Ricardo Rodriguez

[BlueLyon 9,359]

What are the exact rules again for home grown status?

Also, CIty core isnt english.

United core isnt english..

Arsenal is english/french/german.

Liverpool isnt going to be english as well...

Also, wouldnt lukaku count already?

Granted Jose is portuguese, I would expect a few more foreign signings from him especially from portugal/brazil.

Lukaku might be home grown but what has that to do with english player? He can play here for 50 years and will still be belgian...

I would like us to have at least 2 English players as starters for the of culture and nature in club.

RR is better player, but both have high celiling and we need english people; thats why I would go with Shaw. 30mio is a steep price and is not worth that. If we ever pay that price, I hope he will be just as good as Cole.

[Korea 734]

Lukaku might be home grown but what has that to do with english player? He can play here for 50 years and will still be belgian...

I would like us to have at least 2 English players as starters for the of culture and nature in club.

RR is better player, but both have high celiling and we need english people; thats why I would go with Shaw. 30mio is a steep price and is not worth that. If we ever pay that price, I hope he will be just as good as Cole.

Chelsea is owned by a russian, with a Portuguese manager...

I highly doubt they would care...

So, this whole thread is dealing with being english moreso than homegrown?

[peter_amb 54]

Jose seems to think having an english core is important.

‘I like that local core, not just in England but when I’ve worked in Portugal, Spain and Italy,’ the Chelsea boss told The Guardian. ‘You owe some respect to the country and the national team, so to give some options for them is important.

‘To keep the culture of the country in your own team’s style is also very important, and you cannot lose characteristics of the local football.

‘Ideally it’s not just about having British players either, but having players who are made in Chelsea. In three or four years’ time, if we don’t have other Englishmen to replace this nucleus of players – when Lamps is 39, John is 36– I will be very sad. Every club needs that.’

[Term-X 7,891]

Lmao, Leif came into the thread screaming xenophobia, yet it's the international members who want an english core just as much, as the responses in this thread demonstrate.

How about that for a backfire!, brilliant irony.

[Fernando 6,585]

I don't know about you, but at an English club I want an English core.

I'd much prefer Shaw over Rodriguez.

Lmao, Leif came into the thread screaming xenophobia, yet it's the international members who want an english core just as much, as the responses in this thread demonstrate.

How about that for a backfire!, brilliant irony.

Not really.

It's just only because of the home grown rule. But other then that, English players are really horrible overpriced.

So why the hell do I want them for if they are not good enough?

You got it, because of the homegrown rule.

If that didn't existed we would be like Inter, having a team full of international players and little to nothing local talent.

[The Skipper 20,609]

The hell do I want them for if they are not good enough?

Nah, it isn't only because of the home grown rule - for me, RR isn't that much better than Shaw (and he's 3 years older as well), and it's important for a club to be relatable to the country their from.

Shaw has a higher ceiling for me. He's a bit more silky on the ball too (with his dribbling) - sure RR is pretty technical and would not be a bad buy at all, but Shaw isn't a bad player and IMO easily has the potential to be the best LB in the world.

[Fernando 6,585]

Nah, it isn't only because of the home grown rule - for me, RR isn't that much better than Shaw (and he's 3 years older as well), and it's important for a club to be relatable to the country their from.

Shaw has a higher ceiling for me. He's a bit more silky on the ball too (with his dribbling) - sure RR is pretty technical and would not be a bad buy at all, but Shaw isn't a bad player and IMO easily has the potential to be the best LB in the world.

If he's good hes good.

I prefer we buy players who are good, not because they are English.

If we need English we just buy some horrible to mediocre player like Turnbull and sit them in the bench to fill our quota.

But other then that, I don't buy into buying English core just for the sake of it. They have to be good, and that's that.

And I agree with you in Shaw, I would prefer him. Not because he's English, but because he is good and has a higher ceiling.

[Jase 43,479]

If he's good at set-pieces it's a big + for him over Shaw because, for as much as I love him, Oscar is terrible at them. Willian and Hazard are no better. Mata and Lampard won't start much either. Mata is good at everything except corners really. Lampard's free-kicks, and penalties to an extent, have deteriorated into 'smash it as hard as you possible can and hope for the best'.

Maybe so but then again, he's still arguably the most consistent one from the lot. As far as I remember, most of our goals from corners in past years seem to come when he takes them.

[The Skipper 20,609]

If he's good hes good.

I prefer we buy players who are good, not because they are English.

If we need English we just buy some horrible to mediocre player like Turnbull and sit them in the bench to fill our quota.

But other then that, I don't buy into buying English core just for the sake of it.

Well, he is good enough clearly. That's not the debate here. If we signed Shaw he'd be number 1 left back here IMO. I'm of the opinion that an English club needs to promote it's own talent, especially if said talent is good enough, which is the case with Luke Shaw. RR might be the better player right now, but Luke Shaw is not far behind at all, and Luke Shaw is also 3 years younger. Also the fact that Luke is a Chelsea fan... so for me, if we can get Shaw for a nice price I'd definitely take him over RR.

[Leif 6,006]

We should have signed Adam Lallana instead of Eden Hazard. Then we wouldn't be having a silly discussion about all this. #English

We should also probably replace Oscar with Barkley now that I think about it. This 'English core' seems to be pretty important. More important than what the players actually bring to the team.. Think it might be Manchester City's English core which will give them the edge in this title race

[The Mak 4,459]

Maybe so but then again, he's still arguably the most consistent one from the lot. As far as I remember, most of our goals from corners in past years seem to come when he takes them.

Oh I know that no doubt he's our best corner taker, but I don't think he does it as well as his set pieces outside the box. When he takes them outside the box closer to the sidelines he's allowed to put his wicked curve on it and into a lot of space for our players to attack. But it's not as effective at corners, he can't seem to get the curve as accurate as he does in other areas. He's not one to exactly drill it into an area either.

[The Skipper 20,609]

We should have signed Adam Lallana instead of Eden Hazard. Then we wouldn't be having a silly discussion about all this. #English

We should also probably replace Oscar with Barkley now that I think about it. This 'English core' seems to be pretty important. More important than what the players actually bring to the team.. Think it might be Manchester City's English core which will give them the edge in this title race

This is stupid. You're acting like the difference in talent between RR and Shaw is the same as the one between Hazard and Lallana.

I firmly believe Shaw can become the better player.

[Jase 43,479]

Oh I know that no doubt he's our best corner taker, but I don't think he does it as well as his set pieces outside the box. When he takes them outside the box closer to the sidelines he's allowed to put his wicked curve on it and into a lot of space for our players to attack. But it's not as effective at corners, he can't seem to get the curve as accurate as he does in other areas. He's not one to exactly drill it into an area either.

True or maybe, we are just shit at attacking corners.

[Term-X 7,891]

Not really.

It's just only because of the home grown rule. But other then that, English players are really horrible overpriced.

So why the hell do I want them for if they are not good enough?

You got it, because of the homegrown rule.

If that didn't existed we would be like Inter, having a team full of international players and little to nothing local talent.

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Your logic is flawed in so many ways. First of all one of the reasons that i believe Shaw is the best option is his nationality and i am not even English. How does this make me a xenophobe? Chelsea is playing in the English Premier League so it is vital that we have english players. Also whether you like it or not we have to take into consideration the rule about the homegrown players. Shaw solves both of these matters. Ability wise and talent wise both are on the same level BUT Shaw already has big experience in the EPL and can walk into our first team almost immediately. You can never be sure about how long it will take for a foreign player to adapt in another country both in terms of football and life in general. Last but not least Shaw is a Chelsea supporter. This is something that you cannot buy with money and i believe that it is a big deal to have players who love the club no matter what.

And this is coming from an international member ^

It's about culture, it's about history, it's about identity. As a semi-italian football fan I WANT to see italian players at Milan & Napoli for example. It has nothing to do with me being english or Leif being a bitter scot.

Smh, philistines.

[Korea 734]

i dont know how u guys watch every player in the world, but according to whoscored, doesnt seem like a small difference...

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244

Luke Shaw's Characteristics

+ Strengths

Dribbling

Strong

- Weaknesses

Passing

Weak

Holding on to the ball

Weak

Luke Shaw's Style of Play

• Likes to dribble
• Likes to cross
• Likes to play short passes

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* Strengths, weaknesses and style of play are calculated from player statistics in domestic league games this season and last

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/61610/Show/Ricardo-Rodriguez

Ricardo Rodriguez's Characteristics

+ Strengths

Crossing

Strong

Key passes

Strong

Dribbling

Strong

Direct free kicks

Strong

Taking set-pieces

Strong

Holding on to the ball

Strong

Aerial Duels

Strong

Ball interception

Strong

Tackling

Strong

- Weaknesses

Concentration

Weak

Ricardo Rodriguez's Style of Play

• Likes to play long balls
• Plays the ball off the ground often
• Likes to dribble
• Likes to cross
• Commits fouls often

© WhoScored.com

I understand the whole English thing.

At Madrid, it was the same thing, with Jose and company bringing in all foreign players... Everyone was villified, save Cristiano.