Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I see Jose is punishing Dave again playing the full 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I see Jose is punishing Dave again playing the full 90There's no replacement though. Only other fullback is Aina? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I see Jose is punishing Dave again playing the full 90Punishing? By playing the 90 minutes, Azpi is one step closer to getting full match fitness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Punishing? By playing the 90 minutes, Azpi is one step closer to getting full match fitness.Dave is the last person on this squad that needs "match fitness." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Dave is the last person on this squad that needs "match fitness." That's really ignorant considering we just started our pre-season and the PSG clash was only our second match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 That's really ignorant considering we just started our pre-season and the PSG clash was only our second match."ignorant."Dave has the best stamina on this team. Only people that come close is willian and ramires. Nothing ignorant about that. While every other team is swapping out players, Dave, Terry and Ivan got the full 90 mins....In a preseason game..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 "ignorant."Dave has the best stamina on this team. Only people that come close is willian and ramires. Nothing ignorant about that. While every other team is swapping out players, Dave, Terry and Ivan got the full 90 mins....Edit: misread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 "ignorant."Dave has the best stamina on this team. Only people that come close is willian and ramires. Nothing ignorant about that. While every other team is swapping out players, Dave, Terry and Ivan got the full 90 mins....In a preseason game.....Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,712 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'll come off sounding "stupid" and "ignorant" with this post to some, and probably a hater who doesn't see what is really going on in the game, but... Azpi is overrated. This has been my general feeling since we got him. Sure, you can say he plays out of position or whatever, but he isn't good enough to play on his natural side, and the guy we have playing on that side hasn't been much better the last year. He offers absolutely nothing going forward, is terrible at link ups, and honestly, at times, struggles to trap a ball if it isn't played perfectly to him. This isn't just based off last night like I said, but actually on his entire time here. Yes, he has had good games, but he isn't cut out for starting every week. He simply isn't good enough on both sides of the ball. I can't believe we didn't use Luis when he was here... Give him a few games to get accustomed to the team and we would be mint right now. Frees up Hazard so much, and gets great swinging balls in, etc.Gets too much praise for shutting down his wing... of course he does, he doesn't move out of defensive position, since he knows he can't help out... Our LB and RB pairing are two of the biggest things holding us back... They are both infuriating to watch at times. dimmas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'll come off sounding "stupid" and "ignorant" with this post to some, and probably a hater who doesn't see what is really going on in the game, but... Azpi is overrated. This has been my general feeling since we got him. Sure, you can say he plays out of position or whatever, but he isn't good enough to play on his natural side, and the guy we have playing on that side hasn't been much better the last year. He offers absolutely nothing going forward, is terrible at link ups, and honestly, at times, struggles to trap a ball if it isn't played perfectly to him. This isn't just based off last night like I said, but actually on his entire time here. Yes, he has had good games, but he isn't cut out for starting every week. He simply isn't good enough on both sides of the ball. I can't believe we didn't use Luis when he was here... Give him a few games to get accustomed to the team and we would be mint right now. Frees up Hazard so much, and gets great swinging balls in, etc.Gets too much praise for shutting down his wing... of course he does, he doesn't move out of defensive position, since he knows he can't help out... Our LB and RB pairing are two of the biggest things holding us back... They are both infuriating to watch at times. If anybody calls you stupid or ignorant for a well written and argumented post, they by all means they are the ones who are ignorant. That said, I disagree with you and I feel Azpi is our best fullback. As for offensive contribution, I don't judge him considering he's a right footed player playing a left back. But I do agree that our fullbacks alter our game, and we see a decent cross from them every 5 games which is more then awful and alarming. BlueLion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'll come off sounding "stupid" and "ignorant" with this post to some, and probably a hater who doesn't see what is really going on in the game, but... Azpi is overrated. This has been my general feeling since we got him. Sure, you can say he plays out of position or whatever, but he isn't good enough to play on his natural side, and the guy we have playing on that side hasn't been much better the last year. He offers absolutely nothing going forward, is terrible at link ups, and honestly, at times, struggles to trap a ball if it isn't played perfectly to him. This isn't just based off last night like I said, but actually on his entire time here. Yes, he has had good games, but he isn't cut out for starting every week. He simply isn't good enough on both sides of the ball. I can't believe we didn't use Luis when he was here... Give him a few games to get accustomed to the team and we would be mint right now. Frees up Hazard so much, and gets great swinging balls in, etc.Gets too much praise for shutting down his wing... of course he does, he doesn't move out of defensive position, since he knows he can't help out... Our LB and RB pairing are two of the biggest things holding us back... They are both infuriating to watch at times. I'd agree that going forward he offers very little, but even so, he has been known to put some crucial crosses in for us - Branna's winner against Villa came about through Dave's sheer persistence, for example. Don't forget he has serious shackles on. When he played for Marseilles, he used to maraud down the wing so often, because his stamina enabled him to get back. At Chelsea, he has to cover for JT's lack of pace and that fact that usually, when we're being hit on the counter-attack, he gets next to no help from Fabregas or Hazard. He makes up for that by being the best one-on-one defender we've had at Chelsea since Carvalho. I don't think Azpi will ever be as good as Ashley Cole was at his best, but let's remember Cole was the best LB of the last 20 years. That doesn't stop Azpi from being a fantastic defender.However that's just my opinion, I respect yours as you made some excellent points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Still wanting the day to arrive where he goes to RB and we look sharp and dangerous down both flanks. ZOS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He has no talent. He is a backup and nothing more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He's one of the best man markers for fullbacks, and his mental strength is very good. But he rarely tries to use his left-foot for some reason. So he always ends up passing the ball into Matic/fabregas instead of hazard. This limits the number of times hazard gets the ball to the barest minimum. He should also try running behind the defence after passing, instead of just standing there. When I was watching the game, I was complaining to my brother that he doesn't make forward runs and minutes later zouma came on and started attacking ferociously on the left like it should be. Maybe Mourinho tells him to not move so that he protects Terry's speed but we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 with a bit of luck , baba will be insanely good, forcing jose to choose between ivan and azpi, hopefully choosing azpi. partner terry with stones or zouma , and maybe he will be able to keep his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He was never a Dani Alves going forward, but he was perfectly capable going forward when he played on the right side. Could link up fine and would get involved in the build up oftentimes. On the left side, I agree, he's non existent going forward. Definitely hurts us. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 His taking one for the team playing as LB in Jose's system without sulking. Last season he was one of the best fullbacks in the world. His left foot isn't too bad either but of course would be a lot better in his natural RB position.I would say he should be the starting RB in front of Ivanovic next season. Yes he made two significant defensive errors in pre season but I think he will get stronger as the season starts with more competition with our new iminent LB signing.I rate Cesar very highly. Playing RB he would be the top 3 in the world for this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-boy 165 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 He rarely cross/pass with his left foot. Baba will push him more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtowle182 79 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 first time he has gotten beat for a goal in a competitive match in a long time iirc. nothing to worry about. no sense in attributing our whole team sucking on our lb.. chillerz and Adnane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not sucking on him, just pointing the obvious, that our defence might just lack balance with the level of Iva-Cahill lately and with Azpi on his left foot. He is really pacey and strong on duels, no reason he won't be good offensively on the right, and I'm pretty sure he would be even better defensively on his strong foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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