Are we going to finish in the top 4? - Achieved!

[zolayes 14,489]

So much written but....?

What makes you think they all see it as businessmen ?

well they are NOT football men,,,so what are they???

[bushman 2,043]

well they are NOT football men,,,so what are they???

Why don´t you tell us ?

Since you are one of those founders of the club. Perhaps, glory hunters as you like to say ?

[zolayes 14,489]

Why don´t you tell us ?

Since you are one of those founders of the club. Perhaps, glory hunters as you like to say ?

Troll

[bushman 2,043]

Troll

Clueless.

[Styles 9,790]

Tottenham have overtaken us sooner than I expected.

We're still on course for 5th so chin up lads, it could be worse we could finish 6th again!

[zolayes 14,489]

Tottenham have overtaken us sooner than I expected.

We're still on course for 5th so chin up lads, it could be worse we could finish 6th again!

I THINK 6th is fairly safe

[Ollie 4,400]

tbh let Tottenham have 3rd, we just need them to beat Arsenal on Sunday so we can stay 5 ahead of Arsenal in 4th if we beat WBA. That'll do me.

[KingB 9]

Rather let them draw. If we win against west brom we take back 3rd on goal difference and they both drop points. Plus we have maybe just by a bit the easier run of league games

[Rmpr 8,977]

The next 3-4 games will be crucial for our aspirations to finish top4.

It is the most important thing for us right now, people who say we need to be left out of UCL so we can reflect on our errors are totally clueless. They will be the first ones to moan about the consequences in the summer!

WE. MIUST. FINISH. TOP. 4!

[Buffalo talks Blue 85]

No, nobody is doing so.

0-1 vs QPR

0-2 vs Swansea

2-2 vs Southampton

0-0 @ Swansea

2-2 @ Brentford

2-2 @ Reading

2-3 @ Newcastle

1-1 vs Sparta Prague

0-2 @ City

Keep in mind: These are 9 out of 15 games from January and February so far. We've been dropping points or been playing badly in games that we could have, sometimes even should have won.

You can look at these result the way you want but you can't deny that this team is far from having a secure spot in the Top-4. We simply lack the depth and quality to be sure about reaching a CL spot.

I believe you're right.

[bushman 2,043]

In today´s news:

One senior player suggested Rafa might be at fault for current affairs.

If there is a discord or revolt at the club, the team won´t finish in top four.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The next 3-4 games will be crucial for our aspirations to finish top4.

It is the most important thing for us right now, people who say we need to be left out of UCL so we can reflect on our errors are totally clueless. They will be the first ones to moan about the consequences in the summer!

WE. MIUST. FINISH. TOP. 4!

So I'm totally clueless because I suggested to you in another thread that maybe missing out on the CL might not be the worst thing in the world? At least have the bottle to say what you mean.

[bushman 2,043]

If Chelsea are not to finish in top four, players who are willing to sign for the club may change their mind.

Anyone should be able to see the consequence of such a disaster or perhaps some do not see it ?

[The only place to be 11,313]

If Chelsea are not to finish in top four, players who are willing to sign for the club may change their mind.

Anyone should be able to see the consequence of such a disaster or perhaps some do not see it ?

I understand perfectly, and that might force us to use the likes of Lukaku and De Bruyne and even Chalobah. Bayern went through this in 2007 and they've come out of it pretty well haven't they?

It might give us the chance to build properly, rather than trying to repair a ship built in 2005. As I've sad elsewhere, it might give us a chance to lose some of the deadwood in both the club and the support.

[bushman 2,043]

I understand perfectly, and that might force us to use the likes of Lukaku and De Bruyne and even Chalobah. Bayern went through this in 2007 and they've come out of it pretty well haven't they?

It might give us the chance to build properly, rather than trying to repair a ship built in 2005. As I've sad elsewhere, it might give us a chance to lose some of the deadwood in both the club and the support.

I agree with your assumption but...who is going to do all that ?

As you know, I was & still am against some of those player loans.

I am afraid, there is no one at Chelsea who could help to rebuild the club. Will Roman fire some of those responsible for the current affairs ? That´s is the most important matter at the club, I feel.

We both know, money is no object, but proper management is.

[Santiago. 1,500]

That's something I don't understand as well, it isn't the end of the world if we manage outside the top 4, rather a step forward in transition, (given the right management that is,) to focus on the new spine and generation that is currently being developed.

Liverpool failed to do so due to failing to replace class players at the time. Torres (LAWL) for Carroll (Double Lawl), Alonso and Macherano for Henderson and John Joe Shevely, Aurelio for Enrique, Hypia for Skrtel, etc.

We have a bright generation of players with us as well as promising prospects in the academy, something Liverpool didn't have. As only place to be stated, Bayern were in a similar situation and produced top talents because of it.

Our board has successfully managed to focus on this aspect but has completely abandoned our current situation which has led us to this decline, stability+attacking Depth+Quality Central Midfielder

The Vast Possibilities of our Great Future Will Become Realities only if We make Ourselves responsible for that future.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I agree with your assumption but...who is going to do all that ?

As you know, I was & still am against some of those player loans.

I am afraid, there is no one at Chelsea who could help to rebuild the club. Will Roman fire some of those responsible for the current affairs ? That´s is the most important matter at the club, I feel.

We both know, money is no object, but proper management is.

I wouldn't be against him firing Buck. I've long said it would be brilliant if we could attract someone like Lord Coe to be chairman but a lot of what is wrong at this club was started with different people in charge. Hiring Kenyon again just to fire him wouldn't be worth it.

Management is the key area and if we don't have the pressures of CL football or the 'dressing room influence' of certain players then we could try a younger manager again, like Martinez or Laudrup.

That's something I don't understand as well, it isn't the end of the world if we manage outside the top 4, rather a step forward in transition, (given the right management that is,) to focus on the new spine and generation that is currently being developed.

Liverpool failed to do so due to failing to replace class players at the time. Torres (LAWL) for Carroll (Double Lawl), Alonso and Macherano for Henderson and John Joe Shevely, Aurelio for Enrique, Hypia for Skrtel, etc.

We have a bright generation of players with us as well as promising prospects in the academy, something Liverpool didn't have. As only place to be stated, Bayern were in a similar situation and produced top talents because of it.

Our board has successfully managed to focus on this aspect but has completely abandoned our current situation which has led us to this decline, stability+attacking Depth+Quality Central Midfielder

The Vast Possibilities of our Great Future Will Become Realities only if We make Ourselves responsible for that future.

This is kinda what I see. We're split between two different roads forward - the safe one where just qualifying for the CL is enough so you stick with older players in familiar roles, and the riskier one where you give untested youths (or even tested ones) a chance and try new things.

The reality is that the former isn't working too well right now.

In the summer, we all pretty much agree we need a new striker and midfielders. Now imagine if we don't get into the CL and people like Falcao or even Modric (outside bet I know) turn us down. What do we do? Maybe we look at less glamourous signings like Benat or Isco, or maybe we just look at what we already have and go forward with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Chalobah.

Rather than signing 27 year olds to gaffa tape a system together that doesn't work, we look to 20 year olds to build something new and sustainable? Then there's also precedent set for when Feruz and Boga start to come through the academy.

Yes we'd miss out on the money but the increase in PL tv revenue will cover part of that so maybe there isn't a better time to start the process.

[bushman 2,043]

I wouldn't be against him firing Buck. I've long said it would be brilliant if we could attract someone like Lord Coe to be chairman but a lot of what is wrong at this club was started with different people in charge. Hiring Kenyon again just to fire him wouldn't be worth it.

Management is the key area and if we don't have the pressures of CL football or the 'dressing room influence' of certain players then we could try a younger manager again, like Martinez or Laudrup.

This is kinda what I see. We're split between two different roads forward - the safe one where just qualifying for the CL is enough so you stick with older players in familiar roles, and the riskier one where you give untested youths (or even tested ones) a chance and try new things.

The reality is that the former isn't working too well right now.

In the summer, we all pretty much agree we need a new striker and midfielders. Now imagine if we don't get into the CL and people like Falcao or even Modric (outside bet I know) turn us down. What do we do? Maybe we look at less glamourous signings like Benat or Isco, or maybe we just look at what we already have and go forward with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Chalobah.

Rather than signing 27 year olds to gaffa tape a system together that doesn't work, we look to 20 year olds to build something new and sustainable? Then there's also precedent set for when Feruz and Boga start to come through the academy.

Yes we'd miss out on the money but the increase in PL tv revenue will cover part of that so maybe there isn't a better time to start the process.

I wholeheartedly agree with your choice of Martinez or Laudrup.

The club needs new & younger minds. Football became the world wide phenomena & new ideas are needed.

Roman´s money, new kids at the club is the only way to go, I feel.

[Wfisheruk 23]

At this rate if we don't make the top 4 Martinez or moyes will be the kind of managers who will want to come I cant see a manager with champions league football coming here so it's important for our summer transfers and to get a top manager next season so 3rd or 4th is a massive must!!

[Hutcho 8,443]

I can't see Jose coming here to play in the Europa so we really need it. I still think we will. But it's far too close for comfort.