Willian

[milka 3,346]

 

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

4 goals and 3 assists in the last 5 games.

It is official he is staying...

[killer1257 3,282]

He was really good today. Did also a lot of RJs job...

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[Special Juan 27,429]

Excellent performance I thought.

[Jase 43,479]

Matt Law with a minor update on Willian's contract situation...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/08/kai-havertz-interested-joining-germany-team-mates-timo-werner/

Lampard has also not given up hope of Chelsea agreeing a new contract past the end of the current season with Willian. The Brazilian’s contract talks had stalled over his desire for a three-year extension, rather than an extra two years, but it is understood talks have since reopened.

Willian has been in superb form since the restart and Lampard does not want to risk losing him on a free transfer to either Arsenal or Tottenham Hotspur.

It is believed Arsenal had put together a package to offer Willian before the coronavirus lockdown, but the financial impact of the pandemic may have altered that.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

He looks at his best and this is definitely the type of sign me up type of form, but I don't know, I feel Chelsea have been in this position already for some times and not only Chelsea, but every club. Player hits superb form, player signs an extension and goes back to his old form and you are left with an ageing player on big money.

Good servant but should not be kept past this season IMHO. Benrahma seems the obvious replacement.

[Vesper 28,828]

he is a fucking weasel if he wont take the 2 years

he can go cash in to a nice degree 2 years from now in MLS

or we can sell him in summer 2021 for around £8-10m or so, as he will still be 32/33 then, so can still help a club in multiple leagues

[Alabama 1,992]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

he is a fucking weasel if he wont take the 2 years

he can go cash in to a nice degree 2 years from now in MLS

or we can sell him in summer 2021 for around £8-10m or so, as he will still be 32/33 then, so can still help a club in multiple leagues

We dont need...Thanks to Willian for all he has done but we have to move on....Havertz coming in hopefully will finally squash this extending Willian of a thing...

[Vesper 28,828]

10 minutes ago, Alabama said:

We dont need...Thanks to Willian for all he has done but we have to love on....Havertz coming in hopefully will finally squash this extending Willian of a thing...

yes but if we do not get Havertz and Willian leaves, we are down to 3 wingers, one of whom is brand new and also may play at AMF, and another who I think is pretty poor atm (CHO), 

RLC and Mount are out of position at winger.

Once Havertz (IF Havertz) comes, then fine, Willian can jog on

[killer1257 3,282]

Puli, CHO, Ziyech and if necessary Werner as winger should be enough. Havertz second best position is RW after false 9.

 

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[Jase 43,479]

52 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Puli, CHO, Ziyech and if necessary Werner as winger should be enough. Havertz second best position is RW after false 9.

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But but Lampard loves Willian...A LOT. 

[killer1257 3,282]

But but Lampard loves Willian...A LOT. 

I don't think Marina loves him that much ^^

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[Magic Lamps 11,653]

5 hours ago, killer1257 said:

I don't think Marina loves him that much ^^

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she loves him enough not to have sold him to Barca in 2017 for 65m -.-

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

On 09/07/2020 at 6:16 AM, Vesper said:

he is a fucking weasel if he wont take the 2 years

Willian still wants a three-year deal, Chelsea don’t want to give him one. Situation unchanged. 

@TheAthleticUK

Welcome Benrahma? 

[Tomo 21,733]

Absolutely we should go our separate ways this summer.

His current form and what we have left to play for gives us the perfect chance to part on a high.

[Blues11 213]

Really think Puli and him have great chemistry at the moment. They seem to enjoy playing together and it shows on how willing they are to pass from wing to wing. 
 

This might be it but if Chelsea can resign Willian to a reasonable contract I think he would fit in well with the new signings. 

[Vesper 28,828]

A three-year deal or let him go? The Willian debate

https://theathletic.com/1918898/2020/07/10/willian-chelsea-arsenal-tottenham-lampard/

It is an issue which has Chelsea fans divided: should the club do everything they can to keep Willian on a new contract?

Since the season’s restart on June 17, there have been few Premier League players in better form. Indeed, after two assists in the 3-2 victory over Crystal Palace on Tuesday, Willian was tied with Manchester United’s Bruno Fernandes for most goal involvements (either scoring or assisting) on six.

For the first time since arriving at Stamford Bridge from Anzhi Makhachkala for £30 million in 2013, he has either found the net or created a chance that a team-mate successfully finished off in four consecutive league fixtures.

In other words, at 31, the Brazilian is not showing any signs of decline. So why would Chelsea let him walk away as a free agent, especially with the strong possibility he will join one of their London rivals in either Arsenal or Tottenham Hotspur?

As has been well documented, it has not been for a lack of trying. Chelsea proposed a two-year deal — an indication of their esteem, given their general policy (which they’ve only broken once) of giving just 12-month extensions to players over 30. But the winger rejected it because he wants a three-year commitment.

The only thing they have been able to agree to so far is Willian signing a short-term extension to see out the current campaign — and what a vital bit of business that is proving to be.

Head coach Frank Lampard suggested at the beginning of July that the two parties remain in talks. “I haven’t given up hope on it,” he said. “The club is still in discussions with him. In the short term, we can see what he’s doing for us. It’s ongoing.”

However, sources close to the player have told The Athletic that the only negotiations which have taken place in recent months were those regarding seeing out the rest of 2019-20. As far as they are concerned, nothing has changed. Willian still wants a three-year contract and that hasn’t been forthcoming.

So, barring a miracle comeback from 3-0 down in their Champions League last-16 decider away to Bayern Munich, Willian’s seven-year love affair with Chelsea will be over in less than a month.

How do supporters feel about this? The Athletic put it to a vote and more than 12,000 people responded in the space of just 24 hours to let their feelings be known on the matter.

These results can be determined in two ways, depending on your side of the argument. On the positive side, nearly three quarters (73.7%) of the voters want Willian to remain at the club in some shape or form. Quite a mandate in his favour.

On the other hand, the only option which meets Willian’s demands and ensures he stays — the three-year contract — attracted the least amount of backing, while over a quarter will be happy to cut ties with him for good.

Many of those who participated left comments too, explaining that while Willian has been a very good player for the club, his current form shouldn’t affect the club’s decision this summer.

It is understood Said Benrahma, a winger who is helping west London neighbours Brentford’s Championship promotion challenge, is another transfer target being considered at the moment, to go along with Kai Havertz, Ben Chilwell and Declan Rice. Clearly, the 24-year-old Algeria international would be a direct replacement for Willian.

Other fans explain that Chelsea could benefit financially from a multi-year agreement because it would allow them to sell Willian, just as happened with his compatriot David Luiz last summer when he joined Arsenal for £8 million only three months after announcing a two-year contract at Stamford Bridge. Some feel uncomfortable with him potentially joining a direct rival for free, especially when there is no guarantee that new signings would come in and hit the ground running.

Chelsea certainly have other positions that need looking at more urgently than Willian’s. There is only so much money to buy them with, too, after £80 million of the budget went on acquiring Ziyech and Timo Werner. Why use up around £25 million on Benrahma, who has never played at such a high level, when you can keep using someone Lampard trusts (albeit who will cost a lot more in wages and signing-on fee)?

A look at Willian’s contribution over the years shows very respectable, if not outstanding, numbers. This season is his best goalscoring return in the Premier League with nine, although three of those have been penalties. Overall, he has 11 goals and nine assists from 43 appearances, which nearly averages out as a goal or an assist every two matches. Not bad at all.

When compared to the numbers that cover his entire Chelsea career of 339 appearances, 63 goals and 65 assists, it shows he is performing well above his total average. However, to put it in some perspective, Eden Hazard left for Real Madrid last year with a record of 352 appearances, 110 goals and 92 assists.

One should also point out that the timing of the contribution and the calibre of opposition aren’t taken into account with these kind of statistics. What made Hazard so extraordinary was he came to the fore so often when it mattered most. Willian? Not so much.

But another positive in Willian’s column is how consistently he is available for selection. He hasn’t suffered any major injury issues during his tenure. The fewest number of games he has featured in during a season was under Antonio Conte in 2016-17, when he played 41 times.

The following year he bounced back with 55 appearances and a best return (so far) of 13 goals and 12 assists in all competitions. He backed that up under Maurizio Sarri last season with a Chelsea career high of 56 games, contributing eight goals and 14 assists.

Lampard’s appreciation of him is clear. The only league game he has not featured in was the opening fixture at Manchester United. That ranks him second in the squad, with Mason Mount the proud owner of a 100 per cent attendance on the register.

The Chelsea head coach knows what it’s like to be released by the club, having been let go himself in 2014. But unlike Willian, he was nearing the end of his career at the time with his 36th birthday a fortnight away. You get the impression he wants the situation resolved in a way that sees him keep the former Shakhtar Donetsk star.

As Lampard said recently: “We want him to stay at the club. But I also appreciate the fact that this contract is a big deal for him because of his age and where he’s at. I’ve been there myself and I respect that. But the way he’s playing at the minute shows his worth to the squad and the group and it’s something that I hope we can get to.

“Willian been a great servant to the club and if we can get it done, I will be happy. If not, I will certainly wish him well because I’ve got a lot of time for him as a player.”

A reunion with Luiz across town at the Emirates Stadium seems the most likely scenario right now but, no matter what happens, Chelsea’s following will not share the same opinion on it.

[King Kante 1,478]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

A three-year deal or let him go? The Willian debate

https://theathletic.com/1918898/2020/07/10/willian-chelsea-arsenal-tottenham-lampard/

It is an issue which has Chelsea fans divided: should the club do everything they can to keep Willian on a new contract?

Since the season’s restart on June 17, there have been few Premier League players in better form. Indeed, after two assists in the 3-2 victory over Crystal Palace on Tuesday, Willian was tied with Manchester United’s Bruno Fernandes for most goal involvements (either scoring or assisting) on six.

For the first time since arriving at Stamford Bridge from Anzhi Makhachkala for £30 million in 2013, he has either found the net or created a chance that a team-mate successfully finished off in four consecutive league fixtures.

In other words, at 31, the Brazilian is not showing any signs of decline. So why would Chelsea let him walk away as a free agent, especially with the strong possibility he will join one of their London rivals in either Arsenal or Tottenham Hotspur?

As has been well documented, it has not been for a lack of trying. Chelsea proposed a two-year deal — an indication of their esteem, given their general policy (which they’ve only broken once) of giving just 12-month extensions to players over 30. But the winger rejected it because he wants a three-year commitment.

The only thing they have been able to agree to so far is Willian signing a short-term extension to see out the current campaign — and what a vital bit of business that is proving to be.

Head coach Frank Lampard suggested at the beginning of July that the two parties remain in talks. “I haven’t given up hope on it,” he said. “The club is still in discussions with him. In the short term, we can see what he’s doing for us. It’s ongoing.”

However, sources close to the player have told The Athletic that the only negotiations which have taken place in recent months were those regarding seeing out the rest of 2019-20. As far as they are concerned, nothing has changed. Willian still wants a three-year contract and that hasn’t been forthcoming.

So, barring a miracle comeback from 3-0 down in their Champions League last-16 decider away to Bayern Munich, Willian’s seven-year love affair with Chelsea will be over in less than a month.

How do supporters feel about this? The Athletic put it to a vote and more than 12,000 people responded in the space of just 24 hours to let their feelings be known on the matter.

These results can be determined in two ways, depending on your side of the argument. On the positive side, nearly three quarters (73.7%) of the voters want Willian to remain at the club in some shape or form. Quite a mandate in his favour.

On the other hand, the only option which meets Willian’s demands and ensures he stays — the three-year contract — attracted the least amount of backing, while over a quarter will be happy to cut ties with him for good.

Many of those who participated left comments too, explaining that while Willian has been a very good player for the club, his current form shouldn’t affect the club’s decision this summer.

It is understood Said Benrahma, a winger who is helping west London neighbours Brentford’s Championship promotion challenge, is another transfer target being considered at the moment, to go along with Kai Havertz, Ben Chilwell and Declan Rice. Clearly, the 24-year-old Algeria international would be a direct replacement for Willian.

Other fans explain that Chelsea could benefit financially from a multi-year agreement because it would allow them to sell Willian, just as happened with his compatriot David Luiz last summer when he joined Arsenal for £8 million only three months after announcing a two-year contract at Stamford Bridge. Some feel uncomfortable with him potentially joining a direct rival for free, especially when there is no guarantee that new signings would come in and hit the ground running.

Chelsea certainly have other positions that need looking at more urgently than Willian’s. There is only so much money to buy them with, too, after £80 million of the budget went on acquiring Ziyech and Timo Werner. Why use up around £25 million on Benrahma, who has never played at such a high level, when you can keep using someone Lampard trusts (albeit who will cost a lot more in wages and signing-on fee)?

A look at Willian’s contribution over the years shows very respectable, if not outstanding, numbers. This season is his best goalscoring return in the Premier League with nine, although three of those have been penalties. Overall, he has 11 goals and nine assists from 43 appearances, which nearly averages out as a goal or an assist every two matches. Not bad at all.

When compared to the numbers that cover his entire Chelsea career of 339 appearances, 63 goals and 65 assists, it shows he is performing well above his total average. However, to put it in some perspective, Eden Hazard left for Real Madrid last year with a record of 352 appearances, 110 goals and 92 assists.

One should also point out that the timing of the contribution and the calibre of opposition aren’t taken into account with these kind of statistics. What made Hazard so extraordinary was he came to the fore so often when it mattered most. Willian? Not so much.

But another positive in Willian’s column is how consistently he is available for selection. He hasn’t suffered any major injury issues during his tenure. The fewest number of games he has featured in during a season was under Antonio Conte in 2016-17, when he played 41 times.

The following year he bounced back with 55 appearances and a best return (so far) of 13 goals and 12 assists in all competitions. He backed that up under Maurizio Sarri last season with a Chelsea career high of 56 games, contributing eight goals and 14 assists.

Lampard’s appreciation of him is clear. The only league game he has not featured in was the opening fixture at Manchester United. That ranks him second in the squad, with Mason Mount the proud owner of a 100 per cent attendance on the register.

The Chelsea head coach knows what it’s like to be released by the club, having been let go himself in 2014. But unlike Willian, he was nearing the end of his career at the time with his 36th birthday a fortnight away. You get the impression he wants the situation resolved in a way that sees him keep the former Shakhtar Donetsk star.

As Lampard said recently: “We want him to stay at the club. But I also appreciate the fact that this contract is a big deal for him because of his age and where he’s at. I’ve been there myself and I respect that. But the way he’s playing at the minute shows his worth to the squad and the group and it’s something that I hope we can get to.

“Willian been a great servant to the club and if we can get it done, I will be happy. If not, I will certainly wish him well because I’ve got a lot of time for him as a player.”

A reunion with Luiz across town at the Emirates Stadium seems the most likely scenario right now but, no matter what happens, Chelsea’s following will not share the same opinion on it.

I am of the opinion that he can get a one year deal. That for me would be perfect as he is experienced, knows the league and club and we have a lot of surgery to do this off season, so having one less position to worry about would be beneficial. I could accept a two year as well, so long as his wages were similar to what he gets now. However, three years is simply too long, especially for someone of his build and position. If he really can get £250k a week for three years elsewhere, then we will have to let him go.