CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 a midfield trio of vidal-matic-cesc would have dominated world football.even a midfield of vidal-matic with cesc as no.10 would have been exponentially better than anything we can put forth currently and in no way less creative than our current midfield.Cesc cannot play no 10 for us, we require that spark that he can only give from deep where he is pressured less. He has underperformed nearly every time we've played him advanced.But a trio of them would be perfect. Perfect! He reminds me a little bit of Essien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Cesc cannot play no 10 for us, we require that spark that he can only give from deep where he is pressured less. He has underperformed nearly every time we've played him advanced.But a trio of them would be perfect. Perfect! He reminds me a little bit of Essien.cesc played number 10 mainly in away games when we wanted to provide even more solidity to our mid or during the second half of the season when he was out of form/costa was injured/ as a team we were unconvincing.but i agree, a 4-3-3 of cesc-matic-vidal would be as perfect as a midfield trio can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 cesc played number 10 mainly in away games when we wanted to provide even more solidity to our mid or during the second half of the season when he was out of form/costa was injured/ as a team we were unconvincing.but i agree, a 4-3-3 of cesc-matic-vidal would be as perfect as a midfield trio can be.Cescy as a number 10 just doesn't work. He is adeep playmaker and he himself is happy there being the brains and eyes behind the moves. Thats what made such a big difference to us the start of last year.The thing is we really dont have anyone to use as a number 10 and this is a problem. Ozil would be great for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 a midfield trio of vidal-matic-cesc would have dominated world football.even a midfield of vidal-matic with cesc as no.10 would have been exponentially better than anything we can put forth currently and in no way less creative than our current midfield.That would take a change in system, specifically in our pressing, and possibly even change of personal. That is something we have absolutely no need to goo into right after we just won the league and cup double.Also, if there is one thing we've learned, or at least should have, from this past season is that Fabregas at number 10 sucks...HARD! Instead of making us more attacking he actually makes us more defensive because he simply doesn't have the pace to help the striker press the back four and hence the whole block is forced deeper as a result. Even offensively, he is a lot more consistent in his delivery from a deeper role than around the box unless the opposition have 10 men in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 That would take a change in system, specifically in our pressing, and possibly even change of personal. That is something we have absolutely no need to goo into right after we just won the league and cup double.Also, if there is one thing we've learned, or at least should have, from this past season is that Fabregas at number 10 sucks...HARD! Instead of making us more attacking he actually makes us more defensive because he simply doesn't have the pace to help the striker press the back four and hence the whole block is forced deeper as a result. Even offensively, he is a lot more consistent in his delivery from a deeper role than around the box unless the opposition have 10 men in the box. Your right in a sense which makes me wonder if Cesc could be sacrificed in big games in future.I'm by no means in the "Cesc is a big game bottler" brigade but as good as the Matic-Cesc partnership has been for flat track bullying when used in the big game's his not so good defensive gamegets targeted and affects Matics productivity as well as a result, Spurs away being the most painful example.And like you said Cesc as #10 isn't effective at all so it's a bit of a tactical headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,956 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If we got Vidal I highly doubt Cesc would be the one playing further up the pitch. It would've been Vidal. He'd be the box to box, Matic the DM, and Cesc as the deep lying playmaker. It would be a completely dominant midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Rather the club shell out 30m for Stones than 40m+ for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Rather the club shell out 30m for Stones than 40m+ for this guy.why? Vidal only cost 37 m Euros, is one of the best midfielders in the world, while Stones only costs that much because he is homegrown. Vidal would clearly be an upgrade to what we have at the moment, especially we could turn in to a 4-3-3 with him. Matic-Vidal-Cesc would be incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 That would take a change in system, specifically in our pressing, and possibly even change of personal. That is something we have absolutely no need to goo into right after we just won the league and cup double.Also, if there is one thing we've learned, or at least should have, from this past season is that Fabregas at number 10 sucks...HARD! Instead of making us more attacking he actually makes us more defensive because he simply doesn't have the pace to help the striker press the back four and hence the whole block is forced deeper as a result. Even offensively, he is a lot more consistent in his delivery from a deeper role than around the box unless the opposition have 10 men in the box. just cos there will be a change in the system and a "breaking in" period, does not mean we should let go of a world class and possibly world dominating midfield.the sheer class, balnce and brilliance of those 3 in the mid would even make our breaking in period look like a honeymoon period.as for pressing, barca play a 4-3-3 and have the best pressing in the world. we won the PL and cup double but that does not mean the system is perfect and should not be tampered with. infact, we played with one system for the first 5 months and another for the last 4 months last season.what would have been even better is the fact that our other 2 CMs are far better players in a 4-3-3 than in a double pivot. especially rambo. also, vidal play in the hole behind the strikers. maybe him as a no.10 and cesc as DLP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You could always make Vidal play the cam role and keep cesc and matic behind him.VIdal could lead the press with costa just as well, if not better than Oscar (pending on his injury status). A healthy vidal would fit in any team realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 why? Vidal only cost 37 m Euros, is one of the best midfielders in the world, while Stones only costs that much because he is homegrown. Vidal would clearly be an upgrade to what we have at the moment, especially we could turn in to a 4-3-3 with him. Matic-Vidal-Cesc would be incredible.Like my boy Choo choo said, that would require us to almost revamp the entire system. We don't need him and he's not disciplined. Stones is the better buy, already a good player with room to grow and a long term replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,146 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Signed for Juventus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Rather the club shell out 30m for Stones than 40m+ for this guy.30 mil POUNDS (42.5 mil EUROS),vidal costs 40mil EUROS.vidal is a world class player, stones wont even be the best CB at CFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeholiday 209 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 At least Arsenal didnt get him. As for the champs league tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 24.5m for him is the bargain of the decade. Why did Juve sell him so cheap? I have heard from a tifosi that Juve think there is an issue with his knee and that if his antics will get the better of him at Bayern too. Also he badly wanted to go there. But I am not so sure. Bayern have the BuLI in the bag already so they can keep Vidal fresh for the CL. Also nightlife in Munich is so boring, he might discipline himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Cause the thing Bayern needed most was a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Cause the thing Bayern needed most was a midfielder.Bayern need a mf as much as we do....Thiago, Alonso, alaba, lahm, kimmich, guadino, hoiberg, javi martinez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Bayern need a mf as much as we do....Thiago, Alonso, alaba, lahm, kimmich, guadino, hoiberg, javi martinez...I was being sarcastic lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I was being sarcastic lol.They actually did need a midfielder though. Especially someone like Vidal as they've often been far too passive in midfield, lacking forward runs and aggression in midfield. Goals from midfield as well, which Vidal provides.Thiago and Martinez have constantly been dealing with injuries. You can't go into a season trusting they'll be fit for a full season. Lahm is not a natural midfielder and he's so much better at RB. Alaba is unproven in midfield.Leaves you with Xabi and Hoijberg to count on (and youth). Alonso is old and needs plenty of support to fully function, and Hojbjerg is 19 and unproven at Bayern. That's not a recipe for succes. Xabi, Vidal, Hojbjerg, Thiago and Martinez for a 3-man midfield and Lahm and Alaba as makeshift options makes sense. Good competition and they'll never all be fit at the same time for prolonged periods anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfcs most wanted 657 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 When Vidal rejects to play for your team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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