Rumoured John Stones

[Pizy 18,368]

what class? did u see his performance yesterday? if GC had put that performance he would have been burned alive. and how is it not comparable to torres. we are over-paying by atleast double the value of a player who clearly might never be worth that value.

give kalas the amount of confidence stones has got from martinez. or andreas. both will never play cos of our grass is greener syndrome. just like kdb never got a real chance here and now he is worth 55 mil pounds.

YOU had not heard of otamendi. YOU had only heard of stones cos he is another over-hyped english player. i remeber a lot of people saying the same thing when cazorla was bought or mata was bought. just cos people's knowledge of football is non-existent outside of PL, does not mean those players are not good.

also, otamendi is 27. if he can give 5 good years, that is more than enough. 5 years in football is a life time.

3 months ago we had walked the league, look at city and chelsea now.

You're asking me if I saw his performance yesterday but you clearly haven't. Stones was once again brilliant yesterday like he has been in each of their first three matches. In which time our defense has been ripped apart.

It's not comparable to Torres because like I said, he was a crock when we bought him. Like Shaw and like Sterling, Stones can only get better. He's not suddenly going to fall off a cliff like Torres did. He's already fantastic playing with average players at Everton.

Again I use the examples of Ferdinand and Rooney. Looked expensive at the time they were bought but look like unbelievable business now. Shaw, Stones, and Sterling will be just like that.

[Mechromancer 262]

Is true, obviously. Mohammed and Sergi are the most reliable sources in twitter.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Is true, obviously. Mohammed and Sergi are the most reliable sources in twitter.

LOL!

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Maybe next summer

[Pizy 18,368]

Maybe next summer

Those will be some fun negotiations!

Another year of him improving and us being more desperate because JT will be a year older. And the TV money kicking in making it less necessary for Everton to sell and if they were open to selling him they can ask for £60m.

[Toli 977]

no we are not acting like those 40mil will bankrupt the club. we are acting about what it would mean for the club.

john fucking stones for 40mil. next year, another average over-hyped engligh player who would be worth 10mil would be sold at 30mil.

it would set a precedent. look at united and how 2 years of bad transfers is making every club milk them for all they are worth.

next thing is why the fuck should we buy john stones for 40mil? we can buy howedes for half that value and he is a much better player than stones. wait much much much better player than stones.

and dont give me that bullshit of "we are paying for potential", we already have potential with zouma, kalas and andreas. no need to waste that money on something who does not even improve our defence at the moment.

you might not care, but most of us do. cos we have not forgotten how one bad transfer (remember torres 50mil) can set a club back 2-3 years.

also, city's super expensive CB is ota-fucking-mendi. one of the best CBs in the world currently. are u actually comparing john stones to otamendi.

lol, i have nothing more to say in that case. cos go to the pogba thread and see what most are writing. no one cares is pogba costs 100mil euros. he is worth it. he is a world class CM who improves us instantanouesly as well as solves our long term problems. stones does not do or barely does one of them.

Höwedes by no way is better than Stones. Höwedes is a decent defender, thats it. No ceilling in him anymore.

Kalas: Sitting on the bench for Köln. Definetely potential top player for us

Christensen: Looks awful so far at Gladbach.

Zouma: Has a future in our club. Terry+ Cahill will go in a few years, so we need 2 defenders, not one.

Otamendi has had 1 good season and is already 27. By no means he is much more worth than Stones. At the moment he may be better, but I think Stones has much more potential.

There is only 1 or 2 young defenders better than Stones I think. Laporte (would cost between 50-60 m euros) and Varane (wont be sold). Thats it. Ohterwise we can buy another old defender and replace him in a few years.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Who gives a fucking shit about his cost!? Why do so many of you care so much?

If we bid £40m for him we can obviously afford it. Easily, in fact! If a big club wants a player they pay up and get him. Every single club with the same ambitions as us (Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, PSG, United) don't ever hesitate when they truly lust after a player. United wanted Di Maria? £60m. Real Madrid wanted Bale? £80m. Barca wanted Neymar? I read during that scandal last season that they may have spent as much as £90m or something in total getting him. City go and spend £50m on Sterling without any trouble at all, signed ANOTHER super expensive CB, and are after another £50m attacking player despite dominating so far and ALREADY HAVING A MORE EXPENSIVE SQUAD THAN US! You think the fans over on Bluemoon are saying "lol, £40m!? Just walk away!" No, they're desperate to see their club win and have top players.

Yet some of you here (like didierforever) are acting as though buying Stones will bankrupt the club or something.

It was estimated by people who do this kind of financial stuff for a living that we could spend £150m this window with relative ease. And that was BEFORE we found out that FFP was being relaxed! We've spent about half of that amount so far. We can afford to splash more comfortably.

Just fucking get him, don't care the price. I don't even care if he costs £45m! Just get him. Everyone will forget the price in a year or two when he's bossing it in our back 4 and with the new TV money, I doubt he'll look so expensive for long.

People give a shit about his cost because he is not good enough (and probably won't ever be) to be worth that.

Mentioning those guys like Neymar, Di Maria and Bale before they got then they had huge potential and have kicked on and now?

Neymar: Brazil's best player and one of the best wingers in the world,

Di Maria: one of the best wingers in the world,

Bale: one of the best wingers in the world,

Sterling already was England's best player at the World Cup and will probably go on to be the main guy in that team too at this rate but if you are trying to compare John Stones' price tag with theirs to try and justify that he is worth that sort of money then it is wrong. There is an elite level and then there is the one John Stones is/will be on.

Barca, Real and City went and bought them players because they are going to be top top players. John Stones will never be worth a 40M outlay. I wasn't too sure about Sterling and doubted buying Shaw last summer but I really feel they will both go on and be really good players for their clubs and England in the future but don't see John Stones in that same way. He is composed and good on the ball for a center back but we've seen that before in David Luiz, it doesn't guarantee anything regarding defending, what I've seen of him from the last two seasons in particular and against City and Watford, he doesn't look anything like a top defender. He will end up being good but never good enough to have a 40M price tag justified.

Otamendi cost 32M but hes already a top established CB, would have fancied him here tbh but it was obvious it was a shoot out between City and United. Hope if Stones doesn't end up coming we go after Laporte because he is going to be a great CB and already is at a pretty good standard.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Those will be some fun negotiations!

Another year of him improving and us being more desperate because JT will be a year older. And the TV money kicking in making it less necessary for Everton to sell and if they were open to selling him they can ask for £60m.

Well, it seems their president won't let him go, even if we offered that sum at the moment either. So, maybe next summer, Stones might also give us a hand by putting a transfer request.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Why some people are talking about Stones like he's the only CB we should get? i didnt followed him too well but i find it hard to believe that he's that special.

Everton dont want to sell for 30m? ok, thats the maximum i would even consider for him and im happy the club isnt going crazy about a 21 yo CB with one good season. Its already a big risk in 30m.

[Mechromancer 262]

If we can't sign him because whatever, better have a plan b. Someone like Laporte is a good option. And Aymeric has a release clause; 40m euros, if I remember well. So, no more BS about the transfer price.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

If we can't sign him because whatever, better have a plan b. Someone like Laporte is a good option. And Aymeric has a release clause; 40m euros, if I remember well. So, no more BS about the transfer price.

For me, he should be plan A out of the two but I get the need for homegrown players in the squad.

[milka 3,346]

Come on , try to buy Varane Jose !!!

[cadenza666 221]

been linked to Varane this weekend, and suddenly we are out of the Stones race.

[Unionjack 7,531]

been linked to Varane this weekend, and suddenly we are out of the Stones race.

Should fuckin hope so too!

We should have been trying for Varane for 2 seasons and now I think we are too late.

The problem is I cant see us getting neither tho Id love either as we are going to need one.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Any idea what time the papers come out at night?

Checked saturday night and last night and found nothing, unless thats the norm for weekends.

[Chelsea? 892]

we are kinda stuck cause we obviously want an Englishman to have an important role on the team. And since English players are typically not the best when it comes to skill positions, we are forced to sign Stones. And Even though I'm not English, I'd be bothered if we didn't have any key English players on our team

[BlueLyon 9,359]

You're asking me if I saw his performance yesterday but you clearly haven't. Stones was once again brilliant yesterday like he has been in each of their first three matches. In which time our defense has been ripped apart.

It's not comparable to Torres because like I said, he was a crock when we bought him. Like Shaw and like Sterling, Stones can only get better. He's not suddenly going to fall off a cliff like Torres did. He's already fantastic playing with average players at Everton.

Again I use the examples of Ferdinand and Rooney. Looked expensive at the time they were bought but look like unbelievable business now. Shaw, Stones, and Sterling will be just like that.

Stones was indeed very good, but made those two stupid mistakes that he could avoid. Any defender you pay 40m for shouldnt do that. It was Luiz type of mistake of thinking he is Messi or sth. He is defender. A CB. Being good with the ball is a plus, not primary thing he has to master. Positioning and tackling. Thats what I expect a 40m CB will be a master in it. But yet people claim he has great control on the ball and maturity. Yesterday he shown why he is at best just a young, inexperienced kid. For his age, yes he looks quite calm. But when he will face top teams under pressure here, I would prefer Cahill over him any day. At least ATM. If Cahill made those mistakes, he would be destroyed. Just saying he is 21 and already as good as Cahill makes no sense. He lacks experience, plus if we are paying 40m, he better be 10 times better than any defender we have. But he obviously isnt. Potential is one thing, but not worth 40m risk for me when you can get (or could get) current best defenders in the world for that money (example Otamendi who was world class last year, that said it was just one season).

what class? did u see his performance yesterday? if GC had put that performance he would have been burned alive. and how is it not comparable to torres. we are over-paying by atleast double the value of a player who clearly might never be worth that value.

give kalas the amount of confidence stones has got from martinez. or andreas. both will never play cos of our grass is greener syndrome. just like kdb never got a real chance here and now he is worth 55 mil pounds.

YOU had not heard of otamendi. YOU had only heard of stones cos he is another over-hyped english player. i remeber a lot of people saying the same thing when cazorla was bought or mata was bought. just cos people's knowledge of football is non-existent outside of PL, does not mean those players are not good.

also, otamendi is 27. if he can give 5 good years, that is more than enough. 5 years in football is a life time.

3 months ago we had walked the league, look at city and chelsea now.

I completely agree, but for one point. Christensen is in my eyes the most overrated youth to come from academy and being so hyped. I saw him about 4 times and he was average at best. And those were u21 games, which are couple times easier than senior. IMO he shown little to be actualy considered as our future. Kalas on other hand, he was promising, but I think we completely wasted most important year of his career so far; by loaning him to Koln where he failed big time. Boro loan was decent, but I realy dont like to rate any player who didnt even play in top tier division like Germany, spain, Italy, england or france.

[CMS 382]

Not sure, if he keeps up the form can see MU paying 40m with ease next summer for him

LVG will never pay $40 million pounds for a 21 year old John Stones. He's got like for John Stones there already. Smalling, Evans, Jones, Paddy Mc Nair, Blackett and Stones? Plus some of the same player caliber on loan. If he does he will be certifiably insane.