just look at them at Cobham. The state of the art facilities & young players are coming out of there soon.

So, fuck them all. Play the B team on Sunday.

[lionsden 4,689]

Barca and Bayern have always had the foundation to allow their youngsters to flow - managerial stability, one philosophy. That's the level I want us to get to but it's going to take time and stability must be maintained throughout the club.

Arsenal haven't challenged for the title in God knows how many years so again it's easy for them to nurture their young talent.

United again benefitted from managerial stability at the club. Fergie has been there for years so it was easy for him to bring through those players.

Yes we aren't great at bringing through players but surely people understand why that is? If we were under the conditions a United, Barca or Bayern have been and still failed to produce or bring through good talent then yes, I'd be blasting the club but for me it's understandable why we're in this sort of situation.

I get what you are saying and I agree with it but what prompted the response was the idea that it's mission impossible for youngsters to break through at a big club and some people actually use that false claim as a justification for our failure. I only merely pointed out that other big clubs are doing just fine in regards to youth development and people should ease up on over used cliches such as "It's such a big step up", "you cannot expect a big club to give youth chances" "Doing it at reserves or lower league or midtable club is one thing bla bla bla".

You at least admitted that we have weakness in that area and gave reasons why we haven't been as successful in bringing through a youngster from the academy, it's those on the other end of the spectrum that the response was aimed at.

If people are going to defend the club and its youth policy then by all means use the lack of stability excuse but what I hate hearing is the notion that big clubs aren't meant to bring through youth and it's some sort of mission impossible and that we have never had a youngster good enough to make the grade either.

[The Rising Sun 711]

you are well named as The Sun ,,,,, ,,,

you should be bbc then i guess.

[tizerist 6]

Look at this bbc article from 2002.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/2298897.stm

The giant was still sleeping back in those days, so why exactly were some people obsessed about us? Even back then, when trophies and cash were in short supply? Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[cosmicway 1,333]

Ultimately it comes down to politics.
Why hate a club and not hate some others ? Does n't make much sense. After all when we play against them they are all enemies.

I somehow hate les Genkois of Belgium for their silly chanting against Greek team, but who knows when they will be drawn against us again ? Maybe in 2048.
Essentially all political systems then are oligarchies, except in the west we elect our leaders instead of them taking power by themselves.
From my almanac, during the years 1964-65, the "Greek spring" with George Papandreou and his "true democracy", Panathinaikos junta ruled everything (scandalous offside decisions, penalties, penalties won by the opposition to be retaken until a player missed and so on).
It may be surprising to some, but it was the Papadopoulos junta that came later (1967-74) who made the most democratic distribution of championships, with three going to Panathinaikos (inadvertently), two to AEK Athens and two to Olympiakos Piraeus.
With the system of "democracy and European integration" we have now, the tables have turned and it is Piraeus now who reign supreme. The Pinochets of this world, the Salazars and the Papadopoulos are turning in their graves and they are saying "how did those guys do it ?". The "hut" as we call it is everywhere.