Closed Chelsea 0-1 QPR

[DDA 9,924]

I'll make it clear. I'm not upset with Oscar or anything. This is sort of what I expected from him. Brazilian league is well below the Premier League and the style is very different and it will take some adjustment (not to mention language, culture, etc...) I like Oscar, I think he is immensely talented with almost unlimited upside. I'm upset with Roman and the board. If you want to buy players for the future, great, but then you can't expect to also win now. You can't spend tens of millions on players you need to develop over years and then fire the manager because your expectations are for a first place squad. We have a much worse team now than we otherwise would, because we've spent a ton of resources on players with potential instead of players for now. In a year or two, this might turn out fantastically, but it the players don't develop into stars, it will be a disaster and for right now, it means we can't compete with the top clubs.

(And yes, Ronaldo turned out fantastic, but for every Ronaldo that gets developed, there are 100 Klebersons (who they bought the same year) and 100 Andersons (who cost double what Ronaldo cost two years later.) Also, Ronaldo was 18 when ManU bought him, not 21. That's a big difference in development.)

I do agree with most of what you have said but lets not completley rule out winning with a squad that is ultimately building for the future. We have seen Man U do it since the mid 90's. You can still play with youth in the side but in order to compete with the top sides you need experience that is familiar with the clubs set up. The Lampards, Terry's and Coles of Chelsea should pull our youth through like Giggs, Scholes and others have done so for Man United. Also stability in management and back room staff can push a club a long way, just look at Man U and Everton. Everton more so for their lack of funds proove this theory to be right but our loveable but insane owner just keeps on upsetting the apple cart. Who knows what the future holds for Chelsea but we can all look forward to an unpredictable one.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

I said it not to fluff around and go out at full strength. Rotate my fucking ass, stop asking to play Marin, Bertrand, etc. They are not fucking good enough!

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I do agree with most of what you have said but lets not completley rule out winning with a squad that is ultimately building for the future. We have seen Man U do it since the mid 90's. You can still play with youth in the side but in order to compete with the top sides you need experience that is familiar with the clubs set up. The Lampards, Terry's and Coles of Chelsea should pull our youth through like Giggs, Scholes and others have done so for Man United. Also stability in management and back room staff can push a club a long way, just look at Man U and Everton. Everton more so for their lack of funds proove this theory to be right but our loveable but insane owner just keeps on upsetting the apple cart. Who knows what the future holds for Chelsea but we can all look forward to an unpredictable one.

I'm just ruling it out because we simply aren't going to win anything this year. We're out of the CL and we're way back in the PL. Next year, we absolutely could win. And I agree, you can mix youth in there if you do it right and it's only a couple of players at time. It will be very interesting to see next year how players like Lukaku and De Bruyne get worked in.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

I only caught the last 5 mins of this game, and was disappointed to see the lack of effort to even equalize.

It reminded me of the CWC final where our primadonnas seemed to underestimate their opponents. Were they that terrible the whole match?

And its not the result (we could have lost at Everton away, easily) but the fact it was against THAT team, in OUR backyard that leaves a terrible taste.

I'm just ruling it out because we simply aren't going to win anything this year. We're out of the CL and we're way back in the PL. Next year, we absolutely could win. And I agree, you can mix youth in there if you do it right and it's only a couple of players at time. It will be very interesting to see next year how players like Lukaku and De Bruyne get worked in.

Hopefully we'll sign someone in the 26-29 age group for our midfield, to do that. Someone like Schweinsteiger or Vidal. And a manager who can build a team, would also help.

[DDA 9,924]

I'm just ruling it out because we simply aren't going to win anything this year. We're out of the CL and we're way back in the PL. Next year, we absolutely could win. And I agree, you can mix youth in there if you do it right and it's only a couple of players at time. It will be very interesting to see next year how players like Lukaku and De Bruyne get worked in.

Oh most certainly .. but we are still in with a shout of winning the mickey mouse cup. Anything else is a Brucey bonus. Your right though, too many youngsters and new faces at the same time is why we are losing like we are to mediocre teams.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I'll make it clear. I'm not upset with Oscar or anything. This is sort of what I expected from him. Brazilian league is well below the Premier League and the style is very different and it will take some adjustment (not to mention language, culture, etc...) I like Oscar, I think he is immensely talented with almost unlimited upside. I'm upset with Roman and the board. If you want to buy players for the future, great, but then you can't expect to also win now. You can't spend tens of millions on players you need to develop over years and then fire the manager because your expectations are for a first place squad. We have a much worse team now than we otherwise would, because we've spent a ton of resources on players with potential instead of players for now. In a year or two, this might turn out fantastically, but it the players don't develop into stars, it will be a disaster and for right now, it means we can't compete with the top clubs.

(And yes, Ronaldo turned out fantastic, but for every Ronaldo that gets developed, there are 100 Klebersons (who they bought the same year) and 100 Andersons (who cost double what Ronaldo cost two years later.) Also, Ronaldo was 18 when ManU bought him, not 21. That's a big difference in development.)

If you are not upset with Oscar, why did you post saying he is underperforming and needed to step up? He is doing OK for someone with his experience. Your comparisson about Ronaldo being 1/1000 and your comparisson with Ronaldo's and Oscar's age are wrong and naive.

CR7 and Oscar are/were not gambles, they may not turn out to be as great as everyone thought they would, but no one really have/had a doubt they would be somewhat relevant. A totally different perspective with the rest of the young promisses. There are two types of transfers regarding young players: the ones in hopes of the player developing an amazing set of skills and the ones the player has already proved his quality but still needs to be polished. The first option is where the gamble lies, one can't predict where the player's talent will stop. However, the second option is almost a certainty, the question lies on whether the player will have the necessary environment to flurish. Just like Messi, people did not know what he would become, but there are videos of scouts praising him when he was 13, they knew he was amazingly talented. Same with Neymar, people already knew he would be good when he had 9 years old, they just dont know how good.

Also, the age factor is stupid. Oscar being 21 and Cristiano 18 does not mean anything. CR7 had 25 appearances for Sporting. Well, Oscar had 36 for Inter (as I said in the previous post, he had a problem in his contract termination with Sao Paulo and that made his Inter contract illegal for 1.5 year). A player improves by getting experience and in that level, they were both pretty raw. They both need playing time to get experience in various tight situations, so they can know how to react to them in future occasions. They also need to adpat to the country and learn with aclompished players (Lampard is very important in that process). Ronaldo had 2 years and then he exploded, the same will happen to Oscar with the proper time is given to him.

The situation is that some of us want to rush with our youngsters (Lukaku, Josh, Chalobah, Oscar) because things are bad. That can't happen, we will never develop a true start with this thinking.

Yes, your concern about how our board is handling things is equally shared. We bought a bunch of young talent and want them to win big trophies, it aint happening. We do have to take into consideration that we only started renovating our squad 2 years ago, it takes more then that to get rid of some old players (please, I do not mean Lampard and Cole, my sig makes it very clear) and replace them. Despite our horrible results and atitute, we really only need 4 big players: ST, CM, CB and LB. This is another 80million transfer window. It is not that immensily huge of a problem. We will have to content with COC and a top4 for this year. Let us give one last opportunity to Roman prove he will do things right though. In my opinion, we only bought super young players this season because the opportunity was there and we couldnt miss. No one takes into consideration the fact we have been linked with Falcao and Fellaini (although the latter seems improbable) and they are not young, they are in their prime. People are really understimating the difference 2-3 top players with some balls (not young promisses) make in a team.

However, it has nothing to do with the fact you cleared posted Oscar was underperforming from what you would expect from a 25million sign.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Don't be so near sighted. Our defence was leaking goals with RDM in charge and Benitez has fixed that. Its better to lose by one goal then by 3

Maybe that also has to do with the run of games we've had. All games bar City during Rafa's tenure should be easily winnable. Of course thisis football, but the run in we had under RDM just before he got sacked was a lot tougher then Benitez's current one.

[Beirut_Blues 306]

Marko Marin is so shit!

I'll be honest its the first time i see him play but he was sooo shit last night.

Was shocked to see Julio Cesar between their sticks..and bravo Torres for shooting at Cesar from close range...wonder y it wont go in.

Am gona say we're out of the title race unless RvP gts injured or something....cheers to a 3rd place finish yall.

[Ankit 3,176]

A win against them would have been so so sweet considering Arsenal play City and Pool play Utd and we play Stoke away in the next gameweek!! The more i think about, the more i cringe.
SSSSHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT.

[communicate 2,703]

If you are not upset with Oscar, why did you post saying he is underperforming and needed to step up? He is doing OK for someone with his experience. Your comparisson about Ronaldo being 1/1000 and your comparisson with Ronaldo's and Oscar's age are wrong and naive.

Excellent post. I think Nani and Ronaldo is a good example of that. Will oscar turn out to be World Class player like ronaldo, I hope so but at least he is already good enough to be serviceable.

In term of winning now, I don't think our board expect us to win everything this season. In term of RDM I thought it is very obvious when he was offered 2 years contract. Nobody get 2 years contract in football.

We are 1-2 years late in term of rebuilding. We should have started during CA era but we wanted more trophies That is why CA was hired. He is known to work really well with veteran players.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Didnt think this would be an easy game and the fact we played crap made things even harder.any team regardless of postion can get a result eventully.Hope we can bounce back

[MAF 162]

Got very annoyed with Luiz last night. He did ok defensively, but kept slowing the game down, And why oh why did he keep taking shots from far outside the box? Not a single one was on target iirc. If something doesnt work youre supposed to try something different...

[kingofchelseadom 41]

Where we ever going to score with that line up? No way! We have no striker so we cannot rely on our midfield that was played sad sad.

[didierforever 7,349]

Calm down. I don't have any love for Benitez but I don't hate him either. Torres is officially our only striker and Moses isn't the best finisher (better than Torres). I don't remember all this angryness when we drawed 0-0 agains't them earlyer in the season. I think you are using your chance to get angry at a man that has done nothing to you.

If you are such a good manager with all the answers then go apply for the job.

no one was so angry when we drew them earlier in the season because that match was clouded with controversy. they came hard at us. their was no mata because we rested him for a proper reason not because we preferred an FA cup match over a PL match.

secondly "If you are such a good manager with all the answers then go apply for the job." is your argument when i can simply pin point the mistakes made by our current manager. so now what are we supposed to do? just say RAFA is the best and everything he has done is aweosme and wonderful and beautiful...

[bushman 2,043]

What´s there to say, to analyze further ?

For a while I thought Rafa knows not to make so many changes on a winning team. It looks like, the dimwit underestimated QPR & it backfired.

As far as I am concerned Chelsea can say bye-bye to this year´s title challenge.

Now, this A-hole is gonna line-up the key players for some fucking Carling & FA cups.

Where is Roman ? Fire him ! After all Roman fired these dimwits for a lot less.