Oscar

[TrippingStep 336]

Doesn't it seem like a 4-3-3 is the best formation for our team and Oscar?

-----------Cech----------

Azpi---Ivanovic--Cahill---Cole

-------Luiz-----Ramires--------

-----------Oscar----------------

-----Hazard----Mata----------

--------------Ba-----------------

This seems like it would work for Oscar because he doesn't seem to be ultra composed when he is in the thick of defense like Mata or Hazard but he is above average, his work rate along with Ramires could make our midfield on of the strongest in the league, fits Hazard and Mata because both a better suited for a central role. Only problem would be width, can we trust Luiz to be tactically disciplined and fill in the spots left open by Ashley and Cesar bombing down the wings?

That's why we need a defensive midfielder and a central midfielder.

And Cavani next summer.

Oscar Hazar Mata are suited to a possession game where they would move, combine and mess-up the opposition, we need a striker good in the link-up, deviation and can hold-up the ball.

Besides that Oscar is good to come from behind and exploiting spaces that the creative players would create in the opposition team.

Add Cabaye that is quite good to hold-up the ball, in first time passing and in long balls and that would be a very good midfield.

----------Azpilicueta----------------Ivanovic------------Luiz or Cahill------------Cole--------------------

-------------------------------------------Capoue--------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------Oscar-----------------------------Cabaye-------------------------------------------

------------------Mata------------------------------------------------------Hazard------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------Cavani---------------------------------------------------------------

t

[Spike 12,049]

That's why we need a defensive midfielder and a central midfielder.

And Cavani next summer.

Oscar Hazar Mata are suited to a possession game where they would move, combine and mess-up the opposition, we need a striker good in the link-up, deviation and can hold-up the ball.

Besides that Oscar is good to come from behind and exploiting spaces that the creative players would create in the opposition team.

Add Cabaye that is quite good to hold-up the ball, in first time passing and in long balls and that would be a very good midfield.

----------Azpilicueta----------------Ivanovic------------Luiz or Cahill------------Cole--------------------

-------------------------------------------Capoue--------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------Oscar-----------------------------Cabaye-------------------------------------------

------------------Mata------------------------------------------------------Hazard------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------Cavani---------------------------------------------------------------

t

I'm not too sure about the tactics or the formation but the midfeild of Oscar, Capoue and Cabaye could be incredible.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

That was a shit game and so much wrong with it, won't draw any conclusion from that single game.

Agreed. People want to read too much into individual games. I'm not saying Oscar will be great in the pivot, he might not work out, but it's worth a shot. Not sure Oscar, Mata, and Hazard (how the hell did Mazacar or whatever become a nickname when "Omaha" fits?) will ever be able to play together well up front. Even Barcelona need one of their front-3 to provide width. It's just too imbalanced for my liking.

[bitee 12]

why is this guy from Finland not banned yet?

why not you

[Land 331]

why not you

Because all of my posts are not about how shit Oscar is.

[Blue Gino 377]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

Completely agree! It's the fucking 4231 which is defensive plague assailing most top clubs in the world, especially England. Like any other formation, you need the right players for it, but because everyone wants to play like Barca and Spain, they think 4231 is the "right" formation.

To me the definition of a good manager is to employ the better system, which includes the formation, for the players he's got. The fact that Benitez hasn't changed the system that much from RDM worries me.

BTW, is Oscar under any special bulking up schedule? Just wondering as it is a good time to do it.

[GermanBlue 82]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

Good thought, but I think you can't compare Serie A with the Premier League. Italian football is just way less physical and slower. I don't think Pirlo would be a success in the Premier League btw. But I think there's a difference. While Pirlo is an awesome passer with a wonderful vision, Oscar is more of dribbler than Pirlo is. Ofc, Oscar isn't better than him because of that, but Oscar is more complete than Pirlo, at least as a BPL player. IMO, his last weaker performances aren't a matter of his position, it's normal for a young talent, that he still has off days. He's just 21, remember that, we have to give him his time to develop.

Playing him at a deeper position has effects on the rest of the squad. He needs a physically strong partner in the pivot like Mikel. Ofc, his defensive workrate is great, he's coming back a lot, but to have a decent and reliable defensive midfield, he can't partner with for example Ramires and Lamps (but especially Ramires). And honestly, as a deeplying playmaker, he does lack the "defensive skills" right now. Pirlo might have no problem with that in Italy, but in the Premier League it's needed. Lampard is a decent deeplying playmaker right now, but Oscar isn't IMO, at least not right now. He'll still develop, just look at other targets like Moutinho who is even 8cm smaller, but is IMO one of the best deeplying playmakers around.

[Blue Gino 377]

Good thought, but I think you can't compare Serie A with the Premier League. Italian football is just way less physical and slower. I don't think Pirlo would be a success in the Premier League btw. But I think there's a difference. While Pirlo is an awesome passer with a wonderful vision, Oscar is more of dribbler than Pirlo is. Ofc, Oscar isn't better than him because of that, but Oscar is more complete than Pirlo, at least as a BPL player. IMO, his last weaker performances aren't a matter of his position, it's normal for a young talent, that he still has off days. He's just 21, remember that, we have to give him his time to develop.

Playing him at a deeper position has effects on the rest of the squad. He needs a physically strong partner in the pivot like Mikel. Ofc, his defensive workrate is great, he's coming back a lot, but to have a decent and reliable defensive midfield, he can't partner with for example Ramires and Lamps (but especially Ramires). And honestly, as a deeplying playmaker, he does lack the "defensive skills" right now. Pirlo might have no problem with that in Italy, but in the Premier League it's needed. Lampard is a decent deeplying playmaker right now, but Oscar isn't IMO, at least not right now. He'll still develop, just look at other targets like Moutinho who is even 8cm smaller, but is IMO one of the best deeplying playmakers around.

I agree and Oscar would be better suited away from a double pivot in this league but that's what has me freaking out a bit and not having patience because of the owner. Obviously Josh can't do the job in the pivot because he's even less physical so maybe I have to resign to Josh leaving eventually. I just don't understand the thinking behind the addition of Oscar when Mata is awesome as a CAM and Moses brings the needed width the attack needs.

[Blue Gino 377]

Sure a squad has to have depth but when they all view themselves as first choice starters, egos, agents and who's the manager will drive someone out eventually. I guess Roman thinks Pep will magically make a bunch of number 10's work but not in this league it won't.

[GermanBlue 82]

I don't see Mata or Oscars as big egos that are miffed when not played, more the opposite. I think when a player comes to a big club like Chelsea that plays in 4 competitions, he's actually happy to get a rest and is rotated from time to time, at least he's not angry. No one can expect to play all the time.

[bitee 12]

Because all of my posts are not about how shit Oscar is.

first of all all my posts are not on oscar and if i think oscar is not good yet i say it and if you are not glad it's the same for me:d

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Oscar was terribly poor when he came on. What has benitez done to you??

[Jase 43,479]

Oscar was terribly poor when he came on. What has benitez done to you??

Calm down. It was only the last 11 minutes. Could hardly affect the game much especially when we were already cruising.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Calm down. It was only the last 11 minutes. Could hardly affect the game much especially when we were already cruising.

He was loosing the ball a lot by his standards. But hopefully it was an off day.

[Land 331]

first of all all my posts are not on oscar and if i think oscar is not good yet i say it and if you are not glad it's the same for me:d

Yeah,ok some of your posts on the last pages

his matches in cl weren't good except this goal

you know nothing in football,he's not good enough that's all.against city again he was shit.why does he play for his national team. i don't understand.

only two goals hahahahah (1 by luck lol) otherwise he 's a simple player

magical performances lol only goals by luck and no skills (except one goal who was beautiful)

[Blueisthecolor 3]

Oscar is best playing closer to goal. He is a no 10, pure and simple, and needs to be played as such. At Inter he played right wing and left wing, and in the hole as an attacking midfielder. I don't know where some members got this idea that he will be best as a natural pivot, or that he will be moved deeper, or is some great pivot player. As an admirer of his football and for the sake of our national team I hope no idiot moves him to the pivot position and completely ruins him (more or less what happened to Anderson, although Oscar is a different, much better player).

He will be much better next season when he gets a chance to rest, he has been playing nonstop because of the Brazilian calender before he went to Chelsea, and all of the summer friendlies, olympic games, and packed fixture schedule at Chelsea (boxing day, CWC, etc.). Once he settles in more with his team mates, and plays in his preferred position, and has security behind him in the midfield he'll improve drastically.

[DDA 9,691]

Oscar is best playing closer to goal. He is a no 10, pure and simple, and needs to be played as such. At Inter he played right wing and left wing, and in the hole as an attacking midfielder. I don't know where some members got this idea that he will be best as a natural pivot, or that he will be moved deeper, or is some great pivot player. As an admirer of his football and for the sake of our national team I hope no idiot moves him to the pivot position and completely ruins him (more or less what happened to Anderson, although Oscar is a different, much better player).

He will be much better next season when he gets a chance to rest, he has been playing nonstop because of the Brazilian calender before he went to Chelsea, and all of the summer friendlies, olympic games, and packed fixture schedule at Chelsea (boxing day, CWC, etc.). Once he settles in more with his team mates, and plays in his preferred position, and has security behind him in the midfield he'll improve drastically.

You see a lot of people forget that he played nearly every game for Brazil in their Olympic Games run and it is starting to show in his performances. He is a young and exhuberant player who is in need of rest. His start to his Chelsea career was fantastic and we should expect to see a lot more of the same and better next season when he is fully intergrated with life at Chelsea. Soo many moaners expecting him to produce magic in every performance in his first season after such a busy schedule are just spoiled fans who should take this into consideration.