Stats 7,146 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 meh. I get the analogy, but unlike Youre, Fernandinho has good workrate/stamina. My point still stands. And those comments on Fabregas came during pre-season. I was not to know he was going to make such an awful start to the season and be exposed as poor defensively as he has done. Verratti is helped by the fact that he has players around him who are trained and comfortabel at keeping possession. We do not have that. And I am not sure why you have quoted so many of my posts. I stand by the same view. You put him in a CM role, I think he would do well. You play him in a 4-3-3 and have him as a CM he will excel. You have him as a no.10, then you are taking the best part of his game away from him and he would do a lot of running but like Fabregas they are going to struggle to influence games.Furthermore, the way we played Fabregas against Arsenal was a way we utilized his strengths well because we allowed him to control play. City for instance, we had him playing double pivot yet we did not have any clue or aim on how to keep possession so you are wasting Fabregas and exploting his weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My point still stands. And those comments on Fabregas came during pre-season. I was not to know he was going to make such an awful start to the season and be exposed as poor defensively as he has done. Verratti is helped by the fact that he has players around him who are trained and comfortabel at keeping possession. We do not have that. And I am not sure why you have quoted so many of my posts. I stand by the same view. You put him in a CM role, I think he would do well. You play him in a 4-3-3 and have him as a CM he will excel. You have him as a no.10, then you are taking the best part of his game away from him and he would do a lot of running but like Fabregas they are going to struggle to influence games.Furthermore, the way we played Fabregas against Arsenal was a way we utilized his strengths well because we allowed him to control play. City for instance, we had him playing double pivot yet we did not have any clue or aim on how to keep possession so you are wasting Fabregas and exploting his weaknesses.Cesc hasn't been great since the start of 2015. Verratti's attributes is what helps him, unless you think an aging Motta is such a huge upgrade from Matic. Verratti's individual abilities is what makes him able to play in those situations. There is a reason why Marco absolutely took on our team with ease in the champions league and did incredible against barca's midfield. DYC. and Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 meh. I get the analogy, but unlike Youre, Fernandinho has good workrate/stamina. Agreed, but I wasn't referring to that though - the role is the same: b2bBecause of Fernandinho's mobility and work rate that you've just referred to, he rarely sits like Matic does.Role wise, Matic is a very different player than both Fernandos (my original point) while Toure is also a B2B unlike Matic, even though they are similar build wise.just different angles and POVs.It's debatable whether a team actually needs a Matic type of player these days. Like some say no top team has a mikel type of player these days. I still think Matic is versatile enough to be an important player when fit and in a working unit and is a lot better than both Fernandos especially Fernandinho - highly overrated player (myself included in the overrating initially). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 4-4-1-1 is just another way of saying 4-2-3-1.I see what you are saying - but I can't seem to get a balanced 4-3-3 formation right - always feels light Two banks of 4 is what we need to be fair - 4-4-2 - is more what I had in mind over 4-2-3-1 - or maybe 4-5-1 that's essentially the formations I have been messing around with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I see what you are saying - but I can't seem to get a balanced 4-3-3 formation right - always feels light Two banks of 4 is what we need to be fair - 4-4-2 - is more what I had in mind over 4-2-3-1 - or maybe 4-5-1 that's essentially the formations I have been messing around with.Finding a line-up for a classical 4-3-3 is much easier with our squad imo than to try to fit those players in any other formations....Matic/MikelOscar/Cesc - RLC/RamiresWillian - Costa - Hazard Basically the two CMs will be doing b2b duties, with one of them more aggressive in terms of running up and down and causing trouble on both ends and the other one taking more emphasis on building play a la Lampard. didierforever and lucio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Finding a line-up for a classical 4-3-3 is much easier with our squad imo than to try to fit those players in any other formations....Matic/MikelOscar/Cesc - RLC/RamiresWillian - Costa - Hazard Basically the two CMs will be doing b2b duties, with one of them more aggressive in terms of running up and down and causing trouble on both ends and the other one taking more emphasis on building play a la Lampard.Yes but we always end up too narrow Maybe that's because the FB's are not encouraged to overlap - but I hate our lack of width - it makes defending against us easy... The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! manpe 10,861 Posted October 14, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 14, 2015 Maybe that's because the FB's are not encouraged to overlap - but I hate our lack of width - it makes defending against us easy...Nail, meet head. Our wingers' inclination is to go central, we don't have touchline huggers in the team. Solution? I know it does not include Ivanovic or a right-footed left-back. I have always screamed and yelled for us to start employing full-backs properly to bring more options and width in attack, but no, apparently height and clumsiness are more valued by some.Make no mistake, with our playmakerish wingers and non-fullbacks we will never be a team to fully employ width no matter what formation. We will rely on Fabregas to put in chipped passes over parked buses and Hazard to dribble the Chinese wall, because that's how we roll yo, and it worked for a few honeymoon months so obviously it will keep on working forever despite it not working at all anymore. Fuck logic. Muzchap, 11Drogba, The Chels and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 he has been "AWFUL".and once again a certain poster has been made to look like a moron. this is what happens when matic has a good midfield partner alongside him. has absolutely bossed the mid so far. just waiting for rambo to be taken out and cesc the great to show his uselessness as a DLP again. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,146 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Complete boss tonight. When you have someone who can give you more protection, you see the best of him. Total beast and back to his best tonight. Was a brick wall! didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Finaly a good game from him. Expect him to improve from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 If only Ramries could upgrade his passing a little bit... Other than that Matic-Ramires partnership is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Fantastic showing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 He looked like 2014 Matic but consistency is the key. I hope he keeps it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 MATIC IS BACK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 He should have scored - but that's the Matic we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Certainly one of the best showings he's put out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Brilliant performance from Matic! finally he is getting back to his best after an awful start to the season! now he needs to stay consistent, Kiev were very poor in attack tonight so i hope this wasnt just a one off from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Easy guys, it was one game. Good sign though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Replace Matic with Kwychoniak or whatever his name is, he can be given one more season after Jose is sacked to prove himself again under the new manager before we sell him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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