The Benitez Thread

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Er... people don't always work their arse of... That's the reason you have 'Managers'? Human nature (except oddoties) dictates if you can expend less effort in achieving something, then you will... It goes back to the days of hunter/gatherer - why run 100 miles to get food if you can run 1 mile...

Not sure what you do for a living - but I manage a team of 40 Masters Educated Developers - and they sitll have to be cajooled into working to the best of their ability every day, why would a 'professional' footballer be any different.

Mourinho was not sacked for 'results' - it was a well publicised bust up... BUT he could seemingly motivate a team to win consistently, and to instil a belief into a group of players that went on winning, long after he departed.

I don't think Rafa does this... Certainly Liverpool haven't gone from strength to strength? In fact quite the opposite...

He should never have been appointed is my 'balanced view' after giving him a chance, but he's here until the summer and then we need to make a decision... If he stays, it will (IN MY OPINION) be to the detriment of the club.

Pep G can say what he wants about RB and Capello - but I would never pick either of them to be Chelsea managers... And Pep is not going to openly critisice other managers...

I get your point and I'm not defending Benitez. He was a wrong appointment from the start - we all know that. But the club was in a sticky position and hoped for a miracle. All I'm trying to say is that Benitez can't be getting all the stick here, we're overlooking the players as culprits. With a few exceptions, we've had tons of chances every game and we seem to waste most of them, players to me, seem exhauasted because it has been a hectic 2 months with a thin squad. Now, I'm not sure what Benitez is supposed to do. If he'd play squad players, he'd get stick for going in with a bad line-up thus potentially costing us the game. If he goes in with a strong line up he gets stick for not using a rotation and making silly subsitutions. Let's be honest, the players are underachieving and it just can't be overlooked.

We both know Benitez won't leave until the summer, unless something drastic happens - so why stir it up? We just got to live with the fact that he's the manager of Chelsea Football Club and will be there till the end of the season. Fans on the stadium acting like twats don't help either, it just spreads the negativity and the pressure only gets worse. There's a saying in the army - you don't salute the man, you salute the rank. He's the manager, we've got to deal with it for a couple of months more. I'm a fan of Chelsea FC not Benitez, not Lampard's or any other player. Noone is bigger than the club.

[chelsea blue 615]

Found this on the net

Bohemian Fatsody

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Manage a good side
No escape from mediocrity
Open your eyes
Look at the league table and see
I'm just a fat boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm "easy come, easy go"
Long ball style, nice and slow
Anything the fans say, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Roman, just killed your club
Put a legend out of work
Hired me in, the stupid berk
Roman, season had just begun
But now you've gone and thrown it all away
Roman, ooo
Your decisions make fans cry
If Torres starts ahead of Ba tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, I've fked it up
You've realised that I'm shite
Team keeps losing all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind with Benayoun
Roman, ooo - (any way the wind blows)
I don't want to go
I'd rather stay here laughing at you all

I see a little silhouette-o of a man
Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the Fernando

Thunderbolt and lightning -- very, very frightening me
Emenalo, Emenalo,
Emenalo, Emenalo,
Emenalo, Ashley Cole -- magnifico!

I'm just a fat bloke, nobody loves me
He's just a fat boke suffering from obesity
Spare our club from this monstrosity
Easy come easy go -- will you make him go?
Malouda! No! We will not let him go! -- Let him go!
Malouda! We will not let him go! -- Let him go!
Malouda! We will not let him go! -- Let me go!
Will not let him go! -- Let him go! Never!
Never let him go! -- Let him go!
Never let him go! -- ooo

No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
Oh Emenalo, Emenalo, Emenalo! Let him go!
Ron Goulay has a severence put aside for him!
for him!
for him!!

So you think you can stop me ruining your side
So you think you can stop me from stating the FACTs
Oh Gourlay -- can't do this to me, Gourlay
Just gotta get him out -- just gotta get him right outta here

Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Chelsea don't matter
Anyone can see
Chelsea don't matter
Chelsea don't matter to me

[Laylabelle 9,539]

Stuck with Rafa, stuck with Torres, Hazard missing for several games, losing all trophys, early out of CL, what a shit season..

Still, KTBFFH!!!

Is crazy we started out with 7 trophys to go..now we have 2 and doubt that will end well

[DH1988 1,352]

Ridiculous squad depth, JT injured, interim title, only one signing in Jan.

We all knew it was damage limitation when we went out of Europe under RDM, so just accept it and support the team/temp manager, simple.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Problem is, who can we get in as replacement now?!

All the supposed targets of Roman are still having a job right now.

Oh sorry I didn't realise we can only employ UNEMPLOYED managers...

If we have a target go get them now. - if they want to come, they will come - like players at other clubs we sign!

So shove your :doh when the sun don't shine - it's clear you have a personal vendetta against me - hence the 10 points warning...

[Tomo 21,751]

THIS ... if this isnt an insult I don't know what would be ...

now go kiss Rafas ARSE

Looks like kojo and Henrique were right after all.

[teignman 441]

B/R: Before we part, what are you thoughts on Rafa Benitez's treatment at Chelsea?

It's fascinating that Luis Felipe Scolari, Fabio Capello and Rafa Benitez are laughed at in England. Top managers who can do a lot of good for their teams. I don't know why that is, but it is a 'fact' as Rafa would say.

I've been thinking of big clubs in history that have actually had such a big go at their managers. Not based on results and not based on performances. Certainly not based on the work this person puts into the team, the hours he puts into it, what his CV is, what his history is. I can only think of Van Gaal in his second time at Barcelona—not at Bayern Munich, not at Milan, not at Juve, not at Real Madrid, not really, not really.

So, I'm fascinated to know where all of this comes from. I know, I heard all of the stories where he comes from. It's interesting that Chelsea fans I know of are telling me the ones with the campaign are a minority.

But I think it's all based on one thing. Fans have lost power; they don't have any power anymore, anywhere. They don't have power towards their clubs, they don't have power towards the players, on the decisions, nothing.

When the club is a bit weak, it is their chance to have a say, an influence. They smell the weakness and they grab a victim (Rafa in this case) and don't let go. It is their way to feel influential, powerful again. They have created almost like a celebrity fan set—we will be the ones that will get rid of a manager and impose the one we want.

But, I say, you are affecting the team and its performance. Well, that minority doesn't seem to care—first it is us, what we think, what we say, me, me, me... very typical of this society.

It happened at Aston Villa, it happened at Newcastle and it happened at Chelsea. Fans thought, 'No, definitely not Rafa, anyone but Rafa.' That was their decision, 'whoever, but not Rafa.' So, when they got Rafa in, it was putting to them, 'Sorry, but you don't have any power.' That's very annoying for that small group.

I think that's what it is but I would love to have a forum where I can chat to them, discuss, argue, shout at each other even, with respect always present. But a minority in that minority seem to prefer to insult in a kind of bullying way. I hate bullying, I love arguing. It is a shame some behave like that because football is to be loved, discussed, enjoyed.

A huge thank you to Balague for taking time out of his busy schedule to speak with me, and to the staff at Waterstones, Leeds.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1498270-guillem-balague-exclusive-author-talks-pep-guardiola-barcelona-rafa-benitez

What a bunch of condescending, arrogant tosh from Balague. How the mighty have fallen. Once a thoughtful and insightful football writer, and now a purveyor of bilious spew. Fans want a manager who has not heinously insulted them and their club in the past. Then, not only did FSW refuse to apologize about the incident, but he defended his statements.

Those events aside, all of the fans want a quality manager that can provide the ability to improve the side and, at the bare minimum, not damage them. After the Corpulent One's ignominious departure from the Scousers and his comedic misadventure at Inter, one cannot logically say he satisfies this criteria.

Ultimately, all fans want to have a successful club that they can be proud of, full stop. Even this "minority" Guillem speaks of want this. They are not hellbent on control like a bunch of raving sociopaths. They/We want someone they can embrace as one of their own, and lead the club to glory. Not some arrogant, obese herbert who's career has been spiraling down for years and now seems to be better suited to telling diners what today's specials are rather than managing a football club.

I know it's hard Mr. Balague, but time to admit some of your managerial pals can't make the grade in England. No need to get your knickers in a twist and make asinine assertions that fans are control freaks.

[Kojo 4,676]

Can someon tell me what the fuck is going on please? It's the 26th of January and we aren't even linked with anyone.

We DEFINITELY need players, look at Newcastle they already had a huge squad in the first place and there still signing about 5 players. What the hell is going on? Why is our board stupid?.

[Strike 7,527]

Personal feelings aside.

-Rafa takes too long to make a change

-Daft changes like Azpilicueta for Ivanovic in CWC Final, Luiz for Ivan in COC semis which barely affect the way we play

-Rigid on tactics. Never changes tactics for a game or over the course of a game.(Exception - Started 4-3-3 vs Everton before reverting back after getting ambushed early on)

-Only 1 signing in January. Board and Rafa must share the blame if that is indeed the case

-Bertrand on the Left Wing..again

-Fernando Torres

- Rotation policy? More like Preference policy

But there is no point sacking him now. Let's just hope he gets us top 4 and hope we get in a 'special' manager in the summer

[Jase 43,479]

Oh sorry I didn't realise we can only employ UNEMPLOYED managers...

If we have a target go get them now. - if they want to come, they will come - like players at other clubs we sign!

So shove your :doh when the sun don't shine - it's clear you have a personal vendetta against me - hence the 10 points warning...

Who would want to leave their job in the middle of the season when their team is still doing well and trying to achieve their goals? Even you said "if they want to come". IF. They would have a sense of responsibility for their club too.

And please, personal vendetta? Give me a break! You got the 10 points warning simply because you broke the forum's rules. Simple as that! Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Who would want to leave their job in the middle of the season when their team is still doing well and trying to achieve their goals? Even you said "if they want to come". IF. They would have a sense of responsibility for their club too.

And please, personal vendetta? Give me a break! You got the 10 points warning simply because you broke the forum's rules. Simple as that! Nothing more. Nothing less.

Why would a player leave a club and join us then? Your argument is madness - people leave clubs all of the time regardless of how 'well' they are doing!!!

Yeah - personal - I've seen shit loads of posts WORSE than my so called BAD BEHAVIOUR in a match thread where we lost the CWC and emotions running high - but those people don't have Warnings!!!

So, Inconsistency from you = personal... Say what you want - BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.....

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Why would a player leave a club and join us then? Your argument is madness - people leave clubs all of the time regardless of how 'well' they are doing!!!

Yeah - personal - I've seen shit loads of posts WORSE than my so called BAD BEHAVIOUR in a match thread where we lost the CWC and emotions running high - but those people don't have Warnings!!!

So, Inconsistency from you = personal... Say what you want - BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.....

I agree that Chelsea is still a object of desire for any manager who wants to burst into the big scene fast, but timing of this would be wrong. Let the new manager come take charge in the summer with preseason to enforce his style of play. Then again, players and managers aren't comparable in this case, we don't exactly sack players.

[Jase 43,479]

Why would a player leave a club and join us then? Your argument is madness - people leave clubs all of the time regardless of how 'well' they are doing!!!

Of course they would but my point was why would they want to quit their club in the middle of the season?! Mentioned earlier, all the supposed targets of Roman are not available right now and all for similar reasons. Simeone's Atletico Madrid are flying high in La Liga, in the Copa Del Rey and in with a good shout to defend their Europa League title. Klopp's Dortmund maybe far behind Bayern in the Bundesliga but they're still in the German Cup and look capable of doing something special in the Champions League. For Mourinho, he wouldn't leave Madrid, not now unless he gets the sack.

All those targets are not possible to get at least till in the summer. If you wanna employ someone unemployed now, who would be good enough to manage us? Avram Grant? Alan Curbishley? Gareth Southgate? There's hardly anyone out there good enough to manage us. And even then, these are all just 2nd tier managers and Roman is likely to kick them out come the summer and replace with some big name manager.

Yeah - personal - I've seen shit loads of posts WORSE than my so called BAD BEHAVIOUR in a match thread where we lost the CWC and emotions running high - but those people don't have Warnings!!!

So, Inconsistency from you = personal... Say what you want - BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE.....

Can't even bother to debate properly and now you're suddenly committing ad hominem!

The report button is always there to report if you see something offensive around and if it's that, then we'll deal with it accordingly. We don't have all the time in the world to be looking through every single posts for anything offensive and please, what's the inconsistency gotta do with me? I'm not the only forum staff around!

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

Robbie Di Matteo: "It was a pleasure to my ears to hear Chelsea fans chanting my name after my departure. Thank you all - best fans ever".

[DavidEU 2,023]

Robbie Di Matteo: "It was a pleasure to my ears to hear Chelsea fans chanting my name after my departure. Thank you all - best fans ever".

The pleasure was all ours, Roberto.

[oxfordblues 299]

my son just said to me im not going to chelsea again untill benitez has gone.are people moving away from football.he said boxing is much better.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Muzchap 8,966]

my son just said to me im not going to chelsea again untill benitez has gone.are people moving away from football.he said boxing is much better.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Well no FA or Benitez

Don't blame him TBH - at least it's a fair fight

FA vs CFC only ends one way

[bushman 2,043]

Well no FA or Benitez

Don't blame him TBH - at least it's a fair fight

FA vs CFC only ends one way

One liners & more dribbles ?

[Muzchap 8,966]

One liners & more dribbles ?

I'm glad my one liners make you dribble

But I'll let you into a secret, it's called Porn - that's what most people dribble to on the Internet

[Tomo 21,751]

Reading back on this thread i love how user's get insulted for giving their own opinion.

I remember when their was a couple of members who wanted Ancelotti out back in 2011, and they were branded as "plastic" by some who want Rafa out now, double standards? i think so.