Stats 7,142 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Neither do i just look at stats, i look at performances and Coutinho last season was very inconsistent, and went missing in most games he played in. Jordan henderson managed to get 9 assists in the sunday league standard Liverpool team like you make them out to be, so trying to use Sturridge's absense and him playing with Balotelli as excuses is pretty ridiculous. And to use him getting in the TOTY a part of your argument is pretty weak, Coutinho in that team was what the football world laughed at, no one could understand how he got in the TOTY, and i personally never take the PFA TOTY seriousy after 09/10 when Lampard scored 22 goals and got 14 assists in 36 games and didnt even get in the TOTY, that sums up how credible the TOTY is, and also the fact that Azpi has been overlooked 2 seasons in a row.what do you mean once again i look at stats? please show me what stats i used regarding Sterling? he has not looked great so far at City, their passing game doesnt suit him at all, Kolarov's form has really helped him, but overall he has been far from impressive so far.where have i come across hypocritcal? i dont remember ignoring Costa's form for Spain at all, i dont just look at stats, and Costa's general play for Spain has been decent, they dont play to his strengths so he adapts his game with them and does a good job occupying the opposition CB's dropping off and getting involved in their passing game, as well as making some brilliant runs, even though they rarely play through balls to him. As for Coutinho he gets played in the same role for Brazil as he does for Liverpool, so he has no excuse of the team not playing to his strenghts, he simply looks out of his depth with better players around him.The excuses you make for Coutinho really do sum up how overrated he is.You really are too biased sometimes. You overrate a lot of our players and are dismissal of others. It is clear we are not going to agree on this point but you state to me that playing with Balo is a ridiculous point. No it is not. If he had Sturridge with him last season, it would have worked. Balo looked uninterested and of course when you play with average strikers it does not help. But your excuse for Costa is that they do not play to his strengths. Yeah, I agree but going 8 or 9 games and only scoring 1 against Luxembourg of all countries is poor. No excuses there. Stop making these excuses to suit your agenda then dismissing others. You can't even rate Coutinho as a good player which just shows how oblivious you are sometimes.I even saw you say Costa is more complete than Aguero and I don't know how you formed that conclusion since Aguero has everything. You also said the same about Benzema and while I am not saying Benzema is better you state Costa is more complete as a fact and it is not. Then the way you talk about Oscar, you would think he has been player of the season when in reality he has not been. He has been inconsistent. I think he will turn out to have a quality season when he gets fit but he needs to perform on a consistent basis. While I think Costa is an excellent striker, I don't think he is better than Aguero tbh.As for Sterling, he has been impressive for City. Pellegrini is happy with his form anyway. Like I said WBA he missed chances but his pace caused problems and all the others he has been very effective. He has not been average at all.Going to leave it at that because we are not going to agree with each other. dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Back midweek right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Back midweek right?Hopefully. He can't be worse than all these frauds we've been seeing Barbara, Blue Armour and Jase 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The best match we played so far he's featured - which was against the Swans. but seriously, we can't hope Oscar is going to solve it. First he isn't a fantastic player, he's very, very good imo (clearly) when in form, but he isn't the kind of player that turns a team around.Also we don't have a clue which form he will be when he comes back. But as said above, it's hard to be any worse than the ones playing now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 We sorely miss him right now. That says much more about our form than his true level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Drop Cesc for Oscar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Drop Cesc for OscarJust leave both out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Just leave both out...Oscar has no reason to be dropped. He played well vs Swansea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Oscar has no reason to be dropped. He played well vs Swansea.Yeah. In January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Yeah. In January.Pfffft. He'd be no worse than Cesc and Willian have been. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You really are too biased sometimes. You overrate a lot of our players and are dismissal of others. It is clear we are not going to agree on this point but you state to me that playing with Balo is a ridiculous point. No it is not. If he had Sturridge with him last season, it would have worked. Balo looked uninterested and of course when you play with average strikers it does not help. But your excuse for Costa is that they do not play to his strengths. Yeah, I agree but going 8 or 9 games and only scoring 1 against Luxembourg of all countries is poor. No excuses there. Stop making these excuses to suit your agenda then dismissing others. You can't even rate Coutinho as a good player which just shows how oblivious you are sometimes.I even saw you say Costa is more complete than Aguero and I don't know how you formed that conclusion since Aguero has everything. You also said the same about Benzema and while I am not saying Benzema is better you state Costa is more complete as a fact and it is not. Then the way you talk about Oscar, you would think he has been player of the season when in reality he has not been. He has been inconsistent. I think he will turn out to have a quality season when he gets fit but he needs to perform on a consistent basis. While I think Costa is an excellent striker, I don't think he is better than Aguero tbh.As for Sterling, he has been impressive for City. Pellegrini is happy with his form anyway. Like I said WBA he missed chances but his pace caused problems and all the others he has been very effective. He has not been average at all.Going to leave it at that because we are not going to agree with each other.if you read what I said I said that Jordan Henderson got 9 assists 4 more then Coutinho while playing with Balotelli and the rest of the truly dreadful Liverpool players like you make them out to be. If Henderson can get 9 assists while playing with players like Balotelli and Lambert why can't Coutinho? I have already said I think Coutinho, is a good player just not on Oscar's level.you think Coutinho is a superstar in the making then fine that's your opinion, but fact is he has not shown anywhere near enough quality consistently to suggest he will ever become a superstar and play for a top club, Robinho in his early days at Real Madrid showed more quality then Coutinho has and look how he turned out. Coutinho has to do a lot more and needs to make massive improvements to ever get a move to a big club. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 This might be incorrect, however, looking at Oscar's social media, he has rarely put any reference to Chelsea in a while.....I doubt Oscar runs his facebook page, however, I'm sure either his sister/wife or family member/agent does, fact he has no reference at all to Chelsea makes me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Oscar has no reason to be dropped. He played well vs Swansea.If you have watched us this season playing well is not a prerequisite for getting into the match day squad. iseah100 and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I know thibo's been out and red carded, etc. However, you really cannot disagree with the impact Oscar has on the team both going forward and defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 That influenced there decision, yeah but he has improved them. He is a permanent starter. I knew it before the season started that he was going to walk in their team. City are the best team in the league right now and they look complete but it is ironic that he would not have walked into ours or Arsenal's team. You made a point of saying he would struggle to get in to better teams. So I used Douglas Costa as an example who is not German and before the season started, many people would have said he is inferior to Coutinho and look he starts regularly for arguably the best team in the world. Believe me, you only have to look at the comments on Douglas Costa when he was linked with us to see what people thought of him.I don't look at goals and assists only. I look at general performance. Same reason why I value Willian. Coutinho was their best player by far last season. You are one of a few who think he is a average player and was poor last season. Look at what other pundits had to say of him. Lambert was an example of the type of players he was playing with. Sturridge could not keep fit, Suarez was gone, Balotelli is Balotelli and then they had the likes of Borini, LOL. Sterling and even Coutinho a couple times IIRC had to be used as a striker because the fellow strikers were so poor. If Coutinho was so poor for the majority of the season like you make out why was he in the team of the season? Even some of the choices may have been debatable I think it is obvious to see from that, that he had an excellent spell at some point last season. Was better than Oscar, that is for sure.Once again you look at goals and assists too much. Sterling has improved City a lot. You are just looking at stats. His movement and pace has allowed Silva to excel even more as he gets much more time on the ball. If they get too close to Silva, then Sterling is given more space to roam and vice versa they get too close to Sterling, Silva is given more space to roam in to. Sterling has a goal and assist to his name but he has been effective.Not brilliant. West Brom, he caused them all sort of problems but just did not score. Against us, caused Ivanovic problems after problems and against Everton I thought he was one of their best players. Against Watford, he was given MOTM. His injection of pace is a huge reason they are wiping teams off the floor so far.Coutinho has not even been given the same amount of time Oscar has been given for Brazil so that is not even fair. You are actually coming across hypocritical mate. You ignored Costa's international form and stated he was the second best striker in the world (not that I ridiculed your point as I believe he is in top 5) yet you use Coutinho's form for Brazil to say he is a bad player. Hypocrisy at it's best. Especially as Costa has had more starts than Coutinho for his country yet has only managed 1 goal and Spain have played some really average teams. So Costa's form at international is not great but that is excused however because Coutinho does not perform at international stage that makes him a bad player? Come on, that is really hypocritical.You look at general performance, but your id is STATs...The irony.Few posters including myself, already stated coutinho inconsistency last season, yet you are the only one to say he played consistently.... Pacquiao and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You look at general performance, but your id is STATs...The irony.Few posters including myself, already stated coutinho inconsistency last season, yet you are the only one to say he played consistently....Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL.JT? WOW....He also voted for Juan Mata. SO, that says a lot. and even the dailymail questioned his thinking and the fact neither Spainards make TOTY says a lot about english media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 JT? WOW....He also voted for Juan Mata. SO, that says a lot. and even the dailymail questioned his thinking and the fact neither Spainards make TOTY says a lot about english media.You said I am the only one. I disproved you and now you are changing the subject. Don't make bullshit claims and when I prove you wrong you change the subject. Point is I am not the only one who thought Coutinho had a good season like you first said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You said I am the only one. I disproved you and now you are changing the subject. Don't make bullshit claims and when I prove you wrong you change the subject. Point is I am not the only one who thought Coutinho had a good season like you first said.Few posters including myself= I guess John Terry posts on talkchelsea...Can i have his id? I want him to autograph my kitAlso, you really don't understand why JT picked Coutinho did you? "There’s no way Terry can seriously believe Coutinho has been better than De Gea and Kane this season! There is more to it than meets the eye," wrote Carragher in theDaily Mail."John, I am almost certain, will have gone around Chelsea’s dressing room when the ballot papers came in and told the squad under no circumstances should they vote for De Gea or Kane, who are Hazard’s biggest challengers."The Sky Sports pundit claims the reason he is aware of the tactics behind the voting for the award is that he was once involved in it himself. He added: "I did exactly the same thing in 2006 when Steven Gerrard won! I was Liverpool’s PFA representative back then and I made it clear that, for Stevie to win, nobody should vote for Thierry Henry or Frank Lampard!" Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Yet actual paid pundits and our OWN CAPTAIN voted Coutinho POTY. So, no I am not the only one.The irony. Think before you speak. LOL.LOL Terry voted Coutinho POTY because he knew Coutinho had no chance of winning it, it was a tactical vote JT was never going to vote for Sanchez, De Gea or Kane he had to vote for someone who was just there to make up the numbers. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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