🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[HRiver 1,512]

Torres + Malouda on the pitch together = Torres failure. Malouda could have assisted to him or his other team mates when he was just outside the box against Sunderland but he decided to shoot himself, and he shot it wide. Typical Malouda.

But with Meireles and Mata in the team now things will get better for Torres as a player and for us as a club. That being said, if he fails to improve until January I would not be too disappointed if the club considers loaning him. I just hope this is temporary and he isn't done, because he's a wonderful footballer and a great finisher.

[Fulham Broadway 17,315]

He fits in well with the scousers anyway, Pikey that he is.

Well it looks like the main bloke was Gary o Connor.

- theyve mentioned Italian backroom staff under Ranieri who put the players on Iron Drips. One Chelsea nutitionist at the Bridge ( Fred Wadsworth) wanted nothing to do wiith it , said it was dangerous..

I know for a fact that cocaine is fucking rampant in football, and Mutu was just an example. Its not surprising with players tested on avearge once every 3 years, some only once in eight years

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

If Torres scores against Leverkusen tomorrow this thread will probably be locked

[dodojojo 510]

Well it looks like the main bloke was Gary o Connor.

- theyve mentioned Italian backroom staff under Ranieri who put the players on Iron Drips. One Chelsea nutitionist at the Bridge ( Fred Wadsworth) wanted nothing to do wiith it , said it was dangerous..

I know for a fact that cocaine is fucking rampant in football, and Mutu was just an example. Its not surprising with players tested on avearge once every 3 years, some only once in eight years

Probably should be a thread in General Football banter but football clearly doesn't test as much as it should. Cycling has a reputation for drugs but aside from being true, it's also because there's a lot of testing and therefore attention to the issue. Just because you don't hear about it as much in football doesn't mean there aren't drugs--just that the powers that be have turned a blind eye. If cycling with its puny income inspires such cheating why wouldn't football where the finances are astronomical? Check out baseball and the "Steriods Era" as the prime example of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, therefore there's no evil approach.

Nothing is impossible but I didn't have much worry about Torres and cocaine. But I wouldn't mind some discussion of Spain, it's overall sports programs and if they've 'explored new and innovative' techniques and sports medicines the last decade or so. The explosion in Spain's sporting successes is probably mainly about proper infrastructure, support and training...but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an edge elsewhere. Spanish cycling is notoriously shy about stamping out drugs amongst its own riders.

[Kez 2,727]

Well it looks like the main bloke was Gary o Connor.

- theyve mentioned Italian backroom staff under Ranieri who put the players on Iron Drips. One Chelsea nutitionist at the Bridge ( Fred Wadsworth) wanted nothing to do wiith it , said it was dangerous..

I know for a fact that cocaine is fucking rampant in football, and Mutu was just an example. Its not surprising with players tested on avearge once every 3 years, some only once in eight years

Disapointed tbh, they made out it would be a top premiership footballer. just seems like it's going on alot in football and they are getting away with it.

[lentherussian 86]

My last and final time i mention torres negatively on here. Firstly i dont think the fans criticising him on here is harsh and unfair in the slightest, only speaking as we find and as long as we dont start booing at games is more than just. They get paid an awful alot of money and take all the plaudits when doin well(gettin 50 mill transfers) so i dont think a bit of criticism from fans is fair. Secondly i do think its a confidence thing, when he started well against stoke he looked different in his attitude and performance. But its blatantly obvious his confidence seems to srop with every bad touch. He looks like hes scared to run into the box incase he gets a chance. It might be a case happening more often with modern players. The more scrutiny that footballers get now must play on there minds and ive also started to think that maybe the way the reserves has changed for footballers the last 5 years or so doesnt help. It was common practise for struggling players to drop to reserves to get the confidence up and start scoring in games. The whole reserve set up has changed now and basically cdnt happen. If he was to drop in reserves it would be back page news, sky sports news and everything else and that definately wudnt help. Basically the unfortunate fact is there is know where for him to go to regain his confidence and we might have to accept letting him go abroad. Joe cole came on for lille and looked like the old joe away from media scrutiny as he always relied on confidence and struggled at l'pool. I hope torres comes good but im 80 percent in my own opinion that its too hard for him and he hasnt the character to turn it around.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

He hasn't even played 90 minutes this season!

He has been playing well, but AVB has been idiotic in terms that he hasn't given him the chance with a full game! He seems to not like playing strikers for full games, and the fact it's only been a few game sinto the season should be another factor. We have more options - which he hasn't played with yet - which we should have lowered, We have SIX strikers! We need to let go the likes of Anelka, Kalou and maybe even Drogba in the summer. Torres for me, has only 'just' signed for me. This is a new season, a new manager and a new way of playing - not even the team has bounded to AVB's style of play yet!

Granted -- the reported words he has supposedly said were a little 'betrayal' to his team mates -- but hopefully it was a mistranslation. The problem for me is that without Lampard's finally attacking prowess, he doesn't really have any positive support from the midfeild that previous forwards have had. Look at Miereles's pass to Sturridge, superb! Now, if he can do that for Torres with both Mata and Sturridge on the left and right flank (which i think won't happen as AVB sees Danny as a full-on striker), we could have a deadly attack. But, unless we can fully work as a unit in the same universal language, then we won't be getting 100% from everyone!

[Swoopz 183]

Isn't it obvious to everyone that Fernando's form isn't his fault. It's our slow unimaginative midfield that is the cause of his poor perfromance. Just like Spain's international midfield. *sarcasm*

[DJ Nevin 24]

Isn't it obvious to everyone that Fernando's form isn't his fault. It's our slow unimaginative midfield that is the cause of his poor perfromance. Just like Spain's international midfield. *sarcasm*

I think the reason Torres became less prolific for Spain was because after the team's defeat by France in the 2006 World Cup they decided to go with more possession based football which doesn't suit his style. At Liverpool he thrived on a high tempo game as lone striker, and some of the team's best moves were on the counter attack.

[Spike 12,049]

If he has ~10 Goals by January than I think he should stay.

If he has less than that he should be loaned to Milan with Pato coming the other way.

R*binho and Chelsea should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Wanker.

[DanAdibi! 106]

People need to stop blaming Torres. Yes he isn't making much effort himself, but to be honest I don't remember that last time Drogba scored.

[Badboy 1,526]

People need to stop blaming Torres. Yes he isn't making much effort himself, but to be honest I don't remember that last time Drogba scored.

The worrying thing is Drogba is coming to the end that is clear. Torres is worrying because he looks useless at the moment....... this is Drogba's last season in my opinion but we need Torres to start scoring goals or he is useless because he is just a goal scorer nothing else. We have spent 50 million pounds on this guy, i don't want this to be another Shevchenko !

[laura90 556]

Fernando Torres

Used to be a great football player. At one point of time the best striker in the world, or at least one of the best. However career depends not only on talent, but also decisions that players make. And his decisions:

-in the summer of 2007 he went to Liverpool which has a history of running their strikers into the ground (Fowler, Owen and now Torres). They often didn't give him time to recover from injuries but still he signed a contract extension in 2009, only to watch the departure of some of the best teammates afterwards. Then Liverpool's decline began, also Torres's. Players were sold , replacements were poor. Then came 2010, big injury and World cup. He wanted to leave. So he left.

- IN the winter of 2011 he went to Chelsea which has a history of buying high priced strikers who flop (Sheva, Mutu, Kezman, etc). In the club that was already going trough a transition, that needed an overhual not in CF department, that doesn't play high tempo football he needs, where manager didn't want him, where some of his teammates, who played alongside him for the first six months, didn't want him. He never got a proper chance here, with proper players around him. No one can deny that. AVB didn't help him. Now it's too late for him. Damage's already been done.

- If he only chose Man Utd in the summer of 2007... His career would probably have been different. Perhaps he would be better, less limited player. But...

Too many bad decisions rarely have ​​a good outcome.

He deserved better , but he should have thought better. I've known that since January, but it still makes me sad. Why I had to watch his downfall in my favourite club. That bothers me the most.

For those that wanted Torres from 2008/2009. That Torres had:

- teammates who wanted to play with him, who didn't ignore him

- good passers behind him

- high tempo football and midfield that suited him ( or to most strikers)

- manager who wanted him and believed in him

- 8 scoring chances per game and the knowledge if he misses one, others will come

- players who were at their prime while playing with him

Of course after 2009 everything fell apart, but anyway, what from things above Torres had here?

[manpe 10,861]

I just thought that when Torres was in his prime, he had a Spanish coach and strong Spanish representative in the team (Benitez and some other players in Liverpool. After Benitez left his form gradually started dropping). I can't help but wonder if this can play a role... for example Bosingwa has played well under Portuguese managers, but sucked under others.

[axmadka13 1]

I just thought that when Torres was in his prime, he had a Spanish coach and strong Spanish representative in the team (Benitez and some other players in Liverpool. After Benitez left his form gradually started dropping). I can't help but wonder if this can play a role... for example Bosingwa has played well under Portuguese managers, but sucked under others.

actually his form started to drop, before Benitez left..

[SeB 1,281]

keep the excuses coming guys. it's fantastic

Thou shall not loan out or sell a striker whose goals to game ratio and overall performance /contribution to the team in the last 9 months makes Steven Fletcher of Wolves look like super world class striker

Let's give him 20 years to prove his worth and only then can a definite judgment about him be justified

I don't know where is the matter with Steven Fletcher, he is one of the players that I mainly see as a possible replacement for Anelka next summer. But all depends to Sturridge's evolution. Fletcher is an incredible striker, he has the vision of a genuine #10 and is a clinical finisher, his controls and first touches are just excellent

Otherwise I think you should go to Torres' thread, laura90 has just made an excellent post. I doubt it will change your mind but one never knows

[SeB 1,281]

The cokehead is ex-Birmingham striker Garry O'Connor...hardly a secret when the Scottish press was all over it for months..

I'm really disappointed to be frank, I expected a bit better Even more than O'Connor's coke problems are not recent and are well known, I did already read about it several times.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

The worrying thing is Drogba is coming to the end that is clear. Torres is worrying because he looks useless at the moment....... this is Drogba's last season in my opinion but we need Torres to start scoring goals or he is useless because he is just a goal scorer nothing else. We have spent 50 million pounds on this guy, i don't want this to be another Shevchenko !

you would think everyone would feel the same

[HRiver 1,512]

Why are there two Torres threads? Confusing..

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Actually a sensible article from FTT.com for once and written by a Spurs fan!