BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Combo of Matic and Ramires would be better than what we have but still not good enough to improve our central midfield dramatically .If creativity in central midfield is not important how come Barca plays Busquets, Bayern won everything when they got Martinez and now are playing Alcantara I guess, City scores a lot with Fernadinho and Yaya who is more offensive than defensive oriented, Juventus improved significantly when they got Pirlo, Real plays with Alonso and Modric, Dortmund has Gundogan ect.In fact the only team who was successfull without playmaker are Man United but they made up for it with great wingers, strikers and superb coach.Just because we don't have genuine playmaker for ages we can't underestimate benefits of having one.Genuine playmaker is even more important when you have creative mids up front to get the best out of them not the other way around.Matic with playmaker would have taken our central midfield to a whole other level , up to the Citys even better. Matic with Ramires not so much. There is the difference.But we had Makelele/Essien-Ballack-Lamps partnership once and we were realy good, I might say even more efficient than most other teams. And we had no real playmaker then. Also if Matic comes, we will probably play 4:3:3 with midfield of Ramires-Matic-Oscar, Oscar is good playmaker and will only get better and dont forget we have very creative Hazard and Willian, who are in my opinion few levels higher than Asamoah, Lichtensteiner, DiMaria, Ronaldo,...in terms of playmaking. Hazard and Willian can play as #10, while those players at Juve and Real are typical wingers/wing-backs.Juve has Pirlo and thats it. We have Oscar, Hazard, Willian. There is difference. We might be good with deep playmaker, but I think we need all round CM like Matic more. We need someone who can run whole game and cover whole midfield, protect back 4. And Matic is quite decent in attack to. He made some amazing runs vs us in last year Europa league final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 If he is valued at 40mio, why would they sell him for 20-30? They sold Witsel for 40 and they said that Matic is even better than Witsel. Unless we have some release clause or Benfica is in huge financial trouble, they simply wont sell him for cut price.I hope we buy him though, summer should be priority for striker, Lb and possibly CB, I doubt we will look for CM too, 3 top players are just too much in summer...one problem needs to be solved in january.They didn't qualify for the champions league knock out this time. That is a straight 30mil loss. They need money more now than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Combo of Matic and Ramires would be better than what we have but still not good enough to improve our central midfield dramatically .If creativity in central midfield is not important how come Barca plays Busquets, Bayern won everything when they got Martinez and now are playing Alcantara I guess, City scores a lot with Fernadinho and Yaya who is more offensive than defensive oriented, Juventus improved significantly when they got Pirlo, Real plays with Alonso and Modric, Dortmund has Gundogan ect.In fact the only team who was successfull without playmaker are Man United but they made up for it with great wingers, strikers and superb coach.Just because we don't have genuine playmaker for ages we can't underestimate benefits of having one.Genuine playmaker is even more important when you have creative mids up front to get the best out of them not the other way around.Matic with playmaker would have taken our central midfield to a whole other level , up to the City’s even better. Matic with Ramires not so much. There is the difference.Absolutely spot on but that will never happen with a mechanical manager like Mourinho in charge. he loves his donkeys. players in the ilk of Ramires are his bread and butter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Partridge 1,124 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Much better than what we currently have, so I'm happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Pleaseeeeeeee be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Combo of Matic and Ramires would be better than what we have but still not good enough to improve our central midfield dramatically .If creativity in central midfield is not important how come Barca plays Busquets, Bayern won everything when they got Martinez and now are playing Alcantara I guess, City scores a lot with Fernadinho and Yaya who is more offensive than defensive oriented, Juventus improved significantly when they got Pirlo, Real plays with Alonso and Modric, Dortmund has Gundogan ect.In fact the only team who was successfull without playmaker are Man United but they made up for it with great wingers, strikers and superb coach.Just because we don't have genuine playmaker for ages we can't underestimate benefits of having one.Genuine playmaker is even more important when you have creative mids up front to get the best out of them not the other way around.Matic with playmaker would have taken our central midfield to a whole other level , up to the Citys even better. Matic with Ramires not so much. There is the difference.The difference is that if we buy gundogan, we can't pair ramires with gundogan?? That would be the smallest pivot pair you can find and we would be skinned alive by stoke and westham who keep the ball in the sky. If you play mikel beside gundogan we lose ramires who wins a lot of tackles and we will be defensively vulnerable.But if we get matic who has a workrate of a brazilian and significantly better quick long passing than our current CM, it becomes easier to play smaller people like cabaye and gundogan in the pivot beside him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Mateus 46 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Benfica - Porto in an hour and a half.Recommend strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_ChrapQaa 192 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Benfica - Porto in an hour and a half.Recommend strongly.I don't always watch other team games, but when I do, It's because players chelsea are linked with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Matic, Mikel, MvG, Romeu and Ramires as our midfield options for next season would be great. If we have a defensively solid pivot, we don't necessarily need the "world class deep-lying playmaker" everyone seems to be craving for because we have much better options in the attacking midfielder department than most teams in the world and they can work their magic as long as the defensive contribution from the two midfielders is better than we're now getting from Lampard - Ramires.Will definitely watch the Benfica - Porto match today. I don't believe the rumours that Matic has refused to play because the Benfica chairman seems like a guy you don't fuck around with. If we're getting him, I suppose they've agreed he will play his final game today and after that they'll let him go, no hard feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ramires and Matic should work well together, Matic is good at keeping possession and still a strong defensive midfielder, Ramires is one of the best box to box midfielders and wont be replaced as first choice anytime soon. Half the players meant to be "deep-lying playmakers" (Toure, Fernandhino, Martinez) are no more so then Matic is, and the players like Alonso and Pirlo who are, are either too small/weak or unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Didn't Matic and Ramires play together at Benfica?Have the squads been announced yet for the Porto game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 This would be awesome. Fuck this obsession with playmaking midgets playing in the pivot. Just because Barca's doing it, it doesn't mean we should. In fact we are the team that constantly bothered Barca. Also I think people will be pleasantly surprised with Matic's abilities going forward anyway. He's like Nigerian-NT-version of Mikel (which is pretty damn good albeit playing more advanced), but even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Mateus 46 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Didn't Matic and Ramires play together at Benfica?Have the squads been announced yet for the Porto game?No.Maxi --- Luisao ---- David Luiz --- Coentrao---------------Javi Garcia------------------Ramires ----------------------- Di Maria---------------Aimar-------------------------Saviola -------------------- CardozoMatic wasn't at Benfica yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidur the Spider 4,515 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 João Ruela @joao_ruela2hMatic will play against FC Porto today, but shall join Chelsea after it. #Benfica #classico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Didn't Matic and Ramires play together at Benfica?Have the squads been announced yet for the Porto game?No, we bought Ramires in 2010 and Matic only moved there in time for the 11/12 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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