Kurt Zouma

[killer1257 3,282]

 

 

 

 

Rudiger was the best IMHO.and it wasn't close I am sure many will go bonkers on that

Tomori needs to step the hell up and AC (too weak) and Zouma (to poor on the ball) need to be sent packing

 

 

Your conclusion is based on what? That you love Rüdiger the most?

 

I thought Rüdiger was bad. Rüdiger made too many mistakes based on this season. Just rewatch the mistakes he made this season or the season before that, but this season mistakes should be enough to see that his football IQ is not great at all. Also you can look up stats too. He even won less aerial duels than AC. Passing stats were worse than Zouma. Zouma based on this seasons performance can defend the best. Tomori was our best technical defender, but he lacks concentration and football IQ in the defensive movement. His football IQ in the offensive phase is very decent.

 

 

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50 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your conclusion is based on what? That you love Rüdiger the most?

 

I thought Rüdiger was bad. Rüdiger made too many mistakes based on this season. Just rewatch the mistakes he made this season or the season before that, but this season mistakes should be enough to see that his football IQ is not great at all. Also you can look up stats too. He even won less aerial duels than AC. Passing stats were worse than Zouma. Zouma based on this seasons performance can defend the best. Tomori was our best technical defender, but he lacks concentration and football IQ in the defensive movement. His football IQ in the offensive phase is very decent.

 

 

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My conclusion is based off the fact that Rudiger is simply a far better overall CB than Zouma.

Zouma is very poor on the ball.and doesnt have rudiger's positional sense. Rudiger is not horrid at at any aspect of the game. There some parts he is weaker at, than others, but nothing falls to the level of Zouma's weak points. Rudiger is far from perfect, but atm he is simply our best overall CB. He is also more of a leader on the pitch.

I see three players who get mashed about here far too much. Mount, Rudiger, and now Werner.

I am well known to have huge issues with Alonso, and am frustrated we did not sell Willian for huge cash in 2018, but of the 3 LB options we have atm, Alonso is by far the best one, and as for Willian, IF we fail to get Havertz, we damn well better hope Willian caves in and accepts a 2 year deal, as we are, at that point, down to only 3 wingers, 2 of them who are injury prone, and one who may be needed at times as an AMF.

Sancho is not an option, due to other needs and simply too high a price due to those needs, as none would get sorted..

We would have no money for a LB (it would have to be, at that point, Kurzawa on a free or pray that Juve swap Alex Sandro for Emerson straight up, which is doubtful I fear) no backup keeper slash possible Kepa 'bridge the gap' replacement, and surely no CB of any quality coming in.

I can accept (even if I hate it) missing out on Havertz.

But I cannot accept 

1. doing literally fuckall at keeper, that is madness, Willy IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION to the likely to implode further Kepa, it is suicidal to think he is, the bloke is almost 39yo and slow as hell now. I cannot believ we are trying to do something behind the scenes.

2. doing nothing at LB, that is madness, it is going on 7 years now since we were last stable there (Conte's 1 season with decently performing wingbacks, not actual fullbacks aside, and his last year even as wingbacks they were shit overall) Azpi (plus a now 31yo Azpi come August, I might add) at LB is outright capitulation, as I have said so many times before

3. doing nothing at CB, which, combined with the other 2, if we bollocks thsoe up, spells possible doom next season, despite Werner and Ziyech coming in as we will be fucked at multiple defensive positions

4. Having only 3 wingers, which I already talked about. Mount and RLC are NOT proper options there. RLC was so 'fish out of water' when old smokey rolled his dice and tossed him in at winger.

 

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Abramovich ready to axe underperforming Chelsea ace to continue summer spree

https://astamfordbridgetoofar.com/2020/06/22/abramovich-ready-to-axe-underperforming-chelsea-ace-to-continue-summer-spree/

Chelsea ready to sell Kurt Zouma

According to the Daily Star, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is ready to sell defender Kurt Zouma.

The 25-year-old has been at the club for six years now. Despite the early promise, he has failed to transform into a dominant defender.

The Blues are ready to cut their losses and sell the player to help fund other transfers. Chelsea have enjoyed an excellent start to the summer, having already signed Hakim Ziyech and Timo Werner.

We are still on the lookout for more players. The likes of Leicester City’s Ben Chilwell and Leverkusen star Kai Havertz continue to be linked with a move to Stamford Bridge.

They will not come cheap though. This means the club will have to sell some of the players in order to balance the books.

 

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[King Kante 1,500]

I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. 

AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence 

Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration 

Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air

Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching 

Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. 

[communicate 2,703]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. 

AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence 

Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration 

Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air

Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching 

Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. 

If you judge player solely on their weaknesses, you won't be able to sign anybody 

[blu35_army 551]

7 hours ago, King Kante said:

I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. 

AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence 

Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration 

Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air

Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching 

Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. 

i'll keep Rudiger and Tomori as a backup,,AC and Zouma already in PL more than 4 years but still no significant improvement....

[King Kante 1,500]

10 hours ago, communicate said:

If you judge player solely on their weaknesses, you won't be able to sign anybody 

Problem is we haven't seen any real improvement in any of them. Tomori, I am happy to keep and give time to, Rudiger is also good enough for CB3 but he isn't really showing enough to be a top CB at elite level. As for Zouma and AC, I think we have seen enough to say they aren't good enough. AC for me is the most frustrating as he has very good positional sense and can read the game well, however he is so weak it is starting to become seriously frustrating. As for Zouma I say it is time to cash in 100% as we can still get a decent fee for him atm but he hasn't shown any real improvement since he first broke in during 2015/16 so it doesn't look like he will now. For me, if you keep Zouma now we will quickly find ourselves in a Batsh*t situation where you think to yourself 'could've had £35/£40m for this bloke 1-2 years ago, now we will be lucky to get £15m'. 

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1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Problem is we haven't seen any real improvement in any of them. Tomori, I am happy to keep and give time to, Rudiger is also good enough for CB3 but he isn't really showing enough to be a top CB at elite level. As for Zouma and AC, I think we have seen enough to say they aren't good enough. AC for me is the most frustrating as he has very good positional sense and can read the game well, however he is so weak it is starting to become seriously frustrating. As for Zouma I say it is time to cash in 100% as we can still get a decent fee for him atm but he hasn't shown any real improvement since he first broke in during 2015/16 so it doesn't look like he will now. For me, if you keep Zouma now we will quickly find ourselves in a Batsh*t situation where you think to yourself 'could've had £35/£40m for this bloke 1-2 years ago, now we will be lucky to get £15m'. 

It is easy to say sell, but who is available. How much will he cost. Is he better than Zouma? It is very2 difficult to find a wc CB in reasonable price. United spend 80m on Maguire. 

[King Kante 1,500]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

It is easy to say sell, but who is available. How much will he cost. Is he better than Zouma? It is very2 difficult to find a wc CB in reasonable price. United spend 80m on Maguire. 

CB is a very difficult position. However, there are some options out there. For instance, I would be more than happy to take a Vertonghen for two years on a free as I think he would be an improvement on either Zouma and AC. So there are options out there to improve, even if they are not necessarily world class. 

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8 hours ago, King Kante said:

CB is a very difficult position. However, there are some options out there. For instance, I would be more than happy to take a Vertonghen for two years on a free as I think he would be an improvement on either Zouma and AC. So there are options out there to improve, even if they are not necessarily world class. 

Verthongen??  We are struggling against aerial threat long ball and set pieces, why bring Verthongen who is not exactly aerially dominant. 

[NikkiCFC 8,041]

Three clean sheets in a row with Zouma-Rudiger pairing. Liverpool, Everton, Leicester.

Actually in the last 13 games we kept clean sheet just 3 times. And they played together only these 3 games.

I know Chris is better on the ball but when CBs keep us clean sheets there is not more we can ask.

 

[killer1257 3,282]

I just hope Lamps realises that he is our only good defender

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[killer1257 3,282]

He won 85% of his aerial duels

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This was the perfect opponent for Kurt. When he can keep his game simple and everything is played up to him in the air he dominates.

It's when he's up against teams that press and there are pacey forwards buzzing around him that he struggles because he isn't great in the ball.

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So bringing your most physical and aerially dominant player help against set pieces

 

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On 02/07/2020 at 0:43 AM, killer1257 said:

I just hope Lamps realises that he is our only good defender

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he is only good for certain types of games

too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along

I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's

it is a huge problem overall

 

[Puliiszola 519]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

he is only good for certain types of games

too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along

I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's

it is a huge problem overall

 

Is not that what squads are. To have players with different strengths that can cover each other's weaknesses.

[killer1257 3,282]

he is only good for certain types of games
too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along
I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's
it is a huge problem overall
 

I would rather sell Rüdiger or AC

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