Amblève. 4,995 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I assume that statement means you want him to be sacked?Yeah, because he haven't sacked enough managers in the last few years...Actually I was talking about chants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 At Valencia & Liverfool he played 4-2-3-1 set up more defensive than what we have been playing, could see Luiz playing along side Ramires, & Moses come in for Oscar.CechCesar - Ivan - Cahill - ColeRamires - LuizMoses - Mata - HazardTorres2 - 1 Chelsea Mata & Torres.Thats hardly more defensive tbh. Moses in for oscar means we have a different kind of threat and someone for cech to kick balls up to, and luiz holding doesn't really make us more defensive as if you give him more license he will for sure take it.IMO, it would be madness to take out mikel who has performed solidly for us in there for ages to replace him with a defender who (to put it lightly) has struggles with his defensive responsibilities at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Really can't wait to see the team he goes with, it will be fascinating to see, even though he has been there 3 whole days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badenblue 21 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Rafa loves to play 4-4-1-1 in liverpool last time...Most likely we will not see hazard and mata to be playing so often in a same game...mata most likely to play behind torres.Can not recall him having played it, certain it was not played often, he prefered 4-2-3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badenblue 21 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I assume that statement means you want him to be sacked?Well he has only an initial 6mth contract, so he will not be at the bridge to long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thats hardly more defensive tbh. Moses in for oscar means we have a different kind of threat and someone for cech to kick balls up to, and luiz holding doesn't really make us more defensive as if you give him more license he will for sure take it.IMO, it would be madness to take out mikel who has performed solidly for us in there for ages to replace him with a defender who (to put it lightly) has struggles with his defensive responsibilities at times.You realize Moses is shorter than Oscar right? He's like 5 ft 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badenblue 21 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thats hardly more defensive tbh. Moses in for oscar means we have a different kind of threat and someone for cech to kick balls up to, and luiz holding doesn't really make us more defensive as if you give him more license he will for sure take it.IMO, it would be madness to take out mikel who has performed solidly for us in there for ages to replace him with a defender who (to put it lightly) has struggles with his defensive responsibilities at times.Luiz will hold, he will not have licence to roam, he has good distribution which will hopefully used to good effect, agree about Mikel, just feel he will be bench, in light of his future apperance with the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laeth 527 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't think Luiz doing massive long balls and surging runs was something he did off his own back; I think it was something RDM wanted him to do. As we don't have a ball playing holding player, RDM was moving some of that onto Luiz. He never does that for Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We will perform well and probably win comfortably because of honeymoon period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Rafa did play 4-4-1-1 because he always played Gerrard behind Torres which worked so well and was why Robbie Keane never got a game. It's basically a 4-5-1 really and i do believe we have the players to play it. He was always so hesitant to play 2 up top so expect something pretty similar to what we've been using anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Rafa did play 4-4-1-1 because he always played Gerrard behind Torres which worked so well and was why Robbie Keane never got a game. It's basically a 4-5-1 really and i do believe we have the players to play it. He was always so hesitant to play 2 up top so expect something pretty similar to what we've been using anyway.What's the difference between 4-4-1-1 and 4-2-3-1? I understand in 4-4-1-1 wingers play deeper? Who do we have to play deeper? There are no Beckhams anymore. No matter what numbers we use to describe the formation it won't make a difference if we continue using 2 deep midfielders, it will be the same shape. I'm more interested to see what roles players will be given, i.e will our front 3 be more restricted etc. I hope he will make use of our potential width hazard (ZING!) more than we've been doing so up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You realize Moses is shorter than Oscar right? He's like 5 ft 10.Yes I know and tbh that's like apples and oranges. Height isn't everything. For one thing moses is a lot stronger and has a great leap. I. E. When Cech was lobbing long balls up to hazard last week the West Brom defenders were easily out muscling him and cheating it down. That wouldn't happen with moses. For example Tim cahill is also 5 ft 10 and he is a beast in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Luiz will hold, he will not have licence to roam, he has good distribution which will hopefully used to good effect, agree about Mikel, just feel he will be bench, in light of his future apperance with the FA.Yeah i accept that for sure it is an option and with defenders behind his style would be perhaps more suited to it, though it's not like he suddenly becomes an amazing holding player (he could) but these things take time. Also he doesn't (shouldn't) have a license to roam at cb but he still does. Though perhaps with the Spanish connection we will se. More of Romeu in there. Especially as we will need him in when the African cup of nations is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Rafa did play 4-4-1-1 because he always played Gerrard behind Torres which worked so well and was why Robbie Keane never got a game. It's basically a 4-5-1 really and i do believe we have the players to play it. He was always so hesitant to play 2 up top so expect something pretty similar to what we've been using anyway.I think our squad dictates the types of formations he can use anyway, the number of AM's and extreme shortage of strikers mean it has to be a packed midfield with one up top. I am sure we are all expecting that man to be torres. It will be interesting how he sets it up though and whether he decides to keep our trio which can be at times a bit narrow or decide to add more width with the likes of moses and marin. Due to our heavy schedule we will probably see both but I think the changes we see may be more in terms of personnel and general tactics than the actual formation.. Time will tell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What we needed this week was for Terry, Lampard or even Mata to go public pleading with the fans not to protest against Benitez. Doubt it would have stopped every one but im sure would have significantly reduced the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I hope Moses plays a significant amount of minutes in this game, i really like how he tries to get to the by-line and get the ball into the box, we need more players doing that.And It's a shame Sturridge is not fit, hopefully Torres at least tries because of Rafa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerRussianSpy 163 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What I would like to see tomorrow and from Rafa as a whole is some managerial balls. AVB uncompromisingly tried attractive football and lost, RDM wen't back to basics (won) and then tried attractive football (with a similar amount of stubbornness, and lost); I want to see Rafa insert a style that is new and flexible, and not just the same damn cycle our managerial trend has encouraged.With that being said, I'm not really sure why all the pundits are expecting a big win from us, I just can't really see us toppling City's league form in this context. Love to be proven wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaKid10 35 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 So excited for this game, every night before a Chelsea game i cannot sleep. Always excited for them haha. Im predicting a win for us. 3-1 Torres Hazard Mata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yes I know and tbh that's like apples and oranges. Height isn't everything. For one thing moses is a lot stronger and has a great leap. I. E. When Cech was lobbing long balls up to hazard last week the West Brom defenders were easily out muscling him and cheating it down. That wouldn't happen with moses. For example Tim cahill is also 5 ft 10 and he is a beast in the air.Don't agree with the great leap part tbh. His goal against Shakhtar was great but he didn't get off the ground much.Tim Cahill was a excellent header but he didn't exactly dominate in the air. You couldn't play long balls to him knowing he'd win most aerial duels. Falcao is the same currently.Long balls are pretty much useless in this team imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E17Comps11 13 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 A promo i made for the game: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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